NickG Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 If we are both in CCC next season who would fair better? Saints no money possibly financially stabilised by then probably much same squad no money for signings experience of this league squad would have finished on high if stay up Skates parachute payment huge debts poor home support possibly some money for signings demotivated squad following relegation surely lose -David James, Sol Campbell, Crouch, Glen Johnson -possibly others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 If we are both in CCC next season who would fair better? Saints no money possibly financially stabilised by then probably much same squad no money for signings experience of this league squad would have finished on high if stay up Skates parachute payment huge debts poor home support possibly some money for signings demotivated squad following relegation surely lose -David James, Sol Campbell, Crouch, Glen Johnson -possibly others Skate could offload another 30 million in players, we're scratching around for 30 bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 If we are both in CCC next season who would fair better? Saints no money possibly financially stabilised by then probably much same squad no money for signings experience of this league squad would have finished on high if stay up Skates parachute payment huge debts poor home support possibly some money for signings demotivated squad following relegation surely lose -David James, Sol Campbell, Crouch, Glen Johnson -possibly others Sorry Nick, I don't think I could cope with them coming down and whipping us...which even with the loss of those players you mention...they would do at the moment. I can't see our squad being the same next season - we're probably going to lose half the first team anyway...to be replaced with what??? Final Straws and all that...christ it doesn't bear thinking about... On the same subject though, we should take a leaf out of Bournemouth's book regarding how to get yourself out of this situation - shame is, by the time we wake up it will probably be too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 March, 2009 depends how much they need to pay off their debts - if they lose a whole first team and have to use any cash raised to pay debts they may not be strong. But at least they will be able to stage world cup finals in their stadium! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 It is all hypothetical and it is just as likely that if the Skates are relegated, so will we be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 What a daft question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 March, 2009 It is all hypothetical and it is just as likely that if the Skates are relegated, so will we be. yes it is -but so is most on here, its only bit of interest / fun -if you aren't interested move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 March, 2009 What a daft question. why cos about football? why do you feel the need to criticise everything? its a discussion forum - for chatting about football issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 why cos about football? why do you feel the need to criticise everything? its a discussion forum - for chatting about football issues. Not because the question is about football. Because the answer to the question is obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 March, 2009 why - I am sure of you were a fan of theirs, with their debt etc you would be talking about administration, all players leaving, owner cashing in on sales not re-investing etc and perhaps concerned about how portsmouth would do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 Firstly I think Pompey may survive. Secondly I think we will relegate... so what year does this question refer to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 March, 2009 Firstly I think Pompey may survive. Secondly I think we will relegate... so what year does this question refer to? think you may be right - but there are lots of threads on that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 think you may be right - but there are lots of threads on that! LOL fair point Nick! I think IF it happened Pompey would fair better and perhaps even promote immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 Skates, we're already sh*t, they have a couple of seasons to get down to our standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 Skates, we're already sh*t, they have a couple of seasons to get down to our standard. Ponty - you should stand for the fans parliament. Admin bloke with ounce of sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 As things stand, or even with a depleted P*mpey squad, them by a country mile sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 If the Skates did come down to our level and we managed to stay in this league by the skin of our teeth,then they would beat us easily with the team we have. Just think of the teams that have beaten us at SMS this season. Also as someone has already said,most of our first team wont be here next season anyway. Sad times indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 If we do end up playing them I can't see any of our players apart from maybe Davis, Euell and Perry being up for a derby day at Fratton. We'd get slaughtered with the likes of Surman, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Skacel and McGoldrick going missing when we need them most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 why cos about football? why do you feel the need to criticise everything? its a discussion forum - for chatting about football issues. Alpine cannot discuss a reasoned debate only criticise, he may have a few decent points sometimes but it's how he delivers it that annoys posters. As for who would fare better, pompey without a doubt. They may be in debt and will probably lose some players but they will have parachute payments and I'm sure they will have a lot stronger squad than us. We will be lucky if we are still in this league next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 If we do end up playing them I can't see any of our players apart from maybe Davis, Euell and Perry being up for a derby day at Fratton. We'd get slaughtered with the likes of Surman, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Skacel and McGoldrick going missing when we need them most. Do you think we will have most of those players next season should we survive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 Not because the question is about football. Because the answer to the question is obvious. Is it? What's the answer then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 If the Skates did come down to our level and we managed to stay in this league by the skin of our teeth,then they would beat us easily with the team we have. Just think of the teams that have beaten us at SMS this season. Also as someone has already said,most of our first team wont be here next season anyway. Sad times indeed. TBF we have done well at home against the better teams this season and we can assume pompey will be one of the better teams, however will we still be in this league next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 Do you think we will have most of those players next season should we survive? I'm not really bothered, most of them are over rated and ****e. I'd quite happily see Surman, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Skacel and McGoldrick all sold in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 Pompey have something like 14 players out of contract in the summer (including Kanu/Campbell/etc) - and will lose most of those whether they go down or not as their wage bill is simply too big for them to sustain they are also £40 million or more in debt still - so even if they stay up they'll have to sell players like Kranjkar and Crouch to raise money if they do go down they will lose nearly all of their current squad - so I'll think they will struggle in the CCC if it comes to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 I'm not really bothered, most of them are over rated and ****e. I'd quite happily see Surman, Lallana, Schneiderlin, Skacel and McGoldrick all sold in the summer. But we don't have anything better or could afford anything better. I think Lallana is played out of position, maybe we should try him behind the front two and drop McGoldrick. I think Surman has lost confidence but he has potential as does Schneiderlain. Skacel wants to go anyway so he will be gone in the summer but until then why don't we play him on the left of midfield, that's his best position imo and he proved it in our play off season with plenty of assists (8 along with Bale). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 Pompey wont get relegated sadly, their quality of player will shine through in the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 yes it is -but so is most on here, its only bit of interest / fun -if you aren't interested move on Congratulations on finding any excuse to have dig at Alpine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 March, 2009 Congratulations on finding any excuse to have dig at Alpine what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 Pompey would go through this league like a vindaloo IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 we have the 2nd worse team in the league, how could they not be better than us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 I know it's hypothetical but they will probably be two leagues above us next season. They would fair better as most other relegated teams have kept most of their team for at least two seasons, replacing leavers with quality and have shown ambition to get back into the top flight. If they are still in the CCC five seasons later, it might be more of a fair comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 21 March, 2009 Share Posted 21 March, 2009 What a f*cking ridiculous question, this cannot be serious, surely? We probably won't even fare that well in League One next season, let alone the CCC. p.s. I do assume you mean 'fare' rather than 'fair' (as stated) as if the latter it may well be the other way round of course (bigger fairground, less likely for the staff/punters to be robbed etc...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 March, 2009 Share Posted 21 March, 2009 (edited) I like to add statistics to these arguments, so here's the performance of every team that's been relegated from the Prem since 2000 (at least until they leave the CCC again, whether up or down). X indicates how many seasons since they came down before changing divisions again, P = Promoted, R=Relegated. 2007 Sheff U 9th. Charlton 12th. Watford 6th. 2006 Brum 2nd PX W Brom 4th, 1st PXX Sunderland 1st PX 2005 Palace 6th, 12th, 5th Norwich 9th, 16th, 17th, Saints 12th, 6th, 20th, 2004 Leic 15th, 16th, 19th, 22nd RXXXX Leeds 14th, 5th, 24 RXXX Wolves 9th, 7th, 5th, 7th. 2003 W Ham 4th, 6th PXX W Brom 2nd PX Sunderland 3rd, 1st PXX 2002 Ips 7th, 5th, 3rd, 15th, 14th, 8th. Derby 18th, 20th, 4th, 20th, 3rd PXXXXX Leic 2nd PX 2001 Man C 1st PX Cov 11th, 20th, 12th, 19th, 8th, 17th, 20th. Bradford 15th, 19th, 23rd RELXXX 2000 Wimb 8th, 9th, 10th, 24th RELXXXX Sheff Wed 17th, 20th, 22nd RELXXX Watford 9th, 14th, 13th, 16th, 18th, 3rd PXXXXXX Simple fact is that of the last 12 teams to be relegated from the Prem, only 3 (all in 2006) have gone back up - two at the first attempt and one at the second. And whilst 3 went back up, 2 of the teams relegated since 2004 went down into League One. If we go back another year though, all 3 of the 2002/3 season Prem relegated sides bounced back within 2 years. Overall : 24 Prem teams relegated since 2000 (not inc 2008/9 teams as the following season isn't finished) 10 have been promoted back up to the Prem (Derby and Watford being the only teams to take more than 2 seasons to do so) 5 have been relegated further (only Sheff Wed have come back so far). 9 are still in the CCC. Spin it how you like... Edited 21 March, 2009 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 March, 2009 Share Posted 21 March, 2009 Oh, and I don't want to worry anyone, but you can also see that all of the teams who've come down from the Prem and been relegated further were relegated in their 3rd or 4th season after the relegation. (Leicester 4 years, Leeds 3, Bradford 3, Wimbledon 4, Sheff Wed 3). We're in season 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 21 March, 2009 Share Posted 21 March, 2009 Congratulations on finding any excuse to have dig at Alpine Well, in fairness I did point out that his question was stupid. Not surprised by the reaction. But then, NickG does seem to be one of that ever-diminishing group of fans who think somehow the CCC League Table is lying about the state of SFC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickyhale Posted 21 March, 2009 Share Posted 21 March, 2009 What a stupid point less forum We may even drop a division I think you are sat there with you di-k in you hand a pot of Vaseline,waiting for a reply Think you need to get out more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 21 March, 2009 Share Posted 21 March, 2009 Skate could offload another 30 million in players, we're scratching around for 30 bob. Hmmmm... You say that but I'd heard that at least 10 players were out of contract at the end of the year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 21 March, 2009 Share Posted 21 March, 2009 Well, in fairness I did point out that his question was stupid. Not surprised by the reaction. But then, NickG does seem to be one of that ever-diminishing group of fans who think somehow the CCC League Table is lying about the state of SFC... What's this got to do with the title of the thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 21 March, 2009 Share Posted 21 March, 2009 What's this got to do with the title of the thread? THE daftest question EVER posted on this site... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 March, 2009 Share Posted 21 March, 2009 Hmmmm... You say that but I'd heard that at least 10 players were out of contract at the end of the year... That's as maybe but players like Crouch,Belhadj and Krancjar aren't (well I think not anyway) and their sale would soon get the cash register jingling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 21 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 March, 2009 Well, in fairness I did point out that his question was stupid. Not surprised by the reaction. But then, NickG does seem to be one of that ever-diminishing group of fans who think somehow the CCC League Table is lying about the state of SFC... post is meant to be bit of interest/fun to those who want to talk about it, ignored if not - not every post has to be insulting/negative. As for your second paragraph you are just, once again, making things up to play to your pantomime villain image. Please try not turn every thread into arguments for the sake of it. and it was you questioning why the forum has got quieter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 21 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 March, 2009 THE daftest question EVER posted on this site... majority of other posters managed to express a football opinion without insulting - there are many threads on here that don't interest me or I think are irrelevant - guess what I don't post on them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 21 March, 2009 Share Posted 21 March, 2009 majority of other posters managed to express a football opinion without insulting - there are many threads on here that don't interest me or I think are irrelevant - guess what I don't post on them! Oooh oooh I like a quiz. I guess you don't post anything worth reading on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 21 March, 2009 Share Posted 21 March, 2009 THE daftest question EVER posted on this site... Ever tried contributing to a thread instead of your constant insults and quite brainless responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 21 March, 2009 Share Posted 21 March, 2009 neither of us will be in the championship next season :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 21 March, 2009 Share Posted 21 March, 2009 neither of us will be in the championship next season :-( Nope. We'll be in the third division and the Skates will survive in the Premiership. Why not let's have a nice bit of fun predicting whether we can manage a higher position in the third than they can in the first, next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 21 March, 2009 Share Posted 21 March, 2009 Nope. We'll be in the third division and the Skates will survive in the Premiership. Why not let's have a nice bit of fun predicting whether we can manage a higher position in the third than they can in the first, next season. Can find any source of fun in that, all too much of a depressing thought:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 21 March, 2009 Share Posted 21 March, 2009 [/b] Can find any source of fun in that, all too much of a depressing thought:( I was just quoting along similar lines to Nick's post:- "post is meant to be bit of interest/fun to those who want to talk about it," Personally, I'm consoling myself with the optimistic thought that the probability is that Lowe, Wilde and all the other charlatans will be gone when we go down, so there is a silver lining to console me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 21 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 March, 2009 Nope. We'll be in the third division and the Skates will survive in the Premiership. Why not let's have a nice bit of fun predicting whether we can manage a higher position in the third than they can in the first, next season. ok, reckon we would be top half and them bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 21 March, 2009 Share Posted 21 March, 2009 Oh Crouchie Crouchie... used to be a skate but he's... oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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