CWD Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11719_5405504,00.html I know he says that he would only want to drop to championship, but do you reckon MLT could tempt him here? What do you think of him as a manager? I for ne think he would be an inspired choice, deffo the man to take us back to the premier league. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Would prefer Dermot. Actually I'd accept him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Absolutely not. He only had a good start with Leeds because he was given an obscene amount of money to spend. They went into freefall as soon as the money dried up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordshire_saint Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Nope, wasn't actually a very good manager, wasted a lot of money, hasn't worked for a while now. We should give him a wide berth if he starts hawking his services around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Would probably get us promoted from L1 at a stroke, but really any one with an "aura" or a reputation could. You could call it "the Paul Ince rule". But we couldn't afford him and I think he'd want to spend too much for us, especially once we'd got into the CCC. So although he was successful at both clubs he's been at, its a no from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alright Dave Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Don't think i could listen to every interview of him going on about his babies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 29 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Absolutely not. He only had a good start with Leeds because he was given an obscene amount of money to spend. They went into freefall as soon as the money dried up. I understand what your saying about money, but he left Leeds when they were fifth in the PL, thats one very small freefall;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Stripe Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Sorry, is this the same tw*t that nearly backrupted Leeds - jog on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Idiot of a manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Timothy Leary would be an interesting choice. Although we could end up with all our players being banned for failing drug tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evo Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 The idea fills me with apathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evo Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Timothy Leary would be an interesting choice. Although we could end up with all our players being banned for failing drug tests. Michael O'Leary of Rynair "fame" would be an idea. Treats the workforce with contempt, refuses to allow union recognition and sacks anyone who tries to encourage membership. Makes staff pay for their own unifoms, lunch, interviews etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Sorry, is this the same tw*t that nearly backrupted Leeds - jog on! did he...was it his money..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 His record since leaving Leeds speaks for itself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Interesting that he talks about himself as a 3rd person in a few quotes. "Dave O'Leary needs to be working. Dave O'Leary doesn't want to be playing golf." On that basis alone, I say sign him up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Not sure why so many people are so down on O'Leary. He did reasonably well at Leeds and Villa. How can so many people rubbish O'Leary, and then put forward rubbish like Dowie and Shearer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 His record since leaving Leeds speaks for itself... not lost a game in the last 2 years!! cant get much better than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 did he...was it his money..? I have to agree. He was only guilty of following Risdale's crazy strategy. You can't argue that he didn't sign good players and that he didn't very nearly carry it off. Not sure he's the man for us though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Timothy Leary would be an interesting choice. Although we could end up with all our players being banned for failing drug tests. Timothy Leary's dead. No,no,no,no, he's outside looking in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Not sure why so many people are so down on O'Leary. He did reasonably well at Leeds and Villa. How can so many people rubbish O'Leary, and then put forward rubbish like Dowie and Shearer? that is the saints web forum for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribbo Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Would probably get us promoted from L1 at a stroke, but really any one with an "aura" or a reputation could. You could call it "the Paul Ince rule". But we couldn't afford him and I think he'd want to spend too much for us, especially once we'd got into the CCC. So although he was successful at both clubs he's been at, its a no from me. to be fair one of ince's plus points is that he can do a rare thing, coach mediocre players and get the best out of them, thats why he's done so well in lower leagues and so badly in the prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Not sure why so many people are so down on O'Leary. He did reasonably well at Leeds and Villa. How can so many people rubbish O'Leary, and then put forward rubbish like Dowie and Shearer? Well, quite. He's also got a reputation for developing kids at the top level (there were a fair few home-grown talents in with the likes of Keane and Ferdinand, which people seem to forget), has top level experience as player and manager, seems to be a decent coach too. I'd prefer him as manager over Dowie, Shearer, Keegan, Ince, Micky Adams, Le Tiss, Wotte, Poortvliet, Claus, Tessem, Dodd, Gorman, Burley or Steve Grant for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Has as much charisma as Burley (or a profound lack of it) that makes him difficult to be positive or energised by ! No thanks ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Has as much charisma as Burley (or a profound lack of it) that makes him difficult to be positive or energised by ! No thanks ! Whilst Arsene Wenger, David Moyes and Alex Ferguson positively exude charisma of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Whilst Arsene Wenger, David Moyes and Alex Ferguson positively exude charisma of course... whilst i agree....the 3 you mention have many more things going for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Timothy Leary would be an interesting choice. Although we could end up with all our players being banned for failing drug tests. Head Coach? p.s. 'Prince Jazzbo'... great stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 David O'Leary?!?! The man who spent Leeds all the way to near-closure? The man who advised his chairman to offer Seth Johnson a £40k a week salary when Johnson's own agent had planned to demand £15k a week? The same man who wasted a lot of money at Aston Villa for little or no return? He had a good side with Leeds for about a year, thats about all he has achieved. Genuinely think he is one of the worst managerial options out there and for suggesting him, you should be have gravel thrown at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsie Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Whilst Arsene Wenger, David Moyes and Alex Ferguson positively exude charisma of course... Compared with Georgie and O'Dreary, charisma pours out of their every pore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 I'd prefer him as manager over ... or Steve Grant for that matter. Now that's a new name thrown into the mixer. I like it. Let's start a campaign... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Now that's a new name thrown into the mixer. I like it. Let's start a campaign... Grant OUT !!!! :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 David O'Leary?!?! The man who spent Leeds all the way to near-closure? The man who advised his chairman to offer Seth Johnson a £40k a week salary when Johnson's own agent had planned to demand £15k a week? The same man who wasted a lot of money at Aston Villa for little or no return? He had a good side with Leeds for about a year, thats about all he has achieved. Genuinely think he is one of the worst managerial options out there and for suggesting him, you should be have gravel thrown at you. I think you've gone a bit over the top there. Risdale would have negotiated Johnson's salary, not O'Leary. And O'Leary worked to the budget that Risdale gave him, and it was Risdale who cooked up the idea of borrowing to fund players wages against guaranteed CL football. His career at Villa was mixed, but his first season was very good. He is hardly "one of the worst managerial options out there" and his work with young players at Leeds was exceptional. You name any other option for saints and I can bet they've never finished third, fifth and sixth in the Prem, and into the Semis of the Champion's League. And you can say "he bought it" but Mark Hughes spent more and finished nowhere near anything last season. Not that I think DOL would come here in a million years of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintmike666 Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Interesting that he talks about himself as a 3rd person in a few quotes. "Dave O'Leary needs to be working. Dave O'Leary doesn't want to be playing golf." On that basis alone, I say sign him up! That's the facebook effect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 I think you've gone a bit over the top there. Risdale would have negotiated Johnson's salary, not O'Leary. And O'Leary worked to the budget that Risdale gave him, and it was Risdale who cooked up the idea of borrowing to fund players wages against guaranteed CL football. His career at Villa was mixed, but his first season was very good. He is hardly "one of the worst managerial options out there" and his work with young players at Leeds was exceptional. You name any other option for saints and I can bet they've never finished third, fifth and sixth in the Prem, and into the Semis of the Champion's League. And you can say "he bought it" but Mark Hughes spent more and finished nowhere near anything last season. Not that I think DOL would come here in a million years of course. George Graham and Howard Wilkinson both won the title during their managerial careers but I dont see a clamour for them. O' Leary spent an absolute fortune at Leeds and if memory serves, was responsible for many a big money signing at Villa; Bosko Balaban and Juan Angel being examples of his acumen when coming to picking up pricy players and getting the square root of sod-all out of them on the pitch. Kevin Keegan left before getting Newcastle into the Champions League but he got them promoted and had them finish 6th, 3rd and 2nd before resigning. I'd wager he spent less than O'Leary at Leeds and had Newcastle playing infinitely better football. Yes, he didnt get them to the Champions League semi but following a favourable route and a couple of lucky results here and there, almost any side that competes in the competition is capable of a run to the latter stages. His work at Leeds was decent but lets look at the young players at his disposal... Woodgate, Rio Ferdinand, James Milner, Alan Smith (when he looked like a young Alan Shearer), Harry Kewell, Paul Robinson etc... Not a bad batch of kids and as much as I'd like to think so, our crop of youngsters really arent of that ilk. With regard to one of the worst managerial options out there, for a manager who has a consistent record of managing clubs with plenty of money to spend and having nothing to show for it, I would say he is one of the worst options. Would you trust him with a £15m transfer kitty? I know I wouldnt trust him with a £15 beer kitty. As for transfer negotiations, its usually a managers job to give the chairman an idea of what would be required wage-wise to get them to move. Strachan used to when he was with us, I'd imagine O'Leary would do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 1. O'Leary didn't sign Angel or Balaban. They were there long before he was. 2. Angel was actually pretty damn good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 No Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Well, quite. He's also got a reputation for developing kids at the top level (there were a fair few home-grown talents in with the likes of Keane and Ferdinand, which people seem to forget), has top level experience as player and manager, seems to be a decent coach too. I'd prefer him as manager over Dowie, Shearer, Keegan, Ince, Micky Adams, Le Tiss, Wotte, Poortvliet, Claus, Tessem, Dodd, Gorman, Burley or Steve Grant for that matter. I can see your point and broadly agree but choosing two players who he bought (for good money) from other clubs is probably not very well advised. Yes they made a profit on Rio but they paid a lot for a relatively inexperienced player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Only a couple of years ago, when his name was mentioned as a possible successor to one of the Lowe dumped clan, there was outrage that Dreary O'leary was even considered.....amazing how perpsectives change... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Only a couple of years ago' date=' when his name was mentioned as a possible successor to one of the Lowe dumped clan, there was outrage that Dreary O'leary was even considered.....amazing [b']how perpsectives change[/b]... or league positions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Sorry, is this the same tw*t that nearly backrupted Leeds - jog on! No, that would be Peter Ridsdale. The very same Peter Ridsdale that is now trying to do the same thing at Cardiff. 'Jog on' are you trying to mug me off? I'll open you up, you slag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 I would have Wotte over O'Leary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 or league positions True, but ideally what are we after? A decent young manager who has the talent to grow with the club and stay long term, or a short term fix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 The idea fills me with apathy. So much apathy that it motivated you to write a comment on a messageboard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 I can see your point and broadly agree but choosing two players who he bought (for good money) from other clubs is probably not very well advised. Yes they made a profit on Rio but they paid a lot for a relatively inexperienced player. Well I did say "young players IN WITH the two he bought"... I wasn't using Keane and Rio as examples of his youth-developing skills. However, it's testament to O'Leary's managerial ability that so many of the young players he blooded, even when there was plenty of money being thrown at the team, are still playing at a high level. Whilst accepting that some of those players are indeed very good and they'd have made it anyway, you can still ruin them with mistreatment, or refusal to give them a chance (what might Cranie, Dyer, Blackstock, Best, Matt Mills have achieved already handled differently?) Compare O'Leary's success in getting young players assimilated to, say, Redknapp at Saints and what he did with what we had... we all knew Walcott was something special (and I dare say Redknapp would love to take the credit), but Nathan Dyer never quite recovered from his trauma at the time (notably Reading and Mansfield), whilst "even" the maligned Burley took a gamble on Baird and Bale to great effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Well I did say "young players IN WITH the two he bought"... I wasn't using Keane and Rio as examples of his youth-developing skills. However, it's testament to O'Leary's managerial ability that so many of the young players he blooded, even when there was plenty of money being thrown at the team, are still playing at a high level. Whilst accepting that some of those players are indeed very good and they'd have made it anyway, you can still ruin them with mistreatment, or refusal to give them a chance (what might Cranie, Dyer, Blackstock, Best, Matt Mills have achieved already handled differently?) Compare O'Leary's success in getting young players assimilated to, say, Redknapp at Saints and what he did with what we had... we all knew Walcott was something special (and I dare say Redknapp would love to take the credit), but Nathan Dyer never quite recovered from his trauma at the time (notably Reading and Mansfield), whilst "even" the maligned Burley took a gamble on Baird and Bale to great effect. Fair comment, I think 'Arry ruined Griffit as well, I really think he had potential and could certainly have gone on to do well, had Arry not shipped him up to Rotherham then slagged him off for not adjusting... the tunc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Timothy Leary's dead. No,no,no,no, he's outside looking in. I thought - he's showing his age, remembering a song like that. Then I remembered that I knew it too........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 Head Coach? Thought this was worth at least one lol. I'm wasted on here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 (edited) Thought this was worth at least one lol. I'm wasted on here... I s******ed - any good? I Sn iggered - any good? Edited 29 June, 2009 by RonManager bloody filter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 29 June, 2009 Share Posted 29 June, 2009 I s******ed - any good? That's top filtering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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