Saint86 Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 My understanding is that the prem gets as standard 4 CL places, and 1 Europa league place. Then, if a top 5 team wins the capital one cup, 6th place gets the EL spot? Then, if a top 6 team wins the FA Cup, 7th place gets the EL spot? But then, if 7th place win the CL, doesn't 8th place get the EL spot? Or do i have this totally wrong? General question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 6 May, 2016 Author Share Posted 6 May, 2016 sorry, i mean if 7th place gets CL qualification, does the EL spot go to 8th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 If Liverpool finish in the Europa League places and win it, the Premier League loses a Europa League spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjk Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 If we finish 7th then we need United to win the FA cup and if we finish 8th we need Liverpool to win the Europa Cup thus qualifying for the Champions League,for us to qualify.(I think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarhead5 Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 Like you guys, I'm confused. However, it seems that we now need: to finish 7th and ManU win FA Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud mark of doom Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 Like you guys, I'm confused. However, it seems that we now need: to finish 7th and ManU win FA Cup. Are we sure that's good enough, if Liverpool are 8th but qualify by winning the Europa cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 Do we need another thread on this, the existing one has still not cleared up this subject completely: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?56452-Europa-League-Thread-2016-7#.VyyQcfkrKhc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 "It should also be stated," he added, "that an association with, for example, four places in the UEFA Champions League can increase their participation to five places should a club from their association win the UEFA Europa League in the previous season. "If that club has already qualified for the UEFA Champions League via their domestic league, then the association remains with four places in the UEFA Champions League. If that club has already qualified for the UEFA Europa League via their domestic league, it results in five clubs participating in the UEFA Champions League, and two – not three – participating in the UEFA Europa League." http://www.uefa.org/about-uefa/execu...d=2226990.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 "It should also be stated," he added, "that an association with, for example, four places in the UEFA Champions League can increase their participation to five places should a club from their association win the UEFA Europa League in the previous season. "If that club has already qualified for the UEFA Champions League via their domestic league, then the association remains with four places in the UEFA Champions League. If that club has already qualified for the UEFA Europa League via their domestic league, it results in five clubs participating in the UEFA Champions League, and two – not three – participating in the UEFA Europa League." http://www.uefa.org/about-uefa/execu...d=2226990.html So what happens if they finish 8th or lower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 (edited) Are we sure that's good enough, if Liverpool are 8th but qualify by winning the Europa cup? But then I think we would have 3 places as we are designated 1 league place, and 2 x cup places! Say if we won capital one cup and Palace won the FA cup, both finished outside 5th. You couldn't just take away one of those 3 designated places from one of the clubs because the bladdy scousers won Europa Edited 6 May, 2016 by Saint IQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud mark of doom Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 "It should also be stated," he added, "that an association with, for example, four places in the UEFA Champions League can increase their participation to five places should a club from their association win the UEFA Europa League in the previous season. "If that club has already qualified for the UEFA Champions League via their domestic league, then the association remains with four places in the UEFA Champions League. If that club has already qualified for the UEFA Europa League via their domestic league, it results in five clubs participating in the UEFA Champions League, and two – not three – participating in the UEFA Europa League." http://www.uefa.org/about-uefa/execu...d=2226990.html Thanks - doesn't seem to cover the scenario in which the club in question wins the Europa but doesn't qualify otherwise but presumably we should infer that there would only be 2 places in that case. So we need to cheer on United and Sevilla? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 Thanks - doesn't seem to cover the scenario in which the club in question wins the Europa but doesn't qualify otherwise but presumably we should infer that there would only be 2 places in that case. So we need to cheer on United and Sevilla? Utd yes. But it doesn't matter if Liverpool win or lose. It only goes down to 2 EL if they finish in an EL spot but qualify for CL. For example, if they win EL and finish 8th they enter CL and the PL gets the usual 4 CL + 3 EL, plus a bonus CL for Liverpool (so 5 CL + 3 EL total). But if they win EL and finish 7th (say) and Utd win the cup, then their EL spot gets converted to CL for them, but no extra EL spot is opened up below them. So instead of 4 CL + 3 EL we get 5 CL + 2 EL. No-one gets punished, but 8th doesn't get rewarded either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 During the press conference today a journalist made the statement if MU win the cup and Liverpool win the EL eight teams will qualify. RK agreed with him and said he wanted Liverpool to win. I find it strange that he wouldn't know the rules as he has been banging on about Europe all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 During the press conference today a journalist made the statement if MU win the cup and Liverpool win the EL eight teams will qualify. RK agreed with him and said he wanted Liverpool to win. I find it strange that he wouldn't know the rules as he has been banging on about Europe all season. Not so strange. Pellegrini didn't know how the away goal rule worked. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/10509964/Manuel-Pellegrinis-blunder-costs-Manchester-City-chance-to-top-Champions-League-group.html Plus, he may have understood the question to refer to Liverpool finishing 8th. Eight slots are only available if Liverpool win and finish 8th or low. We still want Liverpool to win the EL, just not their EPL games. We need to finish ahead of them, or Man U, or West Ham. Preferably two of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 So in summery , it won't make a blind bit of difference if Liverpool win the Europa league or not . Or am I missing something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 So in summery , it won't make a blind bit of difference if Liverpool win the Europa league or not . Or am I missing something You're not missing anything, that is correct. But we do need to cheer Man Utd in the cup. Which may be painful for some of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 it's pretty easy folks. 01) Root for Saints to get two more wins to finish 7th. 02) Root for Man U to win the FA Cup. 03) Root for Liverpool's opponents in League play so they finish 8th. and finally, 04) root for Liverpool to lose in the 90th minute to Seville in the Europa League Championship - So that they will go from the cusp of qualifying for CL to not being in Europe at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 Even better: 04) Liverpool and Sevilla draw after 120 minutes, and the decisive penalty kick is just like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 (edited) But then I think we would have 3 places as we are designated 1 league place, and 2 x cup places! Say if we won capital one cup and Palace won the FA cup, both finished outside 5th. You couldn't just take away one of those 3 designated places from one of the clubs because the bladdy scousers won Europa This is true. Which is why they're only saying the EL winner's CL place removes an EL place IF the CL winner is already an EL qualifier. It's also why the assumption is that 3 EL places remain if Liverpool finish outside the EL qualifying places. And now I've found the Access List, I'm pretty sure (finally) that's the case. The access list shows there are 6 European places plus the FA Cup winner. The Lge Cup winner gets one in England (and France). They only remove an EL place if Liverpool have already got one, otherwise it remains 3. Edited 6 May, 2016 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 If Liverpool finish 8th and win EL they trump 7th's place in Europe...England have a maximum of 7 teams in Europe next season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 OH actually maybe not. So yeah top 6 for sure, 7th and we need united to win the cup. 8th and there is no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 So in summary , it won't make a blind bit of difference if Liverpool win the Europa league or not . Or am I missing something Yeah, it doesn't actually matter by the looks of it. Which makes sense because the EL TH slot is meant to be independent of the national qualifying places anyway, they can only cost the Prem an EL slot only they can fill. I'm still pleased they're playing Sunday/Wednesday/Sunday/Wednesday and the EL Final is after the final prem match so they're going to struggle to focus, especially if Chelsea beat them 3 days before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 May, 2016 Share Posted 6 May, 2016 If Liverpool finish 8th and win EL they trump 7th's place in Europe...England have a maximum of 7 teams in Europe next season... Not true. Thought this for a while, but Liverpool can only lose an EL slot they've qualified for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 7 May, 2016 Share Posted 7 May, 2016 OH actually maybe not. Correct. So yeah top 6 for sure, Correct. 7th and we need united to win the cup. Correct. 8th and there is no chance. Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 9 May, 2016 Share Posted 9 May, 2016 Got there in the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunit Posted 9 May, 2016 Share Posted 9 May, 2016 OH actually maybe not. So yeah top 6 for sure, 7th and we need united to win the cup. 8th and there is no chance. But doesn't this all change if United beat Citeh to 4th spot? Which is highly likely now. Or does it stay the same since Citeh have already got a EL spot through the Capital One Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 9 May, 2016 Share Posted 9 May, 2016 But doesn't this all change if United beat Citeh to 4th spot? Which is highly likely now. Or does it stay the same since Citeh have already got a EL spot through the Capital One Cup? You've got it. Basically, 5th is a EL place, straight into the group stage, whatever. 6th is an EL place, but will be an automatic group stage place if Utd beat Palace. 7th will be a third qualifying EL place if Utd beat Palace. If Palace beat Utd, then the league positions will end at 6th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 9 May, 2016 Share Posted 9 May, 2016 Not sure how accurate this is, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 10 May, 2016 Share Posted 10 May, 2016 Not sure how accurate this is, but... Looks right to me--assuming I am correctly reading the slightly blurry parts. Really the chart should have been a bit bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 10 May, 2016 Share Posted 10 May, 2016 Sky Sports website now emphatically saying that 8th can qualify - even from here. I am reading on the app, so not sure how to cut and paste? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 10 May, 2016 Share Posted 10 May, 2016 Sky Sports website now emphatically saying that 8th can qualify - even from here. I am reading on the app, so not sure how to cut and paste? http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/10275547/the-premier-league-race-for-champions-league-and-europa-league-qualification "Defeat to Sevilla and an eighth-placed Premier League finish would see Liverpool miss out on European qualification altogether" Finally the penny has dropped. Maybe they have been reading our thread(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 10 May, 2016 Share Posted 10 May, 2016 The other question is should we qualify will the tickets be done on priority for those of us that made the aways in Europe last time or will it go on aways done this season? Since they didn't count the European aways against normal away priority this season for some strange reason. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 May, 2016 Share Posted 10 May, 2016 http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/10275547/the-premier-league-race-for-champions-league-and-europa-league-qualification "Defeat to Sevilla and an eighth-placed Premier League finish would see Liverpool miss out on European qualification altogether" Finally the penny has dropped. Maybe they have been reading our thread(s). We can always hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_saint Posted 10 May, 2016 Share Posted 10 May, 2016 The teams that we could play if we qualify are starting to filter through now...... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_UEFA_Europa_League#Qualifying_rounds No chance of a return to Southampton Square in Arnhem as they've failed to qualify this year. Inter Milan or Feyernood in the group stages could be fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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