Guided Missile Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 To put that figure in perspective, it is less than the amount that was spent by the Wilde regime on Termination Payments (£560K) in the 2006 accounts (ie to get rid of Lowe and Cowen). It is also less than the amount that was spent by the Wilde /Lowe regime for the Compensation for loss of office (£600K) in the 2008 accounts (ie to get rid of Hoos, Dulieu, Hone and Oldknow). Now, excuse me for dredging this up, but am I the only one to think that the current state of affairs is sad enough, but for Crouch and the Saints Trust to come out and ask the cash strapped fans to raise £500K to allow the club to keep going, my first response would be to tell them to go and take a jump off Dock Head. My second response would be that as both of them were partly responsible for inviting that incompetent scouser Wilde on board, who managed to reward TWO sets of Directors to the tune of £1.1M, maybe, just maybe, the first phone call would be to some of those failed directors, to ask if maybe they could post a cheque to the club, in the sum of one half of their generous and tax-free payoffs. Actually, forget it. The situation at Saints has got to the stage where it is so ridiculous that the only way I can cope, is to view it as a situation akin to Woolworth's. After Woolworth's administration, I might have popped in to the Woolston branch with the rest of the crowds to bask in the nostalgia of the pick and mix, but if a bloke with a bucket outside the shop had asked me for a few bob to keep it going, I would have laughed in his face. This time I think I'll do the same as I do, with the Big Issue sellers in London and tell him, "Mate, I already f****** donated....big time" (PS I know I bang on about fans not being consumers, but, really, I've changed my view and am fresh out of goodwill) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 My second response would be that as both of them were partly responsible for inviting that incompetent scouser Wilde on board, who managed to reward TWO sets of Directors to the tune of £1.1M John would you like to tell me how the Saints Trust invited WIlde on board? He was going to come on board whether the ST liked it or not. As for rewarding TWO sets of directors severence pay, come on! It was in their contracts and you know as well as I do, when you reach that level of management it is part of the course even if you **** up! What is wrong is that we paid off one set who then came back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guided Missile Posted 13 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 April, 2009 (edited) John would you like to tell me how the Saints Trust invited WIlde on board? He was going to come on board whether the ST liked it or not. As for rewarding TWO sets of directors severence pay, come on! It was in their contracts and you know as well as I do, when you reach that level of management it is part of the course even if you **** up! Actually, the ST and it's members liked Wilde a lot. So much so that they rolled over and let him tickle Steve Godwin's tummy with the promise of a fan on board. I'm not saying that Wilde and his mentors, Crouch and the Saints Trust, didn't, by their lack of objectivity and background checks, help place the club in a contractual position that required expensive termination payments. What I am saying is that maybe they should send the bucket collectors round to the former Directors houses that benefited to the tune of over £1M, just for being bad at their jobs. Dulieu's position, FFS, was not even supposed to be one which attracted a salary in the manifesto of Chairman Wilde, but I bet this permatanned, ex-copper must have made a far sight more out of Southampton Football Club, just for being sh! te at his job, than a lot of staff at the club have in 10 years. I can see the guy now, using the money to improve his golf game in Portugal, while fans are shaking buckets outside St Mary's.... Edited 13 April, 2009 by Guided Missile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John B Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 John would you like to tell me how the Saints Trust invited WIlde on board? He was going to come on board whether the ST liked it or not. As for rewarding TWO sets of directors severence pay, come on! It was in their contracts and you know as well as I do, when you reach that level of management it is part of the course even if you **** up! What is wrong is that we paid off one set who then came back If Lowe had not gone the first time we would not be in Administration as we would have saved a £1000000 Is that right? So getting rid of Lowe got us into Administration it appears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rover Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 .... Actually, forget it. The situation at Saints has got to the stage where it is so ridiculous that the only way I can cope, is to view it as a situation akin to Woolworth's. After Woolworth's administration, I might have popped in to the Woolston branch with the rest of the crowds to bask in the nostalgia of the pick and mix, but if a bloke with a bucket outside the shop had asked me for a few bob to keep it going, I would have laughed in his face. This time I think I'll do the same as I do, with the Big Issue sellers in London and tell him, "Mate, I already f****** donated....big time" (PS I know I bang on about fans not being consumers, but, really, I've changed my view and am fresh out of goodwill) Good post GM. I'm not convinced that any more is needed to get us to the end of the season. Mr Fry hasn't suggested that we do. If Barclays want their money back, let them fund the club until a buyer is found. Let some of the overpaid wanabees on the pitch wait for their pay. I can't believe that we won't have new owners very shortly who may or may not care about the fans. If none of the consortia come up with the funds we're going to be stuffed anyway. The club is not a charity and I'm not planning on donating any of my holiday savings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 It doesnt matter who got us into this mess, we are left trying to find a way out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 If Lowe had not gone the first time we would not be in Administration as we would have saved a £1000000 Is that right? So getting rid of Lowe got us into Administration it appears Well, bringing him back certainly did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Actually, the ST and it's members liked Wilde a lot. So much so that they rolled over and let him tickle Steve Godwin's tummy with the promise of a fan on board. I'm not saying that Wilde and his mentors, Crouch and the Saints Trust, didn't, by their lack of objectivity and background checks, help place the club in a contractual position that required expensive termination payments. What I am saying is that maybe they should send the bucket collectors round to the former Directors houses that benefited to the tune of over £1M, just for being bad at their jobs. Dulieu's position, FFS, was not even supposed to be one which attracted a salary in the manifesto of Chairman Wilde, but I bet this permatanned, ex-copper must have made a far sight more out of Southampton Football Club, just for being sh! te at his job, than a lot of staff at the club have in 10 years. I can see the guy now, using the money to improve his golf game in Portugal, while fans are shaking buckets outside St Mary's.... How ironic would it be if Dulieu would be involved in the 'forensic accounting procedure' that the FL have requested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 This and this... yes ok thats the 2 annual reports but where does it say that we need £500k to keep going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 If Lowe had not gone the first time we would not be in Administration as we would have saved a £1000000 Is that right? So getting rid of Lowe got us into Administration it appears No. Poor management of the business by numerous individuals over the last 7 years has done that. Lowe returning with his fantastic 'revolutionary coaching structure' hastened our demise. Any business cannot afford to alienate 5,000 'consumers' and expect to survive if you are already struggling financially. It's as simple as that. Also, Lowe and Cowen could have re-invested their severance payments to keep the club alive until the end of the season...or delay their salaries as Euell and Davis have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Good post GM. I'm not convinced that any more is needed to get us to the end of the season. Mr Fry hasn't suggested that we do. If Barclays want their money back, let them fund the club until a buyer is found. Let some of the overpaid wanabees on the pitch wait for their pay. I can't believe that we won't have new owners very shortly who may or may not care about the fans. If none of the consortia come up with the funds we're going to be stuffed anyway.The club is not a charity and I'm not planning on donating any of my holiday savings. not seen one logical reason why this is wrong and anyone should give a penny. Even if £500,000 figure is true then if a buyer is keen enough I am sure they will sort it in time, if they are not why throw the money away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 No. Poor management of the business by numerous individuals over the last 7 years has done that. Lowe returning with his fantastic 'revolutionary coaching structure' hastened our demise. Any business cannot afford to alienate 5,000 'consumers' and expect to survive if you are already struggling financially. It's as simple as that. Also, Lowe and Cowen could have re-invested their severance payments to keep the club alive until the end of the season...or delay their salaries as Euell and Davis have done. I know I what you are saying but it could be said that if Lowe never went we would not have had to pay out £1,000,000 and had lots of youngsters playing. I was only be simplistic not realistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 13 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 April, 2009 yes ok thats the 2 annual reports but where does it say that we need £500k to keep going? This does.. You're not a teacher, by any chance, are you Mike? It feels like you're marking a homework assignment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 This does.. You're not a teacher, by any chance, are you Mike? It feels like you're marking a homework assignment...If we need 500k to keep us going for the next few weeks how will ever get through the close season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Lowe will give us a handout..I am sure....Mr Lowe what have you done to this great club. Fan my ass. Never put his hand in his pocket for Saints in his life so fat chance now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Actually, the ST and it's members liked Wilde a lot. So much so that they rolled over and let him tickle Steve Godwin's tummy with the promise of a fan on board. I'm not saying that Wilde and his mentors, Crouch and the Saints Trust, didn't, by their lack of objectivity and background checks, help place the club in a contractual position that required expensive termination payments. What I am saying is that maybe they should send the bucket collectors round to the former Directors houses that benefited to the tune of over £1M, just for being bad at their jobs. Dulieu's position, FFS, was not even supposed to be one which attracted a salary in the manifesto of Chairman Wilde, but I bet this permatanned, ex-copper must have made a far sight more out of Southampton Football Club, just for being sh! te at his job, than a lot of staff at the club have in 10 years. I can see the guy now, using the money to improve his golf game in Portugal, while fans are shaking buckets outside St Mary's.... AND Lowe then gets into bed with dear old Michael so they can screw the club again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Lowe will give us a handout..I am sure....Mr Lowe what have you done to this great club. Fan my ass. Never put his hand in his pocket for Saints in his life so fat chance now. When are the point scoring going to stop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 When are the point scoring going to stop? Just look at you big girls everyone but Lowe...unite my ass with luvvies likyou and your mate missile..everyone but Lowe..:smt086 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Just look at you big girls everyone but Lowe...unite my ass with luvvies likyou and your mate missile..everyone but Lowe..:smt086 You really dont know the truth of it OSM.Nobody can try and see another point without being a Lowe luvvie, not very bright is it, if you really believe that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 You really dont know the truth of it OSM.Nobody can try and see another point without being a Lowe luvvie, not very bright is it, if you really believe that nick I am sorry You luvvies are not big girls and I withdraw that remark. yOUR STILL A LUVVIE THOUGH:cool: gm WITH HIS FRED IS NOT POINT SCORING AND YOU MAKE NO MENTION OF ALL THE BLAME JOHN GIVES TO OTHERS BUT NOT DEAR OLD rUPERT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 When are the point scoring going to stop? When people like you stop defending the indefensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 gm WITH HIS FRED IS NOT POINT SCORING AND YOU MAKE NO MENTION OF ALL THE BLAME JOHN GIVES TO OTHERS BUT NOT DEAR OLD rUPERT. But this thread isn't really about the blame game as such, it's about SOME of the people responsible for our current situation putting the begging bowl out. I appreciate that Crouch is one of the £1000 plus gang mention on the OS recently, so we don't know how much he has put in. I share GM's attitude to the begging bowl. I thought the best way to support the club was to buy a ticket for Charlton and spend a large amount of cash in the Megastore on merchandise that I didn't really want. It's not about being Luvvies any more, it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 spend a large amount of cash in the Megastore on merchandise that I didn't really want. Not those god awful Saints Curtains I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 But this thread isn't really about the blame game as such, it's about SOME of the people responsible for our current situation putting the begging bowl out. I appreciate that Crouch is one of the £1000 plus gang mention on the OS recently, so we don't know how much he has put in. I share GM's attitude to the begging bowl. I thought the best way to support the club was to buy a ticket for Charlton and spend a large amount of cash in the Megastore on merchandise that I didn't really want. It's not about being Luvvies any more, it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond that. At least Crouch and Co are having a go but Rupert will not help in any way.. Rupert is still on his world tour of radio and media outlets on Damage limitation and the blame game...Now that is point scoring and supported by some on here....I have read GM posts again and supported by others ..definitely looks like point scoring to me. I would rather see the likes of Crouch having a go than a person who takes the money and runs offfering no support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Not those god awful Saints Curtains I hope. What's wrong with them? They look great in our bedroom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 At least Crouch and Co are having a go but Rupert will not help in any way.. Rupert is still on his world tour of radio and media outlets on Damage limitation and the blame game...Now that is point scoring and supported by some on here....I have read GM posts again and supported by others ..definitely looks like point scoring to me. I would rather see the likes of Crouch having a go than a person who takes the money and runs offfering no support. Well you can only assume that he won't help in any way. Would people castigate him any less if he did put any cash in? Answer no!, whatever he did it wouldn't be enough. If he didn't you can't really blame him can you? Had nothing torrents of abuse during the last few years (irrespective of whether it was deserved or not), the majority of fans didn't want him here and made that abundantly clear, so I don't think you can have it all ways. You all wanted him out of the club, he's gone, you got your wish and yet you still criticise him for not doing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Well you can only assume that he won't help in any way. Would people castigate him any less if he did put any cash in? Answer no!, whatever he did it wouldn't be enough. If he didn't you can't really blame him can you? Had nothing torrents of abuse during the last few years (irrespective of whether it was deserved or not), the majority of fans didn't want him here and made that abundantly clear, so I don't think you can have it all ways. You all wanted him out of the club, he's gone, you got your wish and yet you still criticise him for not doing more. Not even a little parting gesture;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 But this thread isn't really about the blame game as such, it's about SOME of the people responsible for our current situation putting the begging bowl out. I appreciate that Crouch is one of the £1000 plus gang mention on the OS recently, so we don't know how much he has put in. I share GM's attitude to the begging bowl. I thought the best way to support the club was to buy a ticket for Charlton and spend a large amount of cash in the Megastore on merchandise that I didn't really want. It's not about being Luvvies any more, it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond that. £50,000 I believe is the sum Crouch has put in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 But this thread isn't really about the blame game as such, it's about SOME of the people responsible for our current situation putting the begging bowl out. I appreciate that Crouch is one of the £1000 plus gang mention on the OS recently, so we don't know how much he has put in. I share GM's attitude to the begging bowl. I thought the best way to support the club was to buy a ticket for Charlton and spend a large amount of cash in the Megastore on merchandise that I didn't really want. It's not about being Luvvies any more, it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond that. Amazing that it is "waaaaaaaaaaaaay" beyond luvviness when the luvvies decide it is. This was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond a f**king joke when we came within 20mins of relegation last season. Still, Lowe got rid of a recognised manager and most of the decent players. This season was only ever going to go down one way, and it has. I hope the Luvvies are satisfied... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 not seen one logical reason why this is wrong and anyone should give a penny. Even if £500,000 figure is true then if a buyer is keen enough I am sure they will sort it in time, if they are not why throw the money away Living over here in this crazy dog eat dog land, you learn very early on not to trust anyone and to be as sceptical as hell about everything anybody does or says... Mark Fry saud we needed some cash to keep going, but my scpeticism keeps harking back to why Barlcays wouldn't think it was a good idea to give time for the bidders to get their act together. And the only assumption I can come back with is that "somebody's" consortium don't have enough in THEIR bucket to do the deal IF Barclays take on that extra 500k.. I really hope it isn't true but I still think there'll be more dirt to come out in the wash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rover Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Living over here in this crazy dog eat dog land, you learn very early on not to trust anyone and to be as sceptical as hell about everything anybody does or says... Mark Fry saud we needed some cash to keep going, but my scpeticism keeps harking back to why Barlcays wouldn't think it was a good idea to give time for the bidders to get their act together. And the only assumption I can come back with is that "somebody's" consortium don't have enough in THEIR bucket to do the deal IF Barclays take on that extra 500k.. I really hope it isn't true but I still think there'll be more dirt to come out in the wash. Yes - IF as has been said, Barclays had bounced some Saints cheques under the Lowe regime, How is it possible that we are continuing to trade unless Barclays have given a facility to the Administrator (knowing that they will get some money back when a deal is done)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Yes - IF as has been said, Barclays had bounced some Saints cheques under the Lowe regime, How is it possible that we are continuing to trade unless Barclays have given a facility to the Administrator (knowing that they will get some money back when a deal is done)? We probably just aren't paying many people.The players and staff have been paid up till the end of march, no rush to pay anyone else,that's why we're in administration, I mean no-one is going to give us a slate are they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambsaint Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 How much did we get for the live disaster against Wolves, or have we p####d tha away already? I personally don't really approve of asking for donations from those who may not be able to afford it unless a great deal more information was forthcoming. Unfortunately I am committed to keeping the village cricket club going; we need a new pavillion, a new roller, sight screens- the lsit goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Actually, the ST and it's members liked Wilde a lot. So much so that they rolled over and let him tickle Steve Godwin's tummy with the promise of a fan on board. Lol, true and true. Tickle tickle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 To put that figure in perspective, it is less than the amount that was spent by the Wilde regime on Termination Payments (£560K) in the 2006 accounts (ie to get rid of Lowe and Cowen). It is also less than the amount that was spent by the Wilde /Lowe regime for the Compensation for loss of office (£600K) in the 2008 accounts (ie to get rid of Hoos, Dulieu, Hone and Oldknow). Now, excuse me for dredging this up, but am I the only one to think that the current state of affairs is sad enough, but for Crouch and the Saints Trust to come out and ask the cash strapped fans to raise £500K to allow the club to keep going, my first response would be to tell them to go and take a jump off Dock Head. My second response would be that as both of them were partly responsible for inviting that incompetent scouser Wilde on board, who managed to reward TWO sets of Directors to the tune of £1.1M, maybe, just maybe, the first phone call would be to some of those failed directors, to ask if maybe they could post a cheque to the club, in the sum of one half of their generous and tax-free payoffs. Actually, forget it. The situation at Saints has got to the stage where it is so ridiculous that the only way I can cope, is to view it as a situation akin to Woolworth's. After Woolworth's administration, I might have popped in to the Woolston branch with the rest of the crowds to bask in the nostalgia of the pick and mix, but if a bloke with a bucket outside the shop had asked me for a few bob to keep it going, I would have laughed in his face. This time I think I'll do the same as I do, with the Big Issue sellers in London and tell him, "Mate, I already f****** donated....big time" (PS I know I bang on about fans not being consumers, but, really, I've changed my view and am fresh out of goodwill) Using the same notion as you have done can Rupert Lowe and cronies write out a cheque for £120 million+ in lost revenue due to their incompetent running and creating relegation in 2005 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Amazing that it is "waaaaaaaaaaaaay" beyond luvviness when the luvvies decide it is. This was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond a f**king joke when we came within 20mins of relegation last season. Still, Lowe got rid of a recognised manager and most of the decent players. This season was only ever going to go down one way, and it has. I hope the Luvvies are satisfied... Don't be a d!ck Alpine. I haven't decided that it's way beyond Luvvies etc and therefore that is final, it's just that in my opinion all this blame culture is a waste of time as we are where we are and now need to stop bickering and get behind the club. Okay, I may not be happy to put my hand in my pocket to fill a bucket, but I did spend a lot of dosh in the shop last week. People are entitled to make a valid point without being labelled one thing or another. I'm certainly not happy about this season, I wasn't happy at the appointment of the Dutch pair, nor the swingeing cuts that the team endured that left us playing a youth team week in week out. I think Sir Richard of Woolston will back me up that I voiced my displeasure before the start of the season too. The fact is that people wanted Lowe out, he has gone and now people are expecting that he should be baling the club out. If I had suffered the same abuse as Lowe I'd be telling people to shove it up their rear orifices. It's such a shame that you had to remind me why I rarely bother posting here any more, it's because small minded people do nothing but insult anyone with a differing view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Don't be a d!ck Alpine. I haven't decided that it's way beyond Luvvies etc and therefore that is final, it's just that in my opinion all this blame culture is a waste of time as we are where we are and now need to stop bickering and get behind the club. Okay, I may not be happy to put my hand in my pocket to fill a bucket, but I did spend a lot of dosh in the shop last week. People are entitled to make a valid point without being labelled one thing or another. I'm certainly not happy about this season, I wasn't happy at the appointment of the Dutch pair, nor the swingeing cuts that the team endured that left us playing a youth team week in week out. I think Sir Richard of Woolston will back me up that I voiced my displeasure before the start of the season too. The fact is that people wanted Lowe out, he has gone and now people are expecting that he should be baling the club out. If I had suffered the same abuse as Lowe I'd be telling people to shove it up their rear orifices. It's such a shame that you had to remind me why I rarely bother posting here any more, it's because small minded people do nothing but insult anyone with a differing view. i suppose the problem is rupert came back, surely the first time was when he should have told us to shove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 We have to accept that there might be self interest in some of the quotes made out there. It occurred to me why would LC say we need 500k to keep us going before the season ends? The revenue streams are still there and are buoyed by an increase in attendances. There are a lot of games going on in this battle to buy the club perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Don't be a d!ck Alpine. I haven't decided that it's way beyond Luvvies etc and therefore that is final, it's just that in my opinion all this blame culture is a waste of time as we are where we are and now need to stop bickering and get behind the club. Okay, I may not be happy to put my hand in my pocket to fill a bucket, but I did spend a lot of dosh in the shop last week. People are entitled to make a valid point without being labelled one thing or another. I'm certainly not happy about this season, I wasn't happy at the appointment of the Dutch pair, nor the swingeing cuts that the team endured that left us playing a youth team week in week out. I think Sir Richard of Woolston will back me up that I voiced my displeasure before the start of the season too. The fact is that people wanted Lowe out, he has gone and now people are expecting that he should be baling the club out. If I had suffered the same abuse as Lowe I'd be telling people to shove it up their rear orifices. It's such a shame that you had to remind me why I rarely bother posting here any more, it's because small minded people do nothing but insult anyone with a differing view. Utter bolllocks. Lowe has gone on record the last few weeks saying he loves the club and will "help out" if he can. Well, getting his name amongst the "£1000+ Club" would be a small start and a symbol, but lo-and-behold, the money flow between him and SFC is a one-way street, as we've always known, and "help" in Lowe's eyes is "control and dominate" in anyone elses... Interesting to note that the £500,000 being described as what is necessary to keep the club going to the end of the season is about the same as I've read from a few sources that Lowe and Cowen took away in severance payments first time around.... As for your "small minded" comment, can I remind you of your foot-stamping a few years back when the whole Wilde/EGM thing came along and threatened the privilledged ear that some of the regional fans clubs used to enjoy when Roopie held court ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 13 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Interesting to note that the £500,000 being described as what is necessary to keep the club going to the end of the season is about the same as I've read from a few sources that Lowe and Cowen took away in severance payments first time around.... Very interesting, Alpine. Where did you read this? I might want to use this fact in my next thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Utter bolllocks. Lowe has gone on record the last few weeks saying he loves the club and will "help out" if he can. Well, getting his name amongst the "£1000+ Club" would be a small start and a symbol, but lo-and-behold, the money flow between him and SFC is a one-way street, as we've always known, and "help" in Lowe's eyes is "control and dominate" in anyone elses... Interesting to note that the £500,000 being described as what is necessary to keep the club going to the end of the season is about the same as I've read from a few sources that Lowe and Cowen took away in severance payments first time around.... As for your "small minded" comment, can I remind you of your foot-stamping a few years back when the whole Wilde/EGM thing came along and threatened the privilledged ear that some of the regional fans clubs used to enjoy when Roopie held court ? Well of course it might just be that he's away somewhere. He hasn't said he won't dip his hand in his pocket, but I wouldn't blame him for not doing so. On the subject of the £500K, yes, I have heard that was the amount that L and C took with them, but similar amounts were paid to Hone and his crew, but of course they didn't come back. The sad fact is that paid execs are entitled to a pay off. Yes, you can remind me of my alleged foot stamping regarding the EGM business. What did I say that made such an impression upon you? I don't recall me posting anything vitriolic to anyone, I just posted my thoughts in response to people who posted theirs, but again, as I remember, the bullies on S4E got their way and those who didn't agree with anyone remotely anti Lowe stopped posting apart from a few who stuck to their principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 If Lowe had not gone the first time we would not be in Administration as we would have saved a £1000000 Is that right? So getting rid of Lowe got us into Administration it appears FFS Lowe out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Well of course it might just be that he's away somewhere. He hasn't said he won't dip his hand in his pocket, but I wouldn't blame him for not doing so. But Lowe Loves this club. Of course he will donate as he loves this club ... won't he????? The Observer featured him yesterday in their bit where they like to expose double standards // people going back on their word. I wonder why they picked on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 We have to accept that there might be self interest in some of the quotes made out there. It occurred to me why would LC say we need 500k to keep us going before the season ends? The revenue streams are still there and are buoyed by an increase in attendances. There are a lot of games going on in this battle to buy the club perhaps. I certainly wasn't impressed by the call to raise £500k by Crouch, but don't think there is anything underhand or surreptitious about it either. We may have the revenue streams and an increase in attendances, but IMHO we are still runnng at a loss and need to fund that loss and I think the call for this money was due to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 Not that it is their role necessarily but I am sure it is worth the council's while to lend 500K to SFC as a short term measure whilst other plans are made. If only to stave off a total crisis in the short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 What exactly happens to the club if we are unable to fulfill our fixtures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 What exactly happens to the club if we are unable to fulfill our fixtures? Banished from the football league presumably? I suppose it would have to rejoin the "pyramid" at an entry level league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 April, 2009 Share Posted 13 April, 2009 It's hard to argue with anything GM has said here, Lowe, Wilde, Crouch, Hoos and that tangerine coloured **** should cough up the 500k between them, they are all to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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