NickG Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Interviewed on Solent this morning, they are talking over offer (not sure if he meant offer from outside or offer from Saints) but is hoping to keep Rasiak now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Interviewed on Solent this morning, they are talking over offer (not sure if he meant offer from outside or offer from Saints) but is hoping to keep Rasiak now. Offer from other club according to Echo. Thing is with Rasiak, will a Championship club (cos i assume thats who it would be) be willing to meet his current wages ? Its a big stumbling block it seems otherwise surely with his track record in the Championship he would have been snapped up long before now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowsaintsfan Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Id love to keep Rasiak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Now we have the safety net of ML's money, offer Rasiak extra cash. Money talks and all that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Now we have the safety net of ML's money, offer Rasiak extra cash. Money talks and all that.... I dont think he has a problem with his salary, I think its just the prospect of playing in League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareham saint phil Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 He says he wants to move and apart from the hearts game he has played like it as well, as much as he would score alot of goals in this league he feels he is better than it so we should be prepared for him to sod off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Hope he stays, I like singing that Rasiak song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel City Saint Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Wants him to play at CB as cover for Perry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Hope he can stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 This is a marriage made in heaven isn't it - player who doesn't really want to be here stays at club who'd rather have somebody else ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 I dont think he has a problem with his salary, I think its just the prospect of playing in League 1. On Saints Player interview, Pardew says Rasiak and Saga are most concerned about international careers, and whether they will get picked if playing in League 1. Says he told them if they are banging in goals then it wouldn't be a problem! Can't argue with that imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 I'd like us to keep one of Saga or Rasiak, but I think they'll both head off to try and keep their international carreers heading in the right - banging in goals against Lge 1 defences may not be considered as worthy as scoring against higher league teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 If he goes, which looks likely, we should spend what we get for him getting in ricky lambert he would be the ideal replacement for him and its about time we started flexing some muscle in the market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 On Saints Player interview, Pardew says Rasiak and Saga are most concerned about international careers, and whether they will get picked if playing in League 1. Says he told them if they are banging in goals then it wouldn't be a problem! Can't argue with that imo. Well, you can argue with it. You can put forward a very strong arguement in fact. That argument goes along the lines of just because you can score goals in a crap league against crap defenders, it does not mean you will be able to perform against defenders, most of whom will be playing in the top flight against the very best. Rasiak and Saga will not be coming up against the same quality as they would in an international, so if they are picked for Poland the chances are they won't be able to cope. This is exactly what the two strikers will be thinking, it's what the Polish manager will be thinking and I am sure it is also what Pardew is thinking, as he desparately tries to hang onto them. If I were either of these players I would be thinking exactly the same thing. I would be looking to get out and I don't think anyone should blame them. Let's not forget that it wasn't that long ago Rasiak was at Tottenham in the Prem and that Saga was playing champions league football......are we really expecting them to stay for L1 football? It's not even as if we have a great chance of being back in the CCC next season. I would be very surprised if either are here for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthred Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 rasiak to swansea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Wants him to play at CB as cover for Perry! Can we get Saga to cover for Thomas too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 rasiak to swansea Both to Man City I reckon, bit of a striker shortage there I believe ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan56 Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Just get this deluded, underskilled and overpaid arsehole out of our club. Utter garbage who richly deserves his name LAZIAK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Just get this deluded, underskilled and overpaid arsehole out of our club. Utter garbage who richly deserves his name LAZIAK. You talk rubbish mate and have little understanding of football that is toilet banter not considered expertise on the game.......We had 11 young energetic headless chickens last year and look where we ended up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Just out of interest does anyone know when the last time Rasiak actually played in an international was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 I would like to keep Greg,but only if he WANTS to play for us,otherwise he will be of little use to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 I have never been Rasiaks biggest fan but we need a striker and IF motivated he will be ideal and score bundles in league 1. If we can get a nice pacey striker to play alongside him then all the better. Saga can go as far as I am concerned. Bar his little spell whilst trying to earn a permanent move to Saints he has been as disappointing as that other flop Rudi Skacel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamLeGod Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 You talk rubbish mate and have little understanding of football that is toilet banter not considered expertise on the game.......We had 11 young energetic headless chickens last year and look where we ended up! Im sorry but I agree, I think this is the time for a fresh start, he does seem to suffer from delusions of grandeur and seems rather unintrested in saints. I would like to see a clear out of players in the Rasiak/Saga mould and get in some players who are hungry and want to play for the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Im sorry but I agree, I think this is the time for a fresh start, he does seem to suffer from delusions of grandeur and seems rather unintrested in saints. I would like to see a clear out of players in the Rasiak/Saga mould and get in some players who are hungry and want to play for the club yes, as they are flying into th club at the mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/swansea_city/8179154.stm Looks like Swansea have other targets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 I think we need to cut our losses & PAY MONEY for a couple of players who have scored goals in this division. We've been found wanting a little bit, and have let BWP, McG & John go, with Rasiak & Saga probably soon to follow. We SO should have signed Sam Vokes last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 I read he was prepared to take a pay cut to go to Watford, so we should expect him to do the same here.I doubt he will though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 He either stays and knuckles down or goes.........if he is not 100% then he should sod off in my view.........Rasiak committed might change my somewhat negative view of him............Rasiak less than 100% doesn't warrant a game frankly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg_hill Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Well, you can argue with it. You can put forward a very strong arguement in fact. That argument goes along the lines of just because you can score goals in a crap league against crap defenders, it does not mean you will be able to perform against defenders, most of whom will be playing in the top flight against the very best. Rasiak and Saga will not be coming up against the same quality as they would in an international, so if they are picked for Poland the chances are they won't be able to cope. This is exactly what the two strikers will be thinking, it's what the Polish manager will be thinking and I am sure it is also what Pardew is thinking, as he desparately tries to hang onto them. If I were either of these players I would be thinking exactly the same thing. I would be looking to get out and I don't think anyone should blame them. Let's not forget that it wasn't that long ago Rasiak was at Tottenham in the Prem and that Saga was playing champions league football......are we really expecting them to stay for L1 football? It's not even as if we have a great chance of being back in the CCC next season. I would be very surprised if either are here for long. I know that's a popular theory but I'm not sure I agree with it. Playing against lower level opposition and scoring more goals can automatically generate confidence in a player that can carry over when competing against stronger opposition. I've seen it myself on several occasions. If Saga or Rasiak can be picked for Poland when scoring, say, one goal in three in the CCC I don't think they will automatically be ignored if they score one in two against L1 opposition. Your opinion that: "this is exactly what the Polish manager will be thinking" is opinion presented as fact and I find someone presumptuous, especially since you don't even know the manager's name :-) Then again, it could very well be correct but I just wanted to point out your theory is not the only possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 I know that's a popular theory but I'm not sure I agree with it. Playing against lower level opposition and scoring more goals can automatically generate confidence in a player that can carry over when competing against stronger opposition. I've seen it myself on several occasions. If Saga or Rasiak can be picked for Poland when scoring, say, one goal in three in the CCC I don't think they will automatically be ignored if they score one in two against L1 opposition. Your opinion that: "this is exactly what the Polish manager will be thinking" is opinion presented as fact and I find someone presumptuous, especially since you don't even know the manager's name :-) Then again, it could very well be correct but I just wanted to point out your theory is not the only possibility. It is correct and if you disagree I will find you and hurt you bad. Apologise and we'll say no more about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 I know that's a popular theory but I'm not sure I agree with it. Playing against lower level opposition and scoring more goals can automatically generate confidence in a player that can carry over when competing against stronger opposition. I've seen it myself on several occasions. If Saga or Rasiak can be picked for Poland when scoring, say, one goal in three in the CCC I don't think they will automatically be ignored if they score one in two against L1 opposition. Your opinion that: "this is exactly what the Polish manager will be thinking" is opinion presented as fact and I find someone presumptuous, especially since you don't even know the manager's name :-) Then again, it could very well be correct but I just wanted to point out your theory is not the only possibility. Well Beckham and Cappello do not agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester_Saint Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 yes, as they are flying into th club at the mo I don't understand people like you who never fail to see or point out any sort of negative aspect with anything! A month ago there were threads on here with people debating what team they would support if Saints folded, which looked very possible. We now have a very bright future and a terrific proven English manager who has told us all he is working on getting people in and to expect new faces in the coming weeks. Yet you still feel the need for a sarcastic comment about the lack of new players coming in! Cmon 'Thedelldays' you seriously need to put things into perspective and cheer up a bit! The players will come! Pardew knows what he's doing and finding and recruiting the right people clearly takes time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Interviewed on Solent this morning, they are talking over offer (not sure if he meant offer from outside or offer from Saints) but is hoping to keep Rasiak now. Please let this be true. Ras can and will score the goals to give us a good chance of getting out of this league. AP, put your arm around him and promise to make him the key man up front. If Saga isn't interested in staying then get a pacy partner for him to play off. Come on Greg, give us a chance. You could be a hero this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Please let this be true. Ras can and will score the goals to give us a good chance of getting out of this league. AP, put your arm around him and promise to make him the key man up front. If Saga isn't interested in staying then get a pacy partner for him to play off. Come on Greg, give us a chance. You could be a hero this season. Why is he not playing at the moment at QPR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartosz Bialkowski Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Why is he not playing at the moment at QPR He is now, on for Patterson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 On Saints Player interview, Pardew says Rasiak and Saga are most concerned about international careers, and whether they will get picked if playing in League 1. Says he told them if they are banging in goals then it wouldn't be a problem! Can't argue with that imo. Really find this argument a bit lame, and it seems like its just an excuse. The Polish manager already knows how Ras and Saga play, he has played them many times. They don't suddenly become useless because they play in L1 (unless of course they are already useless). Why are these two so concerned about their international "career" - it is their club football that pays the rent, half a dozen mainly meaningless international strolls a season. No, they may be saying they are worried about their international career, but in truth this is just code for "we want to be paid more and whether or not we actually get a game at a higher level thats all we are actually interested in" (and who can blame them after the shabby way they were treated last season). International career ********, more wonga thats the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Now we have the safety net of ML's money, offer Rasiak extra cash. Money talks and all that.... I would love rasiak to stay but to suggest throwing more money at his contract just because we have an owner worth a bit is utter lunacy, so I assume your tongue is firmly in your cheek. Throwing unwarranted amounts of cash around is what is shafting football, so I am personally pleased that the club are taking a sensible attitude to spending. Having said that, I'd like the sensible spending to start soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 He is now, on for Patterson Yes but if he was going to play him surely he should have played from the start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsent Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 I don't understand people like you who never fail to see or point out any sort of negative aspect with anything! A month ago there were threads on here with people debating what team they would support if Saints folded, which looked very possible. We now have a very bright future and a terrific proven English manager who has told us all he is working on getting people in and to expect new faces in the coming weeks. Yet you still feel the need for a sarcastic comment about the lack of new players coming in! Cmon 'Thedelldays' you seriously need to put things into perspective and cheer up a bit! The players will come! Pardew knows what he's doing and finding and recruiting the right people clearly takes time The Millwall game in just 7 days is key to how the club fares this season. It would have been brilliant to be just 7 points adrift before the other teams even kick off. The team and the fans would have confidence. There has been plenty of time to get new players in and all we've managed to add is a decent full-back. As it stands, the team we have available will be no match at all for Millwall on Saturday. They are a very good L1 team and are expected to challenge at the top of the table. If Rasiak and Saganowski go before next Saturday then we'll have no experience in attack and very little in defence. People are rightly concerned that we could be 15-18 points adrift of safety by the time the transfer window closes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Really find this argument a bit lame, and it seems like its just an excuse. The Polish manager already knows how Ras and Saga play, he has played them many times. They don't suddenly become useless because they play in L1 (unless of course they are already useless). Why are these two so concerned about their international "career" - it is their club football that pays the rent, half a dozen mainly meaningless international strolls a season. No, they may be saying they are worried about their international career, but in truth this is just code for "we want to be paid more and whether or not we actually get a game at a higher level thats all we are actually interested in" (and who can blame them after the shabby way they were treated last season). International career ********, more wonga thats the issue. There is a world cup next summer and both would want to be involved with Poland I would have thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 There is a world cup next summer and both would want to be involved with Poland I would have thought Yes, but when was the last time Rasiak played for Poland? The manager thinks he is past it IMO, and it's clear he doesn't play regularly in ANY league. I'd have thought starting regularly and scoring - proving he is fit and in form - would count for more than warming the bench for Watford or some other CCC side. I reckon THAT is why he hasn't been picked for the national side for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Yes, but when was the last time Rasiak played for Poland? The manager thinks he is past it IMO, and it's clear he doesn't play regularly in ANY league. I'd have thought starting regularly and scoring - proving he is fit and in form - would count for more than warming the bench for Watford or some other CCC side. I reckon THAT is why he hasn't been picked for the national side for some time. Based on the last two games, he isn't even picked as a starter at Saints - and was lazy as hell for the half hour he was on at QPR. (Guess who came closest to scoring, though.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Just get this deluded, underskilled and overpaid arsehole out of our club. Utter garbage who richly deserves his name LAZIAK. I agree. He loves himself and only tries when he feels like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 only tries when he feels like it. Could say the same about MLT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 Could say the same about MLT You could also say MLT was/is passionate about SFC. I somewhat doubt Rasiak shares that same passion for our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 You could also say MLT was/is passionate about SFC. I somewhat doubt Rasiak shares that same passion for our club. I honestly don't think Rasiak even wants to play football. Money is all he cares about. It's not a question of whether we can afford to lose him, rather can we afford to keep him? His bad attitude isn't good for team morale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 I honestly don't think Rasiak even wants to play football. Money is all he cares about. It's not a question of whether we can afford to lose him, rather can we afford to keep him? His bad attitude isn't good for team morale. Point is he has never been a blood n' guts, run your heart out player. However, in our current line up he's the only genuine goal scorer we have. The attitude thing is your perception and may not be true. Either way I bet you won't find a player in the UK who would turn down more money or not want to play internationally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 August, 2009 Share Posted 1 August, 2009 He says he wants to move and apart from the hearts game he has played like it as well, as much as he would score alot of goals in this league he feels he is better than it so we should be prepared for him to sod off he's been decent in every preseason game so far and looked very much `up for it'. We need quality throughout the side and my worry would be that if Saga and Rasiak left would we be able to identify affordable quality players willing to play in L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan56 Posted 2 August, 2009 Share Posted 2 August, 2009 You talk rubbish mate and have little understanding of football that is toilet banter not considered expertise on the game.......We had 11 young energetic headless chickens last year and look where we ended up! Utter rubbish you spout. Knowledge of football is totally irrelevant when you are making a point about someones inherent character. Laziak is disinterested and has no desire to play for us. He is merely concerned with collecting the Zlotys and feeding his grossly inflated ego. In order to make this point you need a modicum of knowledge about the greed culture, all too prevalent in football and the psyche that drives people (particularly overpaid, dim footballers) today. It has absolutely nothing to do with any knowledge of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan56 Posted 2 August, 2009 Share Posted 2 August, 2009 he's been decent in every preseason game so far and looked very much `up for it'. We need quality throughout the side and my worry would be that if Saga and Rasiak left would we be able to identify affordable quality players willing to play in L1. Laziak decent in the game v Bomo??? You have got to be joking. People were on his back after 10 mins for bottling tackles and frankly just looking totally uncommitted to anything or anyone. A total waster.Get shot soonest!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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