NickG Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_2/8186241.stm Pardew. Think if he plays as I think he can could be very influential for us (one of my tips of player of season on that thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 not being argumentative BUT i didn't notice him!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Certainly the only midfielder who made any possitive impact on the game. Looked like a fish up a tree last season, let's hope a few quality players around him this year will take the pressure off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Excellent in the first half, got on the ball a lot, controlled the game. Had a couple of cracking efforts, and some beautiful long passing. Second half was pretty anonymous. The thing is Scneiderlin needs to be protected to play to his best. See Xabi Alonso. If we could protect him with someone other than Wotton (who isn't good enough imo), then we could get a hell of a lot out of him. Gillett would be better in that position, but I guess Pardew wants some midfield experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 not being argumentative BUT i didn't notice him!!! Did you watch the same game as me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK the 2nd Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 I thought he did ok in the holding midfield role. However it was his poor pass that lead to the Millwall attack and their penalty and subsequently their equaliser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Excellent in the first half, got on the ball a lot, controlled the game. Had a couple of cracking efforts, and some beautiful long passing. Second half was pretty anonymous. The thing is Scneiderlin needs to be protected to play to his best. See Xabi Alonso. If we could protect him with someone other than Wotton (who isn't good enough imo), then we could get a hell of a lot out of him. Gillett would be better in that position, but I guess Pardew wants some midfield experience. Like the curates egg, he was good in parts. Didn't realise he was playing for first 10-15 minutes. Then he came alive, and showed some great vision in the rest of the 1st half. 2nd half once Pato went off and the system changed he was completely anonymous. He has the makings of a great player, I think AP has more idea what to do with him, and we will see him develop, but he has a long way to go. I think he will be better when played with Gillett to protect and allow him to get forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 He was pretty good some nice touches. I was really more impressed by the new full backs and Pato who we really missed when he came off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 not being argumentative BUT i didn't notice him!!! I think the view from the Itchen must be different to everywhere else. The only decent passing by the midfield came from him until Gillet replaced the dire Lloyd James who just kept giving the ball away. Morgan could be outstanding in this league but he needs more support than Lallana James and a too deep Wotton can ever provide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 he was brilliant in the most part..one wayward pass that ultimately punished us (well, we had chances to clear the ball after that).. plays like that this season not many will be better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 He had those two long shots but i am not sure what else he did. The midfield needs new faces to link with those upfront. Lallana did a bit of this but was wasted on the wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 August, 2009 He did several turns and passes (and two long range shots) that I doubt whether anyone else on the pitch would have the ability to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Have to say as well I was so impressed with Paterson, he really was excellent, and will create a lot of trouble for defences, namely because he is a **** of a lot faster than people think, and bloody good in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Did you watch the same game as me? Not sure mate to be honest, hate these early ko games, in the pub at 10.30!!!! In all fairness to young Schneriden, I kept getting confused between him and Llanna, both young tall with dark cropped hair!!! Note to Pardew, make Llanna and Schneriden wear different coloured luminous hats, so old **** heads can id them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Thought MS was excellent yesterday. His passing was good (except for the one that led to the penalty). What I really liked was that he kept on his feet - didn't dive into tackles and nicked the ball off them numerous times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Good spell in 1st half, but quiet 2nd. Needs some class either side of him, noticed the 2 "wide" men were very narrow and didn allow him to pass out wide (was always looking) Crosses yesterday came only from Harding (like this look of this guy) now need to invest in one or two decent wide men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Not sure mate to be honest, hate these early ko games, in the pub at 10.30!!!! In all fairness to young Schneriden, I kept getting confused between him and Llanna, both young tall with dark cropped hair!!! Note to Pardew, make Llanna and Schneriden wear different coloured luminous hats, so old **** heads can id them! Lallana is a lot shorter than Schneiderlin to be fair. Probably about 6 inches difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Have to say as well I was so impressed with Paterson, he really was excellent, and will create a lot of trouble for defences, namely because he is a **** of a lot faster than people think, and bloody good in the air. It's amazing how 2 people at the same game watching the same players can have completely different opinions on one player! I thought he was poor, seemed to light weight, seemed scared of putting his foot in, scared to get hurt!!! As I say amazing, but thats the appeal of football, different opinions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Had my vote for MOTM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 It's amazing how 2 people at the same game watching the same players can have completely different opinions on one player! I thought he was poor, seemed to light weight, seemed scared of putting his foot in, scared to get hurt!!! As I say amazing, but thats the appeal of football, different opinions! It is weird isn't it, but I suppose people always look for different things as well in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Lallana is a lot shorter than Schneiderlin to be fair. Probably about 6 inches difference. 6 inches from 2 3rd's up the stand, in the corner with 1 eye shut to focus is nothing :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 It is weird isn't it, but I suppose people always look for different things as well in a game. Ahhhhhhhhhhh I see where your trying to go with this. No I'm not a negative, I don't just sit there and complain, moan etc. For what its worth I thought the back 5 were excellent, thought Murty and Harding had great debut's, I also thought that Saga had a decent game, but my son thought he was ****e!!! As I say, all about opinions, if we all had the same it would make for a boring Sunday afternoon up the pub!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 He played well up untill about 60-70mins, he lost confidence after that short pass - which kind of sums him up at the mo. Possibly down to a bit of mental fatigue if anything, you've got to remember he's still only an 18 year old! You can see why premiership clubs are after him and IMO he could become the player that everything flows through in this team - he just needs someone next to him who knows this league, and is decent (n/o wotton) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Ahhhhhhhhhhh I see where your trying to go with this. No I'm not a negative, I don't just sit there and complain, moan etc. For what its worth I thought the back 5 were excellent, thought Murty and Harding had great debut's, I also thought that Saga had a decent game, but my son thought he was ****e!!! As I say, all about opinions, if we all had the same it would make for a boring Sunday afternoon up the pub!! Sorry, what? All I was saying is that people look for different things. As you said earlier you thought Paterson didn't put his foot in enough, whereas for a target man I don't think that's his job, so didn't rate his performance on that. That's all. Someone's got your back up methinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 6 inches from 2 3rd's up the stand, in the corner with 1 eye shut to focus is nothing :-) Haha!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrimd Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 I thought he started slowly, got into the game mid way into first half and then faded badly in the second. Interesting how his performance in the game matched the team performance! Just looked a bit short of match fitness, he didn't seem to figure much in pre-season so was quite suprised to see him start. In my view of his performance in 1 word - encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin C Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Sounds strange but he is too good for league 1 and not good enough at the same time. He is not suited to this league but would do better in the prem as when it gets tough in this league he may be a bit light weight and not up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Sorry, what? All I was saying is that people look for different things. As you said earlier you thought Paterson didn't put his foot in enough, whereas for a target man I don't think that's his job, so didn't rate his performance on that. That's all. Someone's got your back up methinks Your right mate, we do all look for different things. For me, I just wanted Paterson to put his foot in when the ball was there to be challenged for. I'm not expecting him to track back and make challenges in our box, just wanted to see him challenge Millwalls defenders when, imo, the ball was there to be won! I'm not wound up Bud, just trying to shake the fuzzy cloud from my head, ready to hit the pub :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Haha!! 3 to go - exciting I'll bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Sounds strange but he is too good for league 1 and not good enough at the same time. He is not suited to this league but would do better in the prem as when it gets tough in this league he may be a bit light weight and not up for it. Funny, me and my mates were having the same conversation but about Jamie White, sort of saying he'd need a bit more muscle, strength to handle this league, comparing him to Owen, saying Owen is a class striker in the prem/international but would struggle in this league as the ref's don't protect the players and allow them to be musceled of the ball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 3 to go - exciting I'll bet It is isn't it, got to make sure I don't waste them...damn!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 No one should doubt this lads technical ability , we saw glimpses of that last season and again yesterday , the question is can he turn natural ball skills into being a truly effect player in the lower leagues of British football . The only answer for the moment seems to be a definite maybe . You could say much the same of Adam Lallana by the way . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 A couple of long range efforts do not make a good player. He has great ability on the ball but if he wants to play central midfield then he needs to put a shift in off the ball. He was one of the main reasons we lost control of the game second half. He did not put a tackle in or close down any of their midfield players. Wotton didn't help but we are pretty limited for holding defensive midfielders that can tackle at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Had my vote for MOTM And mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 He got my vote for MOTM in the match reaction thread. Along with Lallana, this lad is the most technically gifted player we have at the club. His touch and control is second to none, and his passing ability is superb. It was a great bit of vision to try and lob the keeper too, and had it come off we would have had an early contender for the 'Goal of the Season' award. I have always defended Schneiderlin when he's been criticised on here, and yesterday's game goes some way to justifying that. If he can reproduce these types of performances on a regular basis, then he could be a star for us over the course of this season. I still believe that he'll end up playing in The Premiership one day too! Oh and by the way, I've got a new song for him. Once Rasiak goes, we'll still be able to use the 'Baby Give It Up' tune after all! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIgeG3qulgg&feature=PlayList&p=889F86A9F6D81013&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=15 Na na na na na na na na na na naaa Morgan Schneiderlin, Schneiderlin! Morgan Schneiderlin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_barmy_saints_army Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Excellent in the first half, got on the ball a lot, controlled the game. Had a couple of cracking efforts, and some beautiful long passing. Second half was pretty anonymous. A bit like saints in general then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Schneiderlin plays deep and specialises in accurate long passes ! Wotton plays deep and specialises in not a lot ! It is not a good, natural central midfield pairing, particularly as James and Lallana do not provide pace or width ! IMO the midfield was the weakness yesterday and did little to protect the defence or support the attack ! Mills and/or Holmes will definitely give us better shape and I still reckon that Gillet is a better bet than Wotton alongside Schneiderlin but then again I am not the manager ! I'm sure that AP has been able to assess his players better after their first competitive game and let's hope that he can fill the gaps pretty quickly ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Thought the two long range efforts were impessive he definitely has the skill but didn't see him as man of the match for me, that was Harding less skill but he stuck to his task like a demon one of the best defensive displays I've seen from a saints player for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 August, 2009 add Holmes/Mills for width as an outlet for his passing and to give more room etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painswick Saint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 I thought he had a very good match yesterday, although he fatigued significantly as the second half went on. Some of his passing was superb. My worry is that his style of play may not be suited to League 1 - I would love to be proved wrong, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 August, 2009 I thought he had a very good match yesterday, although he fatigued significantly as the second half went on. Some of his passing was superb. My worry is that his style of play may not be suited to League 1 - I would love to be proved wrong, though doesn't matter what league it is, its about quality of players. If good players didn't work in league 1, Man City would buy a load of league 1 lumps and win the premiership! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 To allow Schneiderlin to flourish he must have two wide outlets and two strikers together with a dynamic up and down footballer alongside him in midfield not a pale imitation of an arm waving italian cop on point duty. Wotton seems to think sitting deep, running in ever decreasing circles, giving a good proportion of his passes to the opposition or dropping his own players in it, is what makes a holding midfielder. He is part of the problem and nowhere near part of the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Not sure mate to be honest, hate these early ko games, in the pub at 10.30!!!! In all fairness to young Schneriden, I kept getting confused between him and Llanna, both young tall with dark cropped hair!!! Note to Pardew, make Llanna and Schneriden wear different coloured luminous hats, so old **** heads can id them! How much had you drunk? Lallana looks like a throwback to the 70s skinhead era, or something out of a Romanian orphanage (or both). Shaved head with jug ears. Whereas Spiderman had a thick head of black hair, much longer than in his profile shot on the OS. Unless of course you are referring to someone else altogether I assume Scheriden is meant to be Spiderman/Schneiderlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Lallana is a lot shorter than Schneiderlin to be fair. Probably about 6 inches difference. 3 to be pedantic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Think MS will be really useful once we have a properly set up midfield - one with Left sided players in the left and right sided players on the right. haven't had that for about 3 years of course! Also he WILL be inconsistent this season. He's ONLY 18 FFS, at any other club he'd still be getting experience from the bench before getting loaned out NEXT year for experience! (Another great Rupes plan) Which, at the end of the day will be the problem with the other youngsters - how many CONSISTENT games they can produce. If it was me I would be planning on 20-25 decent games from Gillett, Lallana, MS and James with them covering each other's positions. The other youngsters should give us 10/15 good appearnces in a season, so would be cover for the older heads like Holmes and the ones we need to bring in. (which is sort of what I would expect Surman to get at Wolves) If we're planning for next season to really be ready to push for promotion then I'd have a fiver on this being the basic strategy. Also the same applies to Patterson, no way we can expect a youngster to last 40 odd games at this level at his age, think he'll be very useful for us but needs a break now and then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 Was very happy to see someone try to beat the keeper from distance with a shot out of nothing keep it up if a few start to fly in the boys confidence will rocket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 He had one great game early last season and then disappeared. What we need this season is 100% fitness - physical and more importantly mental - from beginning to end of the season. All our young players have talent, or they wouldn't be in the squad. What they need this year, is to apply that talent BUT when it isn't working, just muck in and fight with the team. Grind out a performance, playing badly but WORKING hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 A couple of long range efforts do not make a good player. He has great ability on the ball but if he wants to play central midfield then he needs to put a shift in off the ball. He was one of the main reasons we lost control of the game second half.He did not put a tackle in or close down any of their midfield players. Wotton didn't help but we are pretty limited for holding defensive midfielders that can tackle at the moment. Pardew said that all the substitutions were due to fatigue which probably explains why he was less effective in the 2nd half. I suspect he is still not match fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 August, 2009 He's only 19. He was 18 when he came over last year. Arsen Wenger has been on record saying that he doesn't expect players signed from overseas to perform to the full in the first 12 months due to impact of new country (personally as well as football). That is for older more experienced players - a lad coming over must be even harder. He joined a team in disarray with fans divided etc. He is quite possibly the best player we have (and have had for a little while). Hope he starts showing what I am sure he can do for us this season. He has represented France at U16, U17, U18 -as Capt and U19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted 9 August, 2009 Share Posted 9 August, 2009 A couple of long range efforts do not make a good player. He has great ability on the ball but if he wants to play central midfield then he needs to put a shift in off the ball. He was one of the main reasons we lost control of the game second half. He did not put a tackle in or close down any of their midfield players. Wotton didn't help but we are pretty limited for holding defensive midfielders that can tackle at the moment. Pleased it wasn't just me, that pretty much mirrors my thoughts on how he played. I think he has the ability to really take the **** in this league but I think his attitude is a little lacking; can't say that I blame him mind, you stick me in the French third division and I would struggle to drum up some passion too. If him and Lallana play to the best of their ability this year we will be half way there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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