Saint Fan CaM Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1688752,00.html Great to see one of my boyhood heroes finally get an honour he deserves. What a pity though that SFC is in such turmoil still that Saints can't host him at SMS to allow the fans perhaps just one more chance to show him how much affection is held for him. It really would be a chance for the new owner(s) to show recognition and respect for Saints great history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 (edited) http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1688752,00.html Great to see one of my boyhood heroes finally get an honour he deserves. What a pity though that SFC is in such turmoil still that Saints can't host him at SMS to allow the fans perhaps just one more chance to show him how much affection is held for him. It really would be a chance for the new owner(s) to show recognition and respect for Saints great history. Nice story line about TP. He'll get to see the " new Wembley" and good to remember that he holds one record unlikely ever to be equalled - in that he's the only England no.7 to score a hat-trick in a Wembley international. Having scored a goal in the FA jubilee game, England v. Rest of the World 2-1 a month before, Terry really got a taste for the big occasion on his next visit. 20 Nov.1963 Terry single-handedly destoyed the Northern Irish team when England won .......8-3 (!) TP scored a hat-trick himself and laid on FOUR of the other goals. (Jimmy Greaves 4, Bobby Smith 1). Don't fool yourself that N.I. were poor - they had some good players, but it was one time that Terry was just too good for everyone on the day. Edited 9 June, 2009 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 Blimey - he was a handsome chap, wasn't he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 Blimey - he was a handsome chap, wasn't he Terry had been a one-club man till Lawrie McMenemy released him (aged 35) and still he carried on playing (for Hereford) - and got them promoted, too. This was an era before pop star hero worship, and England manager Alf Ramsey was very much against individual praise, but TP was a star player. He was in some way, a " type" of Beckham, for his runs and corner kicks. Terry played all his 19 England internationals whilst Saints were still in Div.1 (CCC in those days) and ironically lost his place (to a young Alan Ball) when Ramsey changed his playing style to 4-3-3 ...(so-called "wingless wonders") before the Final game v. W.Germany. Had we NOT won the trophy, Paine would surely have continued as England right winger - ironically Saints had been promoted a month before but TP never played for England again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 Has Becks ever owned a Fruit and Veg shop!! TP great player and one I am glad to say I saw play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 I believe that Paine holds the record for most appearances under one manager. A record very very quickly being honed in on by Ryan Giggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 Has Becks ever owned a Fruit and Veg shop!! TP great player and one I am glad to say I saw play. Ah those were the days. TP, Johnny Sydenham and Cliff Huxford. *nostalgia type smiley thingy* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 I happened to move from Southampton to Hereford at exactly the sam time as Terry and it softened the blow of not being able to see Saints regularly having him in the Hereford team who won three promotions in about 5 years. He'd moved from the wing to be the best "midfield general" I've ever seen - bar none. He didn't run much, just was the automatic outlet who collected the ball, put his foot on it then picked the perfect pass - again and again. Happy days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 I happened to move from Southampton to Hereford at exactly the sam time as Terry and it softened the blow of not being able to see Saints regularly having him in the Hereford team who won three promotions in about 5 years. He'd moved from the wing to be the best "midfield general" I've ever seen - bar none. He didn't run much, just was the automatic outlet who collected the ball, put his foot on it then picked the perfect pass - again and again. Happy days. The difference between Painey and most other players was that he had something between his ears and he knew how to use it. He also never got caught! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestSaint Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 Has Becks ever owned a Fruit and Veg shop!! TP great player and one I am glad to say I saw play. The fruit and Veg shop used to be just off Shirley High Street at the bottom of Archers Road I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 I know Terry Paines niece. She didn't really seem to understand who he was or how big a player he is in Saints' history though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 Without doubt one of the greatest players ever to pull on the red and white. I have never seen another player with such passing accuracy, The combination of Paine and Ron Davis was awesome, Terry’s accuracy and Ron’s heading power was the undoing of many defences, add one John Sydenham into the mix and it made for a fantastic footballing spectacle. The honour is fully deserved and well overdue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Mywords Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 Some players now win medals without even playing while Terry - and others who actually played in 1966 - has had to wait 43 years to receive his World Cup winners medal. I saw his first game for Saints back in 1957 and, with MLT, is undoubtedly the greatest Southampton player of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 with MLT, is undoubtedly the greatest Southampton player of all time. Add Mick Channon to that and I'd say you were spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintalan Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 Ronaldo? Are you Terry paine in disguise? The larger photo on the OS looks like him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 Add Mick Channon to that and I'd say you were spot on. +1, and maybe Big Ron as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 The difference between Painey and most other players was that he had something between his ears and he knew how to use it. He also never got caught! mr lunnis tried a few times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 Terry Played in the first ever Saints game I saw. Unfortunately though, he was playing for Hereford at the Dell. BTW, could someone tell me who scored that day, it was 1-0 , in October 1974. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 (edited) Terry Played in the first ever Saints game I saw. Unfortunately though, he was playing for Hereford at the Dell. BTW, could someone tell me who scored that day, it was 1-0 , in October 1974. I think you'll find that game was October 16 .......1976 ! It was TP 's last game at The Dell. He officially "retired" after that game, but had to come back some weeks later and eventually played more games that season including the return fixture at Edgar Street. Hereford won 2-0 . Saints won 1-0 goal by Nick Holmes ( one of the very few So'ton born players to captain a Saints side, and nowadays managing Salisbury.) Edited 9 June, 2009 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 I think you'll find that game was October 16 .......1976 ! It was TP 's last game at The Dell. Saints won 1-0 goal by Nick Holmes ( one of the very few So'ton born players to captain a Saints side, and nowadays managing Salisbury.) thanks for that, Seems I'm just a glory supporter!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastleighhalo Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 I know Terry Paines niece. She didn't really seem to understand who he was or how big a player he is in Saints' history though. Terry Paine is a second cousin of mine.. The first time i saw him play live was versus West Ham a couple of months after England had won the world cup in 66.. we thrashed them 6-2 at a packed to the rafters Dell ! ..and the Hammers had Moore , Peters and Hurst playing!! Even tho hes family ive never met him unfortunately.. would love to pick his brains about them days tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 Terry Paine is a second cousin of mine.. The first time i saw him play live was versus West Ham a couple of months after England had won the world cup in 66.. we thrashed them 6-2 at a packed to the rafters Dell ! ..and the Hammers had Moore , Peters and Hurst playing!! Even tho hes family ive never met him unfortunately.. would love to pick his brains about them days tho... yes that was 4th Feb 1967, you're quite right ...we beat them 6-2 and their world cup trio didn't look so strong that day. we were 4-0 up in half an hour. Terry Paine at his best -scored two penalties that day, (one when he was fouled by Bobby Moore.) others by Hollywood, Davies and Chivers 2. - they must have hung from the rafters, official attendance was 30123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 True legend, he deserves his medal, and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 yes that was 4th Feb 1967, you're quite right ...we beat them 6-2 and their world cup trio didn't look so strong that day. we were 4-0 up in half an hour. Terry Paine at his best -scored two penalties that day, (one when he was fouled by Bobby Moore.) others by Hollywood, Davies and Chivers 2. - they must have hung from the rafters, official attendance was 30123 Didn't get in. :mad: Gates shut by 2.45. Had to wait for my Dad to get back from work. Also missed the ManU game that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 Happy memories of Paine, Sydenham....great days and great Saints all three of us.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 9 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 June, 2009 Happy memories of Paine, Sydenham....great days and great Saints all three of us.. Err, are you an ex-player then Ottery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 Err, are you an ex-player then Ottery? Southampton Schools and I coached those two great wingers from behind the goal at Milton Road which makes me a great Saint in more ways than one....Just think How great they became with my coaching:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 Terry Paine is a second cousin of mine.. The first time i saw him play live was versus West Ham a couple of months after England had won the world cup in 66.. we thrashed them 6-2 at a packed to the rafters Dell ! ..and the Hammers had Moore , Peters and Hurst playing!! Even tho hes family ive never met him unfortunately.. would love to pick his brains about them days tho... Yer, you should pull a few strings... he can't say no to family Yer, I said that I support saints and she said oh my uncle played for them and I said oh what was his name expecting some guy I had never heard of and when she said Terry Paine I was a bit but like I said she didn't really understand just how good he was! She also said she doesn't see him that often now because he lives in South Africa or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 Southampton Schools and I coached those two great wingers from behind the goal at Milton Road which makes me a great Saint in more ways than one....Just think How great they became with my coaching:cool: So can we blame you for our demise? You must have either stopped coaching from behind the goal or suddenly became a sh!t coach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 So can we blame you for our demise? You must have either stopped coaching from behind the goal or suddenly became a sh!t coach! Done for me when we moved to St Marys....Just could not reach out and slap the players when they didn't listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 Terry had been a one-club man till Lawrie McMenemy released him (aged 35) and still he carried on playing (for Hereford) - and got them promoted, too. This was an era before pop star hero worship, and England manager Alf Ramsey was very much against individual praise, but TP was a star player. He was in some way, a " type" of Beckham, for his runs and corner kicks. Terry played all his 19 England internationals whilst Saints were still in Div.1 (CCC in those days) and ironically lost his place (to a young Alan Ball) when Ramsey changed his playing style to 4-3-3 ...(so-called "wingless wonders") before the Final game v. W.Germany. Had we NOT won the trophy, Paine would surely have continued as England right winger - ironically Saints had been promoted a month before but TP never played for England again. I remember his last game in the 1966 World Cup. It was against Mexico and he nearly scored with a diving header. As you say, his time was done when Sir Alf opted to do away with wingers from the next match onwards...to be fair to him though it did work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 I think you'll find that game was October 16 .......1976 ! It was TP 's last game at The Dell. He officially "retired" after that game, but had to come back some weeks later and eventually played more games that season including the return fixture at Edgar Street. Hereford won 2-0 . Saints won 1-0 goal by Nick Holmes ( one of the very few So'ton born players to captain a Saints side, and nowadays managing Salisbury.) And I was there! TP was my 'Hero' at the Dell. Those were wonderful times to watch and follow Saints. D in S (or Memoryman:)) thanks for the details! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 Many of the Sports Bars here carry the South African Channels for games that don't get wider English Language coverage - like England Internationals and Carling Cup. TP has been an excellent "studio expert" on there for a long time. I like others was lucky enough to see him play, and yet even today he still looks like HCDAJU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 Many of the Sports Bars here carry the South African Channels for games that don't get wider English Language coverage - like England Internationals and Carling Cup. TP has been an excellent "studio expert" on there for a long time. I like others was lucky enough to see him play, and yet even today he still looks like HCDAJU Major celeb in South Africa on SuperSport, I am hoping to bump into him on a golf course down there one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vince Posted 9 June, 2009 Share Posted 9 June, 2009 I believe that Paine holds the record for most appearances under one manager. A record very very quickly being honed in on by Ryan Giggs. David Bull did an article on this in one of the programmes last season (v's PNE 21st Feb, I've just dug it out). Giggs has surpassed Paines record of appearances under one manager now, and I hope David won't mind me paraphrasing if he's on this forum: Giggs broke the record against West Ham, where he scored the winner, therefore scoring in every season of the PL. He made 700 starts and 87 sub appearences, Paine started 782 games and sub only 4 times. The other interesting fact from that article was that Beckhams record number of appearances for England are made up of 54 games where he started and finished the game and therefore 54 games where he was either subbed or sent off, and Bobby Moore started AND finished ALL 108 of his games. Apologies for straying slightly off topic. David's book on Terry is a great read too, and on the World Cup, it says Terry was concussed within 90 seconds of the start of that Mexico game and remembers nothing about it at all, and without it he may well have stayed in the team, as the line up didn't change from the next game onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 BBC Website covering the news too. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8091242.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 I remember his last game in the 1966 World Cup. It was against Mexico and he nearly scored with a diving header. As you say, his time was done when Sir Alf opted to do away with wingers from the next match onwards...to be fair to him though it did work! Terry also got injured in the game - concussion I think, which made it easy for Ramsey to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 10 June, 2009 Share Posted 10 June, 2009 It's good to see the great man get his reward. Memories eh! His was the first signature (after my mum!) into my autograph book when I was about 10. I thought it looked good and used it as an inspiration for my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 (edited) I remember his last game in the 1966 World Cup. It was against Mexico and he nearly scored with a diving header. As you say, his time was done when Sir Alf opted to do away with wingers from the next match onwards...to be fair to him though it did work! It may have been an enforced change as ...in reading Terry Paine's biography Constant Paine.....it seems that TP took a knock in the first minute, and played out the rest of that game with a concussion....(no subs. then). Ramsey wasn't sure that Terry ..had recovered /was going to recover ...and so didn't choose him for the next match. As is was, Ramsey's changes worked and no-one knows what might have happened... IF ...........? As the end result was winning the Final, no-one would want to change that, but some of us would have liked to see TP play more games. He WAS one of the best winger in Europe at the time ..if not the Wor......? Hey ho ...still, it was good to see Terry get his medal after all. Edited 11 June, 2009 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 Am i the only one that finds this photo a little disconcerting? It's probably just the whole Gordon Brown smiling thing... Send shivers down my spine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 fantastic player and servant to this great club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haddock22 Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 terry was one of my heroes when i started watching saints from 1966.Terry was one of the best wingers ever seen in saints colours and unlike most wingers could look after himself which is another way of saying he would leave his boot in when required and would often tread on the opposition player when he went round them !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marino Posted 11 June, 2009 Share Posted 11 June, 2009 Finished reading Constant Paine only last night, a superb read by David Bull. Whilst on holiday on the IOW during the 60's my Dad and I came over on the ferry for an August midweek game against Leeds and stayed at the same hotel where the team gathered before home games. Both TP and Tony Knapp spent at least 30 minutes chatting to us before climbing onto the team bus to the Dell. What chance any of today's so-called stars would even acknoweldge fans, let alone spend time with them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 12 June, 2009 Share Posted 12 June, 2009 Finished reading Constant Paine only last night, a superb read by David Bull. Whilst on holiday on the IOW during the 60's my Dad and I came over on the ferry for an August midweek game against Leeds and stayed at the same hotel where the team gathered before home games. Both TP and Tony Knapp spent at least 30 minutes chatting to us before climbing onto the team bus to the Dell. What chance any of today's so-called stars would even acknoweldge fans, let alone spend time with them ? I'll go along with that Marino, CONSTANT PAINE is a great read, (special thanks to David Bull) .. especially for those of us who watched him and John Sydenham destroy visiting defences at the Dell every season. Great stuff ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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