Guided Missile Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 (edited) of an investor buying the club? Anyone with a passing interest in our club will have noticed how failure, or even class background, was punished by many fans. Some simply boycotted, on the basis that until Lowe left, they would stop going, even being encouraged by the prospect of administration making his departure more likely. We now have the same fans begging for a new owner to invest many millions in rescuing us and I have some sympathy for these potential investors, people like Gavyn Davies, thinking carefully about the consequences. Failure in how fans are treated, how succesfull the team is, whether the right manager is chosen may result in the same outcome. A disagreement about the running of the club and the same whining cry babies will go shopping instead of cheering the team on. A no win situation for someone like Mr. Davies, even if the club may be a good investment. The chance to become a hate figure and losing upwards of a £25M investment? No thanks... In the end, those fans will get the club they deserve...and it may be no club at all.... Edited 21 May, 2009 by Guided Missile Clarification... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 No, everyone knows we have the fanbase but not a very loyal one. I think any smart investor will know that we won't get 25k in League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 No. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 of an investor buying the club? Anyone with a passing interest in our club will have noticed how failure, or even class background, was punished by many fans. Some simply boycotted, on the basis that until Lowe left, they would stop going, even being encouraged by the prospect of administration making his departure more likely. We now have the same fans begging for a new owner to invest many millions in rescuing us and I have some sympathy for these potential investors, people like Gavyn Davies, thinking carefully about the consequences. Failure in how fans are treated, how succesfull the team is, whether the right manager is chosen may result in the same outcome. A disagreement about the running of the club and the same whining cry babies will go shopping instead of cheering the team on. A no win situation for someone like Mr. Davies, even if the club may be a good investment. The chance to become a hate figure and losing upwards of a £25M investment? No thanks... In the end, the fans will get the club they deserve...and it may be no club at all.... You're right, successful business people have been alerted to the fact that if they succeed in football club chairmanship no-one will thank them, and if they fail, everyone will blame them... You couldn't make this stuff up. Feck me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Man Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 LOL. I remember Dan Williams saying that GM had put him off investing in Saints due to his intrusion into his private life or words to that efect. That was a good thing of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 of an investor buying the club? Anyone with a passing interest in our club will have noticed how failure, or even class background, was punished by many fans. Some simply boycotted, on the basis that until Lowe left, they would stop going, even being encouraged by the prospect of administration making his departure more likely. We now have the same fans begging for a new owner to invest many millions in rescuing us and I have some sympathy for these potential investors, people like Gavyn Davies, thinking carefully about the consequences. Failure in how fans are treated, how succesfull the team is, whether the right manager is chosen may result in the same outcome. A disagreement about the running of the club and the same whining cry babies will go shopping instead of cheering the team on. A no win situation for someone like Mr. Davies, even if the club may be a good investment. The chance to become a hate figure and losing upwards of a £25M investment? No thanks... In the end, the fans will get the club they deserve...and it may be no club at all.... What a utter total rubbish. As for investors etc and talking about Davies losing investment. Maybe they dont want idiots like you going through companies house websit and downloading all their business accounts. That would put people off more than all the tripe you come out with eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Symptoms and causes spring to mind. Lowe and Wilde caused the situation and if they had an iota of common sense would have stayed away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 of an investor buying the club? Anyone with a passing interest in our club will have noticed how failure, or even class background, was punished by many fans. Some simply boycotted, on the basis that until Lowe left, they would stop going, even being encouraged by the prospect of administration making his departure more likely. We now have the same fans begging for a new owner to invest many millions in rescuing us and I have some sympathy for these potential investors, people like Gavyn Davies, thinking carefully about the consequences. Failure in how fans are treated, how succesfull the team is, whether the right manager is chosen may result in the same outcome. A disagreement about the running of the club and the same whining cry babies will go shopping instead of cheering the team on. A no win situation for someone like Mr. Davies, even if the club may be a good investment. The chance to become a hate figure and losing upwards of a £25M investment? No thanks... In the end, the fans will get the club they deserve...and it may be no club at all.... So where does that leave the 15k or so that did attend will they get the club they deserve? I love the constant threads that appear on here that attack the fans who didn't go yet disregard all those that did regardless of whether they supported Lowe or not! Why didn't Rupert ask gavyn for a loan as he is presumably the same class....as that seems important to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Im sure if any new investors treated their fan(sorry customer),base as badly as Lowe did,then they would get the same response. But if they tried their best to get the best team,set up and generally try to improve SFC,then the fans will be right behind them. Its not rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made in Southampton Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Total and utter Gash................ And quite frankly I cant even be arsed to explain why I think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 its an episode in the clubs history Id rather forget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Total and utter crap from GM........again. Many say we must move on, and you put this thread up.............you couldn't make this up..oops, GM can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 (edited) The people that have not turned up for the last two years at SMS played a part in administration, you could even say that if they didn't walk away then we wouldn't be in administration... that is almost 100% true. If the gates had been 5000 up in the last two seasons, then based on an average ticket of £20, we would have been pushing £5million in gate receipts, enough to make a massive dent in the overdraft and pay the mortgage. Add an average per person spend of £3 on food, that's an extra £700k , add to that say, another £1m in the megastore. Then chuck in another £1m or so Corporates and you are looking about £8m Then look at the sponsors, costing of sponsorship is all relative to how many people view it and is based on home attendances. So all in all, you could safely estimate that 5000 less fans equals nearly £10m in revenue over the last two years. BUT, you cannot blame the fans for not wanting to turn up, there is only a percentage of us, all for our own personal reasons, who turn up at SMS each week, regardless of performance. My excuse is it gives me a release from being a quiet family man and worker during the other 6 days of the week, other people have other reasons, I am no more loyal than the people who have not turned up.... I use SFC for my own selfish reasons, and certainly not due to my undieing loyalty to SFC You cannot blame the fans, you can't however, fail to realise that if we had an average gate of 5000 more, then we wouldn't be in administration. Edited 21 May, 2009 by StuRomseySaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 (edited) of an investor buying the club? Anyone with a passing interest in our club will have noticed how failure, or even class background, was punished by many fans. Some simply boycotted, on the basis that until Lowe left, they would stop going, even being encouraged by the prospect of administration making his departure more likely. We now have the same fans begging for a new owner to invest many millions in rescuing us and I have some sympathy for these potential investors, people like Gavyn Davies, thinking carefully about the consequences. Failure in how fans are treated, how succesfull the team is, whether the right manager is chosen may result in the same outcome. A disagreement about the running of the club and the same whining cry babies will go shopping instead of cheering the team on. A no win situation for someone like Mr. Davies, even if the club may be a good investment. The chance to become a hate figure and losing upwards of a £25M investment? No thanks... In the end, the fans will get the club they deserve...and it may be no club at all.... In a word - NO. The fan base is there, the potential is there, we just need an ambitious owner, with a reasonable business head, to match that potential (something we have never had at the club in the past). PS Isn't it time you gave up on the "it's all the fans fault" theme GM?, all getting a bit tiresome... and no one bar you and a couple of others (19C, Jonah etc.) believe it. PPS I believe GD was in fact one of those fans who 'boycotted' during the latest catastrophic Lowe tenure... Edited 21 May, 2009 by SW11_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 21 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 May, 2009 As for investors etc and talking about Davies losing investment. Maybe they dont want idiots like you going through companies house websit and downloading all their business accounts. You prefer to wallow in ignorance then TIT? Yet you hate "...getting thrown into something and us fans know nothing" I think i and many other Saints fans are looking beyond the 'Le Tissier' PR and wondering who exactly he has aligned himself too. Money is one thing and there has been no talk of 'investment' it has to be said. But the most important thing is those making the decisions. That is where SFC has gone wrong for many years and now sees us in League 1. So who is behind this MLT lot ? All we know is wealthy property and land owners based in London ( i presume). I hate the fact we are getting thrown into something and us fans know nothing. Try reading facts and learning, if you can wipe the drool from your lips for long enough.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Try reading facts and learning, if you can wipe the drool from your lips for long enough.... Now now GM, try to keep it civil - difficult for you I know - but please try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Feck Me I agree with Stu! Seriously thats about right, income loss was probably the biggest factor given the contractual obligations, but there wer a variety of reasons for the stayawyas - sure a dgree of disloyalty and simply it no longer appealing, bt ther is also the cost in this climate which means folk siply cant afford to go to every game - dont forget in the prem, a great deal of those tickets were sold to a more affluent group who liked the idea of PREM football. but it could be argued were fans of football first and saints second - nowt wrong with that but it does mean we have to be realistic about what fanbase to expect and therefore ensure we cut our cloth to match - NOw that we have seen and experienced first hand what many clubs have been through after 27 years of an easy financial time, we need to really readjust our expectations and ambitions so that we are not so easily dissapointed with poor results and slow progress - the revenue streams are just not there to fund the ambitions of fans. GM, I think you do make a reasonable point, but its a bit harsh to fans are putting off investors, sure a and stable fanbase of a well run family club is more appealing to the modern investor, but then that is alos aspirational and an interesting challenge for the right man/group who is serious about making a difference, not just making a packet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Feck Me I agree with Stu! Seriously thats about right, income loss was probably the biggest factor given the contractual obligations, but there wer a variety of reasons for the stayawyas - sure a dgree of disloyalty and simply it no longer appealing, bt ther is also the cost in this climate which means folk siply cant afford to go to every game - dont forget in the prem, a great deal of those tickets were sold to a more affluent group who liked the idea of PREM football. but it could be argued were fans of football first and saints second - nowt wrong with that but it does mean we have to be realistic about what fanbase to expect and therefore ensure we cut our cloth to match - NOw that we have seen and experienced first hand what many clubs have been through after 27 years of an easy financial time, we need to really readjust our expectations and ambitions so that we are not so easily dissapointed with poor results and slow progress - the revenue streams are just not there to fund the ambitions of fans. GM, I think you do make a reasonable point, but its a bit harsh to fans are putting off investors, sure a and stable fanbase of a well run family club is more appealing to the modern investor, but then that is alos aspirational and an interesting challenge for the right man/group who is serious about making a difference, not just making a packet... Good post Frank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 All if's and but's...the fact is Lowe got what he deserved. Now the "fans" loyal every weekers or the stayaways are being asked to keep the club afloat. What about all those who made money out of being at SFC? Ex-players, Managers who got the big pay-offs, Dividends, et al? Sorry but to blame those who stayed away for our demise is very short sighted - you must speculate to accumulate - and Rupert and his chorts (the senior management with business acumen) chose to get second rate players and pocket the "parachute" payment. I'm proud to have stayed away from SMS - it eventually got rid of the joker in charge. His shares are worth SFA - and those who propsered from the reverse take over finally got theirt just rewards - absolutely nothing and a blot on their business CV, which reads "Failed at SLH". So we need investment - so we need a saviour. The fans (not cutomers) do not demand success - just blood, sweat and tears. No one has given blood (except Claus to see if he was over the limit!), very few sweated - and I guess only the fans have shed tears! Have Lowe back? I'd rather have no association or affiliation with a business that only takes and never gives back! No SFC...sure I will survive on the memories. When people ask me what I did in my youth and informative years and say "I followed The Saints"...nothing else will matter! To any potentail buyer out there - we have a fan base. We love ourt club - we jkust want the players and owners to show the same passion. Unfortunately it will never happen again - football sold it's soul to the devil - SKY! If it's not Premiership - it's not worth watching. Based on our experience at SMS since our demise I tend to agree - but they are my team of choice and nothing comes close. Even watching England leaves me cold... I am losing the will to worry about what the future holds...I have memories of another era when it was an honest profession when players got 2/3-times the average mans salary - but they've exceded that beyond all expectations. If the man on the street has lost touch and putting these people on pedestals - the game is doomed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 GM, I think you do make a reasonable point, but its a bit harsh to fans are putting off investors, sure a and stable fanbase of a well run family club is more appealing to the modern investor, but then that is alos aspirational and an interesting challenge for the right man/group who is serious about making a difference, not just making a packet... Of course what GM also chooses to ignore is the fact that once Lowe went and we knew we were in desperate ****e the gates went up - ok cheaper prices helped but if you were an investor you couldnt ignore the passion, support and feeling at those last few home games but you could if you wanted to ignore the real reasons why admin was happening and not just blaming the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 21 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 May, 2009 So where does that leave the 15k or so that did attend will they get the club they deserve? I love the constant threads that appear on here that attack the fans who didn't go yet disregard all those that did regardless of whether they supported Lowe or not! During the last two home games, I had a different fan sitting next to me telling me proudly how he'd stayed away because of Rupert Lowe and now he was gone, he'd bought a matchday ticket. It was like meeting a long lost relative that turns up at a relative's funeral, having failed to visit them when they were alive. I hate every f***er on this website that has boycotted the club and brought us to this and I read their self serving bullsh !t posts with disdain. The problem is that there are so many long distance stay aways that post boll ox on here that people think they also represent the fans that stuck with the club, irrespective of who was on the board or whether we were winning. You're right and so is Stu. You don't deserve this situation and I wasn't suggesting that. I'm sorry if it wasn't clearer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithy Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 (edited) The people that have not turned up for the last two years at SMS played a part in administration, you could even say that if they didn't walk away then we wouldn't be in administration... that is almost 100% true. If the gates had been 5000 up in the last two seasons, then based on an average ticket of £20, we would have been pushing £5million in gate receipts, enough to make a massive dent in the overdraft and pay the mortgage. Add an average per person spend of £3 on food, that's an extra £700k , add to that say, another £1m in the megastore. Then chuck in another £1m or so Corporates and you are looking about £8m Then look at the sponsors, costing of sponsorship is all relative to how many people view it and is based on home attendances. So all in all, you could safely estimate that 5000 less fans equals nearly £10m in revenue over the last two years. BUT, you cannot blame the fans for not wanting to turn up, there is only a percentage of us, all for our own personal reasons, who turn up at SMS each week, regardless of performance. My excuse is it gives me a release from being a quiet family man and worker during the other 6 days of the week, other people have other reasons, I am no more loyal than the people who have not turned up.... I use SFC for my own selfish reasons, and certainly not due to my undieing loyalty to SFC You cannot blame the fans, you can't however, fail to realise that if we had an average gate of 5000 more, then we wouldn't be in administration. Spot on. I have been to more games this season than I have in 5 years, that's because I have been involved in playing and managing Saturday football. Had I been free to attend more then I would have done so. I fully intend to go to as many games as possible if we have a club next season, whatever league we are in. I feel that maybe by not turning up regularly for the previous 4 years has contributed (maybe only minorly) to our downfall, but there are many others who have not for other reasons, but that was their perogative. The people who didn't turn up because they were making a point are just as passionate, if not more so than people like me. Edited 21 May, 2009 by smithy To explain why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 21 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 May, 2009 I'm proud to have stayed away from SMS - it eventually got rid of the joker in charge. His shares are worth SFA - and those who propsered from the reverse take over finally got theirt just rewards - absolutely nothing and a blot on their business CV, which reads "Failed at SLH". You make me vomit, you plastic to$$er... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 I just don't think that this really helps to be honest GM. The club needs a buyer and once it has that it has to rediscover what being Southampton Football Club means. That CAN happen now with the demise of the major shareholders and those pulling the strings such as Guy Askham. I didn't want administration and we can see why but it was inevitable given the share deadlock Guy Askham left behind. We had no chance of getting this club sold with those pillocks still involved as recently as this year. The reality of running a club is that you take a lot of enjoyable glory in the public eye when you succeed - as Rupert did 1997-2003 and rightly so. He also deserved the considerable flak 2004-9 (excluding 2006-2008) for poor performance although the boards at the time should have removed him as CEO. That's what you sign up to. Right now, you get a lot of club for money with SFC but that overhead that has been built needs considerable investment to maintain it - the academy alone costs a basic £4-5m per year to run. Did I go to games? Yes but it was torture last year as there were few home games where the players gave 100%. The squad was just a cheaper version of the 2004/5 squad that sunk without a shread of fight. I never want to see players bottling 50/50s like we saw in the Forest and Doncaster games ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 I hate every f***er on this website that has boycotted the club. Being hated by a troll. Oh Noes!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Very nicely put.... All if's and but's...the fact is Lowe got what he deserved. Now the "fans" loyal every weekers or the stayaways are being asked to keep the club afloat. What about all those who made money out of being at SFC? Ex-players, Managers who got the big pay-offs, Dividends, et al? Sorry but to blame those who stayed away for our demise is very short sighted - you must speculate to accumulate - and Rupert and his chorts (the senior management with business acumen) chose to get second rate players and pocket the "parachute" payment. I'm proud to have stayed away from SMS - it eventually got rid of the joker in charge. His shares are worth SFA - and those who propsered from the reverse take over finally got theirt just rewards - absolutely nothing and a blot on their business CV, which reads "Failed at SLH". So we need investment - so we need a saviour. The fans (not cutomers) do not demand success - just blood, sweat and tears. No one has given blood (except Claus to see if he was over the limit!), very few sweated - and I guess only the fans have shed tears! Have Lowe back? I'd rather have no association or affiliation with a business that only takes and never gives back! No SFC...sure I will survive on the memories. When people ask me what I did in my youth and informative years and say "I followed The Saints"...nothing else will matter! To any potentail buyer out there - we have a fan base. We love ourt club - we jkust want the players and owners to show the same passion. Unfortunately it will never happen again - football sold it's soul to the devil - SKY! If it's not Premiership - it's not worth watching. Based on our experience at SMS since our demise I tend to agree - but they are my team of choice and nothing comes close. Even watching England leaves me cold... I am losing the will to worry about what the future holds...I have memories of another era when it was an honest profession when players got 2/3-times the average mans salary - but they've exceded that beyond all expectations. If the man on the street has lost touch and putting these people on pedestals - the game is doomed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 What a utter total rubbish. As for investors etc and talking about Davies losing investment. Maybe they dont want idiots like you going through companies house websit and downloading all their business accounts. That would put people off more than all the tripe you come out with eh. To be honest these accounts are in the public domain for a reason so that those looking o business with them can check they are financially able and stable - its due diligence and its important that we as fans (although we cant do anything about it) DO our due diligence and understand who and what is hapening to our club before we offer blind alliegence - aftrall did so many not simpy folllow wilde despite Gm positing concerns on here that he was unlikely to be able to back up his investor claims? If you are not prepared to listen or look into thi sbefore supporting a new investor/owner, then you cant complain if they dont deliver on their promises. Also anyone worth their salt with everything above board will have no problem at all with fans seeing information that is legally available and in the public domain - If you have bull****ted fans and made promises your bank balance cant back up, why should fans not know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 21 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Being hated by a troll. Oh Noes!!I read your self serving bullsh !t posts with disdain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 I read your self serving bullsh !t posts with disdain There is an ignore option if you don't want to read his posts. I like a lot of your posts GM but this one was simply going to polarise opinion and cause yet more bickering and surprise surprise it has. SLH could not sustain that overhead GM and lower gates brought the inevitable sooner than most of us would have liked - administration is never to be wished for. There's no way we would have got the buyout needed for survival last year with all of those egos in the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 I read your self serving bullsh !t posts with disdain It's sad it's come to this. If only we could zoom back to 2004 (or should that be 1984?) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/3407225.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 You make me vomit, you plastic to$$er... Nothing like expressing an opinion and having someone come back with a slanderous statement...I've never made anyone vomit! So let's agree one thing...if the 5,000 had turned up we would not have been relegated? We would have money in the bank to bank role another chance of promotion like we did with the parachute payments, but this time to Div.1? If you think we were second best this year - what about next season? It's not about class - I've been shooting. I wear Harris Tweed. I've got big rosey cheeks! It was shameful what happened at our club and by tuerning up every week - or when I could to SMS I was supporting the regime that brought us relegation, and further relegation! If anyone mentions Cardiff and the good times - it's all in the past. As far as I'm concerned I got the club I deserved. As for being a plastic - is that like the mugs they serve beer in at SMS on the concourse? I'd rather be a plastic than a "prawn sandwicher" any day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 What about me? I didn't go when were going well in the Premiership either? I couldn't afford to travel down from Swindon every other week, pay the £35 or whatever it was and sundry expenses on my pitiful wages. I used to go to The Dell a lot when I was younger though and I lived in Lockerley. Last time I looked we live in a fairly free democracy and every adult male and female is free to make their choice on a wide variety of topics. If some on this forum choose to go to every game that is their choice and if others choose never to set foot in the stadium for whatever reasons it's up to them and I judge them not......lest they judge me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emerson massey Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 of an investor buying the club? Anyone with a passing interest in our club will have noticed how failure, or even class background, was punished by many fans. Some simply boycotted, on the basis that until Lowe left, they would stop going, even being encouraged by the prospect of administration making his departure more likely. Firstly, i think, as with most, if not all businesses, failure will will lead to less interest in that business, i know a footbal club is slightly different, but the fundamentals (sp) still apply. Second, did that many people stay away due to the class issue? i dont know as i cant spend all day trawling (or 'trolling' ) through all the posts on here to find out, but i can't imagine that may people stayed away just because RL was regarded as being upper class (i'm common as muck before anyone asks ) - i may of course be wrong, but i hope (and think) not Thirdly, while potential investors may have noticed any rifts, if they were really serious in planning any investment, this would not have deterred them, but spurred them on to regain all the fans that had stayed away and therefore push the club forward This is of course is all IMHO, and in answer to your question, my answer is (albeit a rather convoluted) NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 (edited) I read your self serving bullsh !t posts with disdain Now you're starting to sound like the frenchman on the castle in Monty Python & the Holy Grail - "I farrtt in yeur generale directsion..". Time for a lie down I think GM, you've started an argumentative, and rather silly, thread, and seem to have worked yourself up into a right old tizzy... Toodle pip! Edited 21 May, 2009 by SW11_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithy Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Now you're starting to sound like the frenchman on the castle in Monty Python & the Holy Grail - "I farrtt in yeur generale directsion..". Time for a lie down I think GM, you've started an argumentative, and rather silly, thread, and seem to worked yourself up into a tizzy... Oh for a Tizzy now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 GM. always quite enjoyed your posts on here, but this one doesn't resonate with me at all. Have you had too much to drink tonight? And were you in Spandau Ballet circa 1980? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Now you're starting to sound like the frenchman on the castle in Monty Python & the Holy Grail - "I farrtt in yeur generale directsion..". Time for a lie down I think GM, you've started an argumentative, and rather silly, thread, and seem to have worked yourself up into a right old tizzy... Toodle pip! GM, I blow my nose at you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 And were you in Spandau Ballet circa 1980? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Ha! Seriously you are suggesting that fans boycotted in part due to the fact Lowe is upper class? Twaddle my good man ;-) lol Lets face it each time fans have been put off by the MANAGEMENT of the club or rather the poor management of the club. I don't seem to remember many fan boycotts over Rupes class when we were in the prem. If potential investors have been put off as you suggest they are scared to fail then are they really suitable business people in the first place?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Some valid points on here and some arse. There are five types of fans at home matches: 1) Armchair fans who've only ever gone sporadically. 2) Fans who stopped going for non-Lowe reasons (division, quality, money, family, time etc.). 3) Fans who stopped going because of Lowe. 4) Fans who stopped going for non-Lowe reasons (or were always type 1) but used Lowe as an excuse. 5) Fans who continued to go. Personally I believe the number of genuine 3's was quite low(e), but the number of 4's was quite high. Both dwarfed by 2. But really the number of fans had little impact. Once Murdoch's millions disappeared we were doomed without a takeover. Yorkie, the suggestion that Lowe et. al. pocketed the parachute payments is laughable, it went on unsustainably high player wages and an infrastructure geared to the Premier League. To be honest I'm surprised we lasted as long as we did into the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 I think a new owner will be put off by "look at me threads". There's no evidence for this, but it is fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 If we get a new owner and come through this thing, then I'll be returning with STs. If Lowe ever gets his feet under the table again, I'm off until he goes again. It really is that simple. Misguided and Nineteen can gnash their teeth all they like against the stayaways, puff their chests out and claim superfan status for themselves if they wish. But in any other commercial relationship between a provider of goods or services, if the customer continues to patronise a provider of shoddy and overpriced goods of inferior quality, then they are a total mug. That is the misplaced loyalty towards our club that the board have played on, but they overstepped the mark and did not treat us with respect. I'm really surprised that somebody like GM who runs his own business does not understand the basic principles of customer service and the right the customer has to stop patronising those establishments where he feels that he is not valued and respected. I must say that he reminds me a bit of Basil Fawlty in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 I think we may have covered this already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 I think we may have covered this already. Ah, but I dont think that Misguided had started a thread on it before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 of an investor buying the club? Anyone with a passing interest in our club will have noticed how failure, or even class background, was punished by many fans. Some simply boycotted, on the basis that until Lowe left, they would stop going, even being encouraged by the prospect of administration making his departure more likely. We now have the same fans begging for a new owner to invest many millions in rescuing us and I have some sympathy for these potential investors, people like Gavyn Davies, thinking carefully about the consequences. Failure in how fans are treated, how succesfull the team is, whether the right manager is chosen may result in the same outcome. A disagreement about the running of the club and the same whining cry babies will go shopping instead of cheering the team on. A no win situation for someone like Mr. Davies, even if the club may be a good investment. The chance to become a hate figure and losing upwards of a £25M investment? No thanks... In the end, those fans will get the club they deserve...and it may be no club at all.... Never ever doubted the simple fact that the action of some fans was ruining the chances of our survival both then and now. Any investor will have massive reservations about the effect on their revenue streams on a simple error of judgement. misconception or upsetting some uber-fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Total and utter Gash................ And quite frankly I cant even be arsed to explain why I think so. Are you TNT's brother in arms? He has exactly the same approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 May, 2009 Share Posted 21 May, 2009 Never ever doubted the simple fact that the action of some fans was ruining the chances of our survival both then and now. Any investor will have massive reservations about the effect on their revenue streams on a simple error of judgement. misconception or upsetting some uber-fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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