saints_is_the_south Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Can't see what Pardew see's in him when we have Gillett ready & waiting & who is far better? Can't be just experience surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 cant be just experience - we are not the young team we had last season. still just as poor thou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 I've mentioned on other threads that his skills are limited even for this league ! He needs to be replaced by someone with vision who will slot in alongside Schneiderlin to dominate play in the centre of midfield ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 why the FECK dont we just shell out the cash and release some of this SH!TE. ML is a business man then surely he can see you dont pay workers who arent good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthieu Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 I think he really is the worst player I've ever seen in a saints shirt, can't pass, run, tackle, head or shoot. He waves his arms around and shouts alot, but anyone can do that. and no I wasn't there when Ali Dia played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 ali dia nearly scored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 I think he really is the worst player I've ever seen in a saints shirt, can't pass, run, tackle, head or shoot. He waves his arms around and shouts alot, but anyone can do that. and no I wasn't there when Ali Dia played. And clearly you weren't here when a helluva lot of other players played (variously I have heard Fuller, Crouch and Bennett described in this way). Wotton isn't Maradona, he's not going to be. He's the big guy in the centre of the park, uncomplicated muscle. Are there better players with those attributes, yes. In our squad, no. Should AP be looking for someone? Yes, I think so. The reason (I think) AP plays Wooton is experience and muscle. Whilst Gillett is a better player (IMHO), he's not going to beat anyone up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 And clearly you weren't here when a helluva lot of other players played (variously I have heard Fuller, Crouch and Bennett described in this way). Wotton isn't Maradona, he's not going to be. He's the big guy in the centre of the park, uncomplicated muscle. Are there better players with those attributes, yes. In our squad, no. Should AP be looking for someone? Yes, I think so. The reason (I think) AP plays Wooton is experience and muscle. Whilst Gillett is a better player (IMHO), he's not going to beat anyone up. We need muscle but by that I mean strong and athletic - not Wotton who is by the way a poor tackler - mis-times so many and always looks good for a straight red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asaint4ever Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 I think he really is the worst player I've ever seen in a saints shirt, can't pass, run, tackle, head or shoot. He waves his arms around and shouts alot, but anyone can do that. and no I wasn't there when Ali Dia played. good shout! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Time to either give Gillet a go or get another guy in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Rick Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Wotton is dreadful. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 This is the thing though - Wotton never DOES offer muscle and toughness because his positioning sense is so bad and is so damn slow that he's never there to make the tackle when it counts. Coupled with the fact that he slows our attack the **** down EVERY FRICKIN TIME HE GETS THE BALL it makes him a completely useless player. Get a decent foil in so Schneiderlin can play his passing game - because in Morgan I think we do have half of a very good central midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Get a decent foil in so Schneiderlin can play his passing game - because in Morgan I think we do have half of a very good central midfield Spot on.....the question is, who? That must be the problem for Pard's atm...he knows (like us) what we need to do to improve...but who can we get? and will they want to come? It's tough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 FFS! WTFIGO? Simon Gillett not even used? FFS. WTFIGO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbenny Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 the worst footballer to pull on a saints shirt - fact. He really is awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 the worst footballer to pull on a saints shirt - fact. He really is awfulYou must be quite a youngster. I can think of plenty worse to be honest (and I am not disagreeing with your view that his ain't very good). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 You must be quite a youngster. I can think of plenty worse to be honest (and I am not disagreeing with your view that his ain't very good). I'm not a youngster and I concur that Wotton is probably the worst permanent first teamer Saints have ever had. Others (the Keith Cassells of this world) were crap but they were crap compared to the other (great) players we had in English football's TOP tier. Wotton is crap compared to all the other (crap) players we have in English football's THIRD tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 I'm not a youngster and I concur that Wotton is probably the worst permanent first teamer Saints have ever had. Others (the Keith Cassells of this world) were crap but they were crap compared to the other (great) players we had in English football's TOP tier. Wotton is crap compared to all the other (crap) players we have in English football's THIRD tier. Are you sure you don't want to narrow the criteria down just a little further just to make sure your assertion is correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 I'm not a youngster and I concur that Wotton is probably the worst permanent first teamer Saints have ever had. Others (the Keith Cassells of this world) were crap but they were crap compared to the other (great) players we had in English football's TOP tier. Wotton is crap compared to all the other (crap) players we have in English football's THIRD tier. Well somebody has to be the worst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Granted Wotton is poor, but until we get in an experienced older head who can be the MF general I would still prefer to see Wotton in the team. Playing 4 kids in MF is a recipe for disaster (even if Gillett is technically not a kid any more). We need an Alan Ball like figure to play alongside Morgan or Gillett a la Stevie Williams, pity Barmby still cuts it in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Are you sure you don't want to narrow the criteria down just a little further just to make sure your assertion is correct? Well, if you like. This team (or last season's) is arguably the worst Saints' have ever had. Certainly since the late '50's/early '60's. Wotton is certainly the worst first teamer of the worst team (I don't include Pulis because he never gets anywhere near the first team of any of his clubs). Therefore, I conclude that Wotton is Saints' worst player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Issue for me is that James, Wotton, Spiderman, Thompson and Co are not ahletes and lack pace and strength. I agree we need a player maker but that either means we have 3 other really strong midfield players or the play maker can mix it away from home where you need to earn the right to play. Alan Ball was the best midfield play maker we ever had, he also got stuck in when required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Issue for me is that James, Wotton, Spiderman, Thompson and Co are not ahletes and lack pace and strength. I agree we need a player maker but that either means we have 3 other really strong midfield players or the play maker can mix it away from home where you need to earn the right to play. Alan Ball was the best midfield play maker we ever had, he also got stuck in when required Alan Ball was a World Cup winner dont think there are many of those wanting to play in League 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Alan Ball was a World Cup winner dont think there are many of those wanting to play in League 1 he still fought for every ball, at the moment we do not have that from all our midfield like other sides in this division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Alan Ball was a World Cup winner dont think there are many of those wanting to play in League 1 But there are plenty of the type of midfielder we are/should be looking for playing in League 1. The four we faced today is a start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 he still fought for every ball' date=' at the moment we do not have that from all our midfield like other sides in this division[/quote'] Just accept we have a crap team and see what happens I have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Just accept we have a crap team and see what happens I have but the thread was about Wotton and a debate on how , as fans, we think things can improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Just accept we have a crap team and see what happens I have Unfortunately, I agree with you. and IF Watton is the worst, it must be quite an achievement as there has been plenty of competition over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 he still fought for every ball' date=' at the moment we do not have that from all our midfield like other sides in this division[/quote'] He tries for every ball but sadly does not get them, causes a free kick/penalty or passes it to the opposition. A Jack Russell will try and get every ball, should we put a couple of those in? Wotten is past it and we should not be starting for us. Should only be coming on if we have an injury crisis even if then. If this team is to progress at all it will be only when players such as Wotten are replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 the worst footballer to pull on a saints shirt - fact. He really is awful I'm not a youngster and I concur that Wotton is probably the worst permanent first teamer Saints have ever had. Others (the Keith Cassells of this world) were crap but they were crap compared to the other (great) players we had in English football's TOP tier. Wotton is crap compared to all the other (crap) players we have in English football's THIRD tier. Well somebody has to be the worst Unfortunately, I agree with you. and IF Watton is the worst, it must be quite an achievement as there has been plenty of competition over the years. Woah, you guys seem to have forgotten about Darren Powell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Woah, you guys seem to have forgotten about Darren Powell. No I include Powell. He wasn't that bad he was just injured. Permanently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonnick Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 i am fine with him being a squad player but he should not be in our starting line up. he is way down the pecking order in central midfield, with gillett, schneiderlin, james, and (although i haven't seen him play yet) mellis ahead of him imo. He should only be picked ahead of pulis imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 No I include Powell. He wasn't that bad he was just injured. Permanently! :-s We are talking about the appaling centre half and not the Windies cricket player yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 :-s We are talking about the appaling centre half and not the Windies cricket player yeah? That is Daren Powell the cricketer not Darren Powell the invalid who Pearson thought was better than Thomas I recall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team-saint Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 I think Pele is still available. He would be a decent foil for Schneiderlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintrich Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Wotton is garbage. He rarely wins anything in the air. always dives into tackles - sometimes it comes off, but mostly it doesn't. He always hoofs the ball forward for no apparent reason and to absolutely no-one. He has no key attributes as a footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Le Shearer Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Spot on.....the question is, who? That must be the problem for Pard's atm...he knows (like us) what we need to do to improve...but who can we get? and will they want to come? It's tough... shouldnt be hard at all to find. in this division alone there must be at least a dusin players who fits that bill,and we showed with Lambert that any players in this league isnt out of our reach. identify player,pay club £ 1 million,offer player big contract...sorted ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 I honestly cannot see what Wotton brings to the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 why dont we just ****ing cancel wottons and poolis's contract they SUCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 The only reason Wotton starts a game is that due to his slowness AP would not have the time to use him as a sub. If the board was shown with his number on it the game would be over before he got a kick. I am 62 and approximately 4 stone over my fighting weight. I have arthritis in both ankles and Emphasema which means I don't run very far any more. I would still fancy my chances against him though. Listening as the game unfolded brought back the memory of last season. The strikers need to be given the ball in a way that gives them a chance. Apart from once which led to our goal there weren't many occasions that happened. The defence can't be expected to challenge two marauding backs, a midfield and the strikers who had some pace on there own. Our biggest weakness has been our lily livered lightweight midfield. If they think that there is the slightest chance of injury they disappear from a tackle. Avoid is not strong enough. Yes we need 2 CB's and 2 maybe 3 midfielders. We may be able to pick up a couple of those which will help but we are in for a longwinter. AP will try to get some in but time is tight and we will then have to wait till the new year before he can really do anything. I have 2 ST's for the first time at sMS and fully expect us to struggle if we don't bring some players in soon. Huddersfield played us off of the park and they had plenty of youngsters in there team. Wotton must not be played and whoever plays must be given a chance to adapt to the league. Gobern shapes with promise and so does McClaggon. Fish will become an automatic choice when fit and Gillett is a poor mans Alan Ball. He snaps at other players and is likely to get himself booked for over the top tackles but we don't have much choice do we. All in all I am dreading Swindon as it is my first away game for a longtime. Play like today and we will be turned over with ease. The only slight grain of hope is that last season after some really poor performances we managed to improve and sometimes get a result. Hopefully we will be able to do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 That is Daren Powell the cricketer not Darren Powell the invalid who Pearson thought was better than Thomas I recall Powell played in 4 games under Pearson. Thomas started in 2 of them Dodd and Gorman picked the team for one of them. Thomas was injured for the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 why dont we just ****ing cancel wottons and poolis's contract they SUCK Ah but sucking wicked is not grounds for cancelling a contract in football. You're supposed to know they're crap beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Pardew - get rid of wotton please! Worst player to wear the shirt for ages. Cant even pass the bloody ball to his own teammates. Get rid. Get gillett in until a replacement can be signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 I think he really is the worst player I've ever seen in a saints shirt, can't pass, run, tackle, head or shoot. He waves his arms around and shouts alot, but anyone can do that. and no I wasn't there when Ali Dia played. Ufortunataly spot on, the guy is the most terrible footballer i have ever seen. Why people defend him i do not know, Pards, lose teh waste of space, we need a bruising ball player, not a slow, mistiming, play disrupter. :smt015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Pardew - get rid of wotton please! Worst player to wear the shirt for ages. Cant even pass the bloody ball to his own teammates. Get rid. Get gillett in until a replacement can be signed. Is this the same Gillett who did not play well against Millwall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Causer Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Is this the same Gillett who did not play well against Millwall 20 mins is not a fair basis to judge a player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 20 mins is not a fair basis to judge a player I know but he is not any better than Wotton and is too lightweight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Let's face it Wotton was past it even before he arrived last season and he's hardly likely to be a better player 12 months on . I don't blame PW at all , he's gives you everything he's got it's just that he hasn't got very much to offer anymore . Free transfers are a minefield - you can end up with useful players such as Murty of Harding or (more often) you get the Paul Wottons of this world . Many would say the fact that this player never (even in his prime) achieved very much in the game was a pretty good clue we were looking at another journeyman midfielder here and that signing him was an error that could/should have been avoided . Those responsible for this transfer are long gone now (I hope) but the consequences of their actions live on unfortunately . I'd draw the analogy of buying a £100 car - cheap to buy but it'll let you down all the time and the money spent on keeping it going is money wasted . Although Alan Pardew may have a strange predilection for selecting this player he didn't sign him - the crucial importance of overhauling the clubs scouting system so that we can avoid this type of mistake in future can hardly be overstated . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 (edited) Let's face it Wotton was past it even before he arrived last season and he's hardly likely to be a better player 12 months on . I don't blame PW at all , he's gives you everything he's got it's just that he hasn't got very much to offer anymore . Free transfers are a minefield - you can end up with useful players such as Murty of Harding or (more often) you get the Paul Wottons of this world . Many would say the fact that this player never (even in his prime) achieved very much in the game was a pretty good clue we were looking at another journeyman midfielder here and that signing him was an error that could/should have been avoided . Those responsible for this transfer are long gone now (I hope) but the consequences of their actions live on unfortunately . I'd draw the analogy of buying a £100 car - cheap to buy but it'll let you down all the time and the money spent on keeping it going is money wasted . Although Alan Pardew may have a strange predilection for selecting this player he didn't sign him - the crucial importance of overhauling the clubs scouting system so that we can avoid this type of mistake in future can hardly be overstated . To have given him a 3 year contract was a terrible decision - 12 months and would probably have been released at the end of last season. Edited 16 August, 2009 by Katalinic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Why don't we just buy his contract back and get shot. would be a lot safer imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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