VectisSaint

In case you get the opportunity might be best to avoid a handshake with Victor, it may be a family trait http://www.football-italia.net/83448/serie-b-mariga-ban-injuring-ref

But talks with Vic are happening. Ronald said so in press conference, with Les and agent (Ronald not involved). Don't think its clear cut at all that both or either will be off. Their ship sailed last summer, the same opportunities no longer exist in my view.

Maybe de Boer wants him in for when he takes over from Ronald in 2017.

Really not convinced anyone will come in with a serious offer for Vic anyway this Summer. Last year he was wanted. Arsenal would not go for him, and Spuds don't need him. Who else? Same with Mane in my opinion, their chance was last year and I don't see anyone seriously looking to take either off our hands this summer, at least not for what we would accept.

9 from 25 games, as opposed to our main striker who has the glorious amount of 10 from 27. Given Long has played many times as a winger/attacking MF rather than an out and out striker, actually getting 9 from 25 is a reasonably decent return. Mane by way of comparison has scored 7 from 34. (all data based on PL goals only). Yes if we need to improve we need a striker who can score more than 10 a season, but replacing Long is not the real answer is it? We need to upgrade #19 (and maybe we have with Austin). I think I'm right in saying that Pelle has played in more games when he hasn't scored that Long (no doubt someone will verify the accuracy of that statement). Of course its not all about their goals, there are other contributions that strikers make, but to have a go at Long really is missing the real point.

Nothing against Terry personally, but he was allegedly a nasty piece of work according to those that knew him, disliked by many in the Club. Doesn't take away from him being a great one-club man and a Saints hero. Same with Lawrie, his huge ego is what made him what he was. Is having a huge ego really that big a deal, for a football manager, after all some of the greatest are also guilty of the same, Mourinho, Fergie, Cloughy to name but three. If Lawrie was not liked by some in the Media, then hard luck, seems to be a plus point for him in my opinion. Well done Lawrie for ****ing off Media jerks , couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of ****s.

Why would they be docked points when the failed drugs test was after the Europa League match?

No need to send, its written clearly at the top of the Forum page. "100% Saints discussion. Please keep it on-topic and civil. Abusive behaviour is not welcomed." Pity so many do not follow the guidance and no-one does anything about it.

Lawro predicts 2-0 to us (fair enough) but thinks we are on course to follow last season's eighth-place finish with something very similar. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36091973

Everton are not top six. Vardy is all of the things you highlight, Leicester are "top one". You seem to have a vivid imagination when it comes to some of your observations about "foreign" players, if you seriously think Mane gets more vitriol than JWP or Steven Davis.

Couldn't decide between Ramirez and Lee, so decided to vote for Van Dijk instead. Really hard to see any genuine alternative.

Clearly must have been selected by Cortese, no-one else is capable of making such mistakes. Part of his legacy no doubt.

Top 4 guaranteed, technically not CL (even if you ignore that 4th place does not qualify for CL, only CL Qualifiers), but it would take Man City to win the CL and Liverpool to win the EL - ain't gonna happen is it. Also PL possible champions now down to 4 teams.

He was OK when assisted by Glynn Snodin, but poor before and after. Not really a major criticism, some managers have to have good backup staff to do well. Burley needed Snodin, just like Hoddle needed Gorman.

To make it simple for you, Din, "To some extent" means that in some respects, not all, not entirely. If you don't think the big lumps who pose as centre back footballers in the Championship and below do not knock seven bells out of players like Ramirez (lightweights) then fine, that's your opinion (possibly misguided according to my opinion and that of many others). But why do you have to continue to be so ****ing rude when people have a different opinion than you. Having a discussion where people have different views than you, is what Forums are about, but you are clearly unable to deal with that concept, and so just make yourself look a complete tit when you post. Clearly you also don't understand "musing", because if you did you would realise that it was posted as a thought. that's what musing is, thinking about possibilities. It was a possibility, but thankfully it did not come to fruition, as with many other "musings". You do seem to have a real problem distinguishing between suppositions, thought, musings, whatever you like to call them, and facts. But due to your lack of understanding you keep trotting out old quotes because you think its big to belittle other people, whilst not realising that by doing so you demonstrate time and again that you are a complete and utter *** Lets hope that we can return to some sort of discussion now, but I doubt it, maybe you will dig out another old post and quote out of context again, just to help if you want you could always go back and dig one out about Tadanari Lee.

Oh dear, thought it was only Big Din Fry that had comprehension issues.

Davis out. Will be a major miss, we really don't often perform well when he is missing.

Out for 2-3 weeks, might be available next week. Not a broken ankle in that case. Big miss.

Think the issue is that he just didn't fit into their systems, and can't be or won't be moulded to do so. With Poch he did not not have the fitness to play the pressing game effectively, with Ronald not so sure what the issue is because he is clearly more talented than Tadic and definitely works harder and tracks back more than him (though that is not saying much). His fitness had definitely held him back to an extent in the past though, he was still suffering from the dead leg he picked up 2 years ago at the start of the season and there was a report that he had fallen out with the Saints medics who he felt had not helped him fully recover from that. Seems to have been resolved now though as he is clearly working hard and being very effective at Boro, where to some extent it is tougher playing in the rough and tumble of the Championship.

You play with Tadic on Friday nights? Explains a lot I suppose.

At least three of those infringements would still be open to interpretation. Was he in an offside position when the ball was kicked or not, did the ball hit his hand/arm or not, did he actually touch the ball or not. Shirt pulling is probably the least open to interpretation but is also probably the least given foul out of that lot.

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Cracking save bu Fraser from Fonte as well. Jose knows where the goal is.

No way.

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