The Fat Controller Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 In the current economic climate what would we get ? These are probably the biggest financial assets to be sold off this summer my rough estimate - agree or disagree - some may be out of contract this summer anyway Stern John £200,000 Gregorz Rasiak £650,000 Marek Saganowski £600,000 David McGoldrick £1,300,000 Adam Lallana £1,650,000 Andy Surman £1,800,000 Kelvin Davies £1,400,000 LLoyd James £400,000 Rudi Skacel £650,000 Bradley W-Phillips £450,000 Morgan Schneiderlin £1,600,000 Total £ 10.7 million OK it's selling off the Crown Jewels but if it comes to simply choosing to do this to keep Saints in business i'd take it and see what happens with playing "experienced has beens" and "young never will be's" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulSaint Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 I reckon you are about £1.2M over with Schneiderlins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 You honesly think Schneiderlin is worth more than we paid for him? John, Davis, Skacel and BWP are all out of contract so will be worth nothing. Rasiak - 200k Saga - 300k McGoldrick - 500k Lallana - 200k Surman - 500k James - 200k Scheniderlin - 400k 2.3m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted 19 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 April, 2009 we also have Dyer to include for sale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 (edited) delete Edited 19 April, 2009 by beatlesaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 In the current economic climate what would we get ? These are probably the biggest financial assets to be sold off this summer my rough estimate - agree or disagree - some may be out of contract this summer anyway Stern John £200,000 Gregorz Rasiak £650,000 Marek Saganowski £600,000 David McGoldrick £1,300,000 Adam Lallana £1,650,000 Andy Surman £1,800,000 Kelvin Davies £1,400,000 LLoyd James £400,000 Rudi Skacel £650,000 Bradley W-Phillips £450,000 Morgan Schneiderlin £1,600,000 Total £ 10.7 million OK it's selling off the Crown Jewels but if it comes to simply choosing to do this to keep Saints in business i'd take it and see what happens with playing "experienced has beens" and "young never will be's" Sorry but i think you are way way off there. More like - Stern John out of contract Gregorz Rasiak £400,000 Marek Saganowski £400,000 David McGoldrick £ 600,000 Adam Lallana £ 600,000 Andy Surman £ 800,000 Kelvin Davies out of contract LLoyd James £250,000 Rudi Skacel out of contract Bradley W-Phillips out of contract Morgan Schneiderlin £ 600,000 and that is being generous to one or two. You have to bear in mind clubs will know we need to get rid, aside from which a fair few are out of contract so they can go for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 In the current economic climate what would we get ? Sweet FA And that's being generous.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 In the current economic climate what would we get ? These are probably the biggest financial assets to be sold off this summer my rough estimate - agree or disagree - some may be out of contract this summer anyway Stern John £200,000 Gregorz Rasiak £650,000 Marek Saganowski £600,000 David McGoldrick £1,300,000 Adam Lallana £1,650,000 Andy Surman £1,800,000 Kelvin Davies £1,400,000 LLoyd James £400,000 Rudi Skacel £650,000 Bradley W-Phillips £450,000 Morgan Schneiderlin £1,600,000 Total £ 10.7 million OK it's selling off the Crown Jewels but if it comes to simply choosing to do this to keep Saints in business i'd take it and see what happens with playing "experienced has beens" and "young never will be's" You're joking I hope. We wouldn't raise as much as we owe Barclay's if we sold the whole squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 It's the 'Crown Jewels' bit that made me chuckle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Sorry but i think you are way way off there. More like - Stern John out of contract Gregorz Rasiak £400,000 Marek Saganowski £400,000 David McGoldrick £ 600,000 Adam Lallana £ 600,000 Andy Surman £ 800,000 Kelvin Davies out of contract LLoyd James £250,000 Rudi Skacel out of contract Bradley W-Phillips out of contract Morgan Schneiderlin £ 600,000 and that is being generous to one or two. You have to bear in mind clubs will know we need to get rid, aside from which a fair few are out of contract so they can go for nothing. are you sure Skacel is out of contract? I don't think he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 are you sure Skacel is out of contract? I don't think he is. He says so himself in the Palace programme, think they must have renegotiated in the summer to shorten the contract and make the wage more managable for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 He says so himself in the Palace programme, think they must have renegotiated in the summer to shorten the contract and make the wage more managable for the club. Righto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 BWP is an interesting case, as he must be honest with himself and realise league 1 is probably his level at a striker. He could be a good player at that level, and he needs that now. Otherwise he'll carry on as a sub or poor performer in the CCC. For 2k a week maximum I'd like to keep him. Oh Christ ! The one consolation i was getting out of this was that i wouldnt have to watch BWP anymore. Possibly the most infuriating player i have ever seen in a Saints shirt, and I've seen a few. Possibly one of the unfittest too.......runs around for half an hour then is knackered for the rest of the game ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 I might be wrong, but I thought that Kelvin Davis, Stern John, Rudi Skacel and BWP were all out of contract at the end of the season, so we wouldn't get any fee for them should they leave. As for the rest of them, here's what I think . . . Rasiak - 500K Saganowski - 500K McGoldrick - 750K Lallana - £1m Surman - £1m James - 250K Schneiderlin - £1m Dyer - 500K You have to remember, clubs interested in any of our players know how bad our financial situation is, and so that works to their advantage. They would be able to offer less than normal, and we'd most probably be forced to accept their bid. McGoldrick may cause some interest after netting 13 goals so far this season. Having played a large majority of the season in midfield, that's not a bad achievement. Lallana clearly has potential, as does Surman, and so we might get near the million pound mark as there is bound to be more than one club interested. A potential mini-bidding war could push their price up somewhat. Same goes for Schneiderlin too. Whilst Lloyd James hasn't been our best player this season, he's done a decent job all things considered. This has been his first season in the first-team, and baring in mind he's naturally a midfielder, he's done pretty well at right-back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 In a normal market, I would say McGoldrick is worth £1,500,000 bare minimum. He's a much more impressive player than Best or Blackstock and both of those were worth around £750,000 I think? If we need the money desperately, then clearly we will probably have to undersell people. However, it's all academic to speculate on transfers really - until we get new owners there will be no activity. With any luck the new owners will have enough clout not to have to sell everyone. Who knows?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 until we get new owners there will be no activity. With any luck the new owners will have enough clout not to have to sell everyone. Who knows?! What makes you say that fella??? I would have thought if we make it to the opening of the transfer window on July 1st then I would have thought Mr Fry would be well up for a firesale. Although you could argue it would decimate the team and perhaps impinge on it selling it as a Going Concern, I think it will be a needs must exercise, with the argument being there are others left at the Club to from a team and of course the new owners could always bring in players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 In a normal market, I would say McGoldrick is worth £1,500,000 bare minimum. He's a much more impressive player than Best or Blackstock and both of those were worth around £750,000 I think? If we need the money desperately, then clearly we will probably have to undersell people. However, it's all academic to speculate on transfers really - until we get new owners there will be no activity. With any luck the new owners will have enough clout not to have to sell everyone. Who knows?! We got a tribunal 650K for best and 500K for Blackstock, roughly twice what we paid for them. I think, on reflection, that the Deano and Walcott affairs went to Rupert's head, he thought you could sell any old rubbish for silly money, hence the youth policy this season. Give Gobern a couple of games and con some bunch of mugs for 4 million for him must have been the theory of the affair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 In the current economic climate what would we get ? These are probably the biggest financial assets to be sold off this summer my rough estimate - agree or disagree - some may be out of contract this summer anyway Stern John £200,000 Gregorz Rasiak £650,000 Marek Saganowski £600,000 David McGoldrick £1,300,000 Adam Lallana £1,650,000 Andy Surman £1,800,000 Kelvin Davies £1,400,000 LLoyd James £400,000 Rudi Skacel £650,000 Bradley W-Phillips £450,000 Morgan Schneiderlin £1,600,000 Total £ 10.7 million OK it's selling off the Crown Jewels but if it comes to simply choosing to do this to keep Saints in business i'd take it and see what happens with playing "experienced has beens" and "young never will be's" I dont think any of them are worth more than £1m Take each figure and half it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Sweet FA And that's being generous.... Sorry you have under estimated by at least 50p....And you are probably right...We are both being generous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Morgan Schneiderlin £1,600,000 Schneiderlin - £1m A man with no goals, no assists in 25 odd games this season, with an injury record comparable to Darren Anderton, who tackles like a jellyfish and has won litterally 1 header all season!! He is worth £400k tops. Just because we were retarded enough to spend £1.2m on him, doesn't mean somebody else is going to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 In the current economic climate what would we get ? These are probably the biggest financial assets to be sold off this summer my rough estimate - agree or disagree - some may be out of contract this summer anyway Stern John £200,000 - Out of contract £0 . Gregorz Rasiak £650,000 - Has done very little at Watford , £450k ? Marek Saganowski £600,000 That would be top money for him given his record . David McGoldrick £1,300,000 More or less right I reckon . Adam Lallana £1,650,000 Very optimistic price , more like £1m Andy Surman £1,800,000 See above Kelvin Davies £1,400,000 Out of contract £0 LLoyd James £400,000 Possibly but likely to stay anyway . Rudi Skacel £650,000 Take the money and run ! - free or low value transfer to cut the wages . Bradley W-Phillips £450,000 Out of contract £0 Morgan Schneiderlin £1,600,000 Are you serious ? I'd take £600k from a French club . Total £ 10.7 million Total £4-£6m - give or take . OK it's selling off the Crown Jewels but if it comes to simply choosing to do this to keep Saints in business i'd take it and see what happens with playing "experienced has beens" and "young never will be's" Remember players that are out of contract have no transfer value -they're just released . It's going to be a buyers market this summer as clubs look to economise during the recession . None of our players have exactly covered themselves in glory this season & this will be reflected in their transfer value . So I'd say you've been a tad overoptimistic in your valuations , but I do like the positive thinking . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Sorry but i think you are way way off there. More like - Stern John out of contract Gregorz Rasiak £400,000 Marek Saganowski £400,000 David McGoldrick £ 600,000 Adam Lallana £ 600,000 Andy Surman £ 800,000 Kelvin Davies out of contract LLoyd James £250,000 Rudi Skacel out of contract Bradley W-Phillips out of contract Morgan Schneiderlin £ 600,000 and that is being generous to one or two. You have to bear in mind clubs will know we need to get rid, aside from which a fair few are out of contract so they can go for nothing. I think these are the most realistic values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 A man with no goals, no assists in 25 odd games this season, with an injury record comparable to Darren Anderton, who tackles like a jellyfish and has won litterally 1 header all season!! He is worth £400k tops. Just because we were retarded enough to spend £1.2m on him, doesn't mean somebody else is going to. Wotte he said.:smt086 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 (edited) Skacel has got a year to run - we'll either loan him out or let him go on a fee John - is out of contract in the summer Bialkowski is out on loan and out of contract in the summer - he's already gone! Gasmi is only on loan with us until the summer Rasiak has a year to go but has probably already been sold to Watford Smith is out of contract BWP is out of contract Saga has got a year to run - we'll loan him out or let him go on a free Davies will be gone for a minimal fee - probably to Ipswich we might get some money for Schneiderlin, Surman, Lallana and McGoldrick though Edited 19 April, 2009 by Rebel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 What makes you say that fella??? I would have thought if we make it to the opening of the transfer window on July 1st then I would have thought Mr Fry would be well up for a firesale. Although you could argue it would decimate the team and perhaps impinge on it selling it as a Going Concern, I think it will be a needs must exercise, with the argument being there are others left at the Club to from a team and of course the new owners could always bring in players. I agree with you. I was just under the impression that there was sod-all chance of getting to July 1st without having been taken over!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 (edited) Look - the administatror will accept any reasonable offers for any player. Just to help us survive in the short term. It's a classic buyer's market. These valuations being bandied about are nonsense. We need to accept where we are - in the sh1t, and every other club knows it. Edited 19 April, 2009 by Trader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigchrisy Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 I can't see us getting a fee over 500 k for Mcgoldrick, it's not like theres been reported interest and despite the goals some of his performances have still been below par Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 You're joking I hope. We wouldn't raise as much as we owe Barclay's if we sold the whole squad. Who owns the registrations and who owes the money to Barclays? This is where the distinction between the PLC and the club becomes important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fareham Saints Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Everyone valuing Mcgoldrick at 1.5M clearly were not at Sheffield on Sat, He was in my opinion the worst player on the pitch and did not care at all, almost everyone of his passes went to a man in blue and white strips, was shocking. I can’t imagine any club wanting him. He’s ****e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 You honesly think Schneiderlin is worth more than we paid for him? John, Davis, Skacel and BWP are all out of contract so will be worth nothing. Rasiak - 200k Saga - 300k McGoldrick - 500k Lallana - 200k Surman - 500k James - 200k Scheniderlin - 400k 2.3m How can you suggest that Lallana and Surman are worth only that. I can assure you that we have received offers totalling over £1.2million for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 If someone spends £1.5million on McGoldrick I will eat my computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 How can you suggest that Lallana and Surman are worth only that. I can assure you that we have received offers totalling over £1.2million for both. Because they are sh*t? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 I might be wrong, but I thought that Kelvin Davis, Stern John, Rudi Skacel and BWP were all out of contract at the end of the season, so we wouldn't get any fee for them should they leave. As for the rest of them, here's what I think . . . Rasiak - 500K Saganowski - 500K McGoldrick - 750K Lallana - £1m Surman - £1m James - 250K Schneiderlin - £1m Dyer - 500K You have to remember, clubs interested in any of our players know how bad our financial situation is, and so that works to their advantage. They would be able to offer less than normal, and we'd most probably be forced to accept their bid. McGoldrick may cause some interest after netting 13 goals so far this season. Having played a large majority of the season in midfield, that's not a bad achievement. Lallana clearly has potential, as does Surman, and so we might get near the million pound mark as there is bound to be more than one club interested. A potential mini-bidding war could push their price up somewhat. Same goes for Schneiderlin too. Whilst Lloyd James hasn't been our best player this season, he's done a decent job all things considered. This has been his first season in the first-team, and baring in mind he's naturally a midfielder, he's done pretty well at right-back. I'd say you've got it about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Because they are sh*t? You think everyone is sh!t Papa so everything you say I take with a pinch of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 You think everyone is sh!t Papa so everything you say I take with a pinch of salt. Everyone is sh*t. We're not second bottom because we have good players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 How can you suggest that Lallana and Surman are worth only that. I can assure you that we have received offers totalling over £1.2million for both. Not in the last couple of months. If we have we should have bitten their hands off. When you people realise that all other clubs know what trouble we are in and will pick the bones clean if they can. The vultures are circling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Not in the last couple of months. If we have we should have bitten their hands off. When you people realise that all other clubs know what trouble we are in and will pick the bones clean if they can. The vultures are circling. Of course but Lallana is worth far more than £200,000 and Surman is widely regarded as one of the better young midfielder's in the Championship. Can't people see that his confidence is low which is why is has struggled the last few months. It really isn't rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 But the prospective purchasers aren't exactly queuing up are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Of course but Lallana is worth far more than £200,000 and Surman is widely regarded as one of the better young midfielder's in the Championship. Can't people see that his confidence is low which is why is has struggled the last few months. It really isn't rocket science. Surman has been struggling for two years. The best midfielders in the Championship don't get dropped for the likes of Mario Licka, like Surman did last season. How often does Surman taken the game by the scruff of the neck and really influenced games for us? That's what the best players in this league do, Surman doesn't. He plays well every now and then, but for every good game there is about 5 or 6 bad games that follow. 2nd most overrated Saints player ever (Behind Prutton) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 All our players are ****, if they where half as good as they think they are we wouldn't be in the relegation zone. No amount of back heels, fancy flicks and u21 call ups are going to change my opinion. Surman, Lallana and Schneiderlin are all ****. We'd be lucky to get 1m for the three of those considering our position. I just hope we can find buyers for them so we can build for League One with proper players, those three would get the **** kicked out of them in L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 How can you suggest that Lallana and Surman are worth only that. I can assure you that we have received offers totalling over £1.2million for both. We should have took the 1.2m and run considering our financial position, now we're in admin you can at least half that fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 It's the 'Crown Jewels' bit that made me chuckle LOl... I love the wit on here sometimes.... The guy is obviousily in need of some kind of therapy! .... crown jewels..... ffs,,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Surman is widely regarded as one of the better young midfielder's in the Championship by people that have not seen him play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 All our players are ****, if they where half as good as they think they are we wouldn't be in the relegation zone. No amount of back heels, fancy flicks and u21 call ups are going to change my opinion. Surman, Lallana and Schneiderlin are all ****. We'd be lucky to get 1m for the three of those considering our position. I just hope we can find buyers for them so we can build for League One with proper players, those three would get the **** kicked out of them in L1. Exactly, why do people still think we are full of good players? The only person who has performed to acceptable level all season for me is Kelvin Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 if you took the whole squad to Bursledon next sunday morning I reckon by the end you would be happy to leave them there leant up against a bin. Stick Davis on Ebay, the rest can go in the three for a quid box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 (edited) Everyone valuing Mcgoldrick at 1.5M clearly were not at Sheffield on Sat, He was in my opinion the worst player on the pitch and did not care at all, almost everyone of his passes went to a man in blue and white strips, was shocking. I can’t imagine any club wanting him. He’s ****e. He looked like he was running through waist deep mud all day, never have a I scene a player second to the ball on so many occasions when it was at least 70-30 in his favour to win. His first touch also reminded me of Heskey, sadly his lack of commitment prevents him from matching the sliding tackle second touch! Edited 20 April, 2009 by a1ex2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 (edited) Stern John £200,000 Gregorz Rasiak £650,000 Marek Saganowski £500,000 David McGoldrick £300,000 Adam Lallana £550,000 Andy Surman £400,000 Kelvin Davies £600,000 LLoyd James £300,000 Rudi Skacel £550,000 Bradley W-Phillips £250,000 Morgan Schneiderlin £300,000 Total £ 3,835000 Edited 20 April, 2009 by slickmick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Surman has been struggling for two years. The best midfielders in the Championship don't get dropped for the likes of Mario Licka, like Surman did last season. How often does Surman taken the game by the scruff of the neck and really influenced games for us? That's what the best players in this league do, Surman doesn't. He plays well every now and then, but for every good game there is about 5 or 6 bad games that follow. 2nd most overrated Saints player ever (Behind Prutton) Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 He looked like he was running through waist deep mud all day, never have a I scene a player second to the ball on so many occasions when it was at least 70-30 in his favour to win. His first touch also reminded me of Heskey, sadly his lack of commitment prevents him from matching the sliding tackle second touch! It is very strange somebody on another thread said he was the best Saints Player. Beattie did not have a good first touch but like Heskey played for England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Totally agree. Agree totally What about Lallana too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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