Pulis, Forecast and Administration

[trousers]

It's been hinted at on here that there were certain strings attached to the signings of these two players, or rather that there were alteria motives onvolved. It's even been held up as a contributing factor to us going into administration.

 

There was even a suggestion of a connection between kim van der waals and pulis senior.

 

The penny's never dropped for me on this one so anyone able and willing to summarise for me?

 

Thanks

[RedAndWhite91]

I can't summarise but I feel here is a fairly suitable place to quote some classic wikipedia comedy.

 

The 2007–08 season started brightly for Pulis. He gained his first assist for the club, as his corner set up a Jon Parkin header in a 3–2 defeat to Southampton, however injury problems kept him sidelined for several months following. Pulis was loaned out again, on this occasion to Bristol Rovers, however he made only one appearance for the club before his loan spell was curtailed due to injury. In his only appearance for the club, a 14 minute cameo in a 2–0 defeat to Doncaster Rovers, Pulis conceded a penalty and was booked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Pulis

 

Why did we sign this man?!

[saint_mears]

I thought these where two players Lowe signed.

[Gorgiesaint]

It's been hinted at on here that there were certain strings attached to the signings of these two players, or rather that there were alteria motives onvolved. It's even been held up as a contributing factor to us going into administration.

 

There was even a suggestion of a connection between kim van der waals and pulis senior.

 

The penny's never dropped for me on this one so anyone able and willing to summarise for me?

 

Thanks

 

I had mentioned him on the thread about JP's interview in Voetbal International that someone kindly translated part of. I don't suspect that we will ever get to the bottom of what exactly his role at the club was.

[ottery st mary]

Regardless of what has been stated on this subject...JP, Wotte or Phil the Whale had never previously seen, heard or spotted the talent of Pulis, in his cameo role for Stoke against the Saints.

 

Because we had no scouts only girl guides during the period of his signing... this was a decision by our Director of Football. JP fumbled some statement that Pulis looked good in his few minutes in the Stoke game....JP was a PUPPET... Some will talk of The Andrew Davies transfer etc.....

BUT that does not excuse us taking a non footballer as part of the deal and valued at £300,000 as part of that deal.....There were others willing to take Davies at the time.

 

Opinion based on what I believe......Now what The Masons had to do with this...Not a clue. Does it still exist at Swaythling for the students.

[SaintRichmond]

I thought these where two players Lowe signed.

 

........ I've nearly finished my book ....

 

" Rupert Lowe, my Role in Saints Decline ":D:D

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I think you will find at one stage (before Lowe returned) that Pulis snr was being lined up to become our new manager and I think the Pulis jnr "deal" was agreed around that time and Lowe was duty bound to accept it.

 

The first half of this is based on fact the second half I am surmising.

[Weston Saint]

It's been hinted at on here that there were certain strings attached to the signings of these two players, or rather that there were alteria motives onvolved. It's even been held up as a contributing factor to us going into administration.

 

There was even a suggestion of a connection between kim van der waals and pulis senior.

 

The penny's never dropped for me on this one so anyone able and willing to summarise for me?

 

Thanks

 

I was told from reliable sources months ago that Van Der Waals recommended Forecast to Lowe who took everything he had to say as gospel.

 

Don't know about Pulis but on the face of it we released a player on about £10,000 a week, who has hardly played since due to injuries with one on peanuts who equally has not played this time due to apparent lack of ability. Economics may have come into play.

[Verbal]

........ I've nearly finished my book ....

 

" Rupert Lowe, my Role in Saints Decline ":D:D

 

I thought it was your autobiography - Rupert Lowe: My Part in his Downfall.

[Verbal]

I was told from reliable sources months ago that Van Der Waals recommended Forecast to Lowe who took everything he had to say as gospel.

 

Don't know about Pulis but on the face of it we released a player on about £10,000 a week, who has hardly played since due to injuries with one on peanuts who equally has not played this time due to apparent lack of ability. Economics may have come into play.

 

Is that it? I was hoping for something a bit more Watergate.

[SaintRichmond]

I thought it was your autobiography - Rupert Lowe: My Part in his Downfall.

 

If it were ... it would most likely be .... " Confessions of an Axe Murderer ":D

[SaintRichmond]

I think you will find at one stage (before Lowe returned) that Pulis snr was being lined up to become our new manager and I think the Pulis jnr "deal" was agreed around that time and Lowe was duty bound to accept it.

 

The first half of this is based on fact the second half I am surmising.

 

 

Why ??? .... If the Pulis Snr deal fell through ..... why were we stuck with his useless son ???

[krissyboy31]

Don't know about Pulis but on the face of it we released a player on about £10,000 a week, who has hardly played since due to injuries with one on peanuts who equally has not played this time due to apparent lack of ability. Economics may have come into play.

 

Couldn't we have just passed on the second part of the deal and said 'thanks but no thanks!'?

[ottery st mary]

Agents, Agents AND MORE Agents......I Phil a headache coming on.....Pulis and Forecast stinks to high heaven.....I am sure 19 and his forensic investigation into MLT could supply some of his spare investigators to look at Lowey....

 

I like the line...Lowe duty bound...FF you made me larf.

[dellboypete]

I thought it was your autobiography - Rupert Lowe: My Part in his Downfall.

 

 

I think it's possibly based on events on a similar scale that happened a couple of thousand years ago......

 

"Decline and Fall of the Lowe(man) Empire" :confused:

[SaintRichmond]

It's been hinted at on here that there were certain strings attached to the signings of these two players, or rather that there were alteria motives onvolved. It's even been held up as a contributing factor to us going into administration.

 

There was even a suggestion of a connection between kim van der waals and pulis senior.

 

The penny's never dropped for me on this one so anyone able and willing to summarise for me?

 

Thanks

 

The only strings attached were the ones that were supposed to operate his legs .............

 

... Obviously, the strings broke ......:cool:

[Big Bad Bob]

Wasn't Forecast part of the early Bale settlement??

[krissyboy31]

Wasn't Forecast part of the early Bale settlement??

 

Maybe but surely we didn't have to accept him and worse still give him a 5 year contract FFS!

[ottery st mary]

Maybe but surely we didn't have to accept him and worse still give him a 5 year contract FFS!

 

Mind you he was world class....Spurs very reluctant to release him....We only had about 6 goalkeepers at the time.....It turns out he was the same standard as no.6 Hogan who we released.....Sorry..just found it very strange.

 

Maybe he will turn his career around at Grimsby.....Pulis even played one game there before being inured and sent back to Stoke.

Edited 20 August, 2009 by ottery st mary

[eelpie]

Why ??? .... If the Pulis Snr deal fell through ..... why were we stuck with his useless son ???

 

Lowe's fabled negotiating skills?

[trousers]

Maybe but surely we didn't have to accept him and worse still give him a 5 year contract FFS!

 

There's been a few 'nod and a wink' posts over the last year alluding to underlying reasons why he joined, and why he was given a disproportionate contract, but it's never been explained to the satisfaction of the Plain English Campaign.

[Crab Lungs]

OK OK, who the feck was on ten grand a week? What am I missing here? Davies? Pulis? Forecast?

 

Whats going on!?!?! I smell something fishy... and this time, it's not coming from the contents of Paul Hart's dressing room..

[SaintRichmond]

Lowe's fabled negotiating skills?

 

For fabled ... read garbled ....

[Verbal]

OK OK, who the feck was on ten grand a week? What am I missing here? Davies? Pulis? Forecast?

 

Whats going on!?!?! I smell something fishy... and this time, it's not coming from the contents of Paul Hart's dressing room..

 

Like me, you're never going to know, because the only people who do insist on keeping up their nudging and winking act. I expect it of Weston, but I'm disappointed in the usually indiscreet Phil.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Evidently this is a report of his performance for Grimsby, so I dont think they'll be keeping him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Grimsby Town 0 Crewe Alex 4

 

IN 1996 Southampton were famously victim to an elaborate scam in which they fielded a player they believed to be a potential world-beater.

 

The ‘agent’ of Ali Dai claimed he was the cousin of former world player of the year George Weah.

 

In fact, Dai was a very average amateur footballer.

 

By the time he realised he had been duped, then-boss Graeme Souness had allowed him to play for more than 20 minutes in the Premier League.

 

On Saturday, alarms were raised that another Saints man was an imposter. But this time the joke was on Grimsby Town.

 

With first choice keeper Nick Colgan injured, the Mariners borrowed Southampton custodian Tommy Forecast on Friday.

 

The following day, he put in one of the most shockingly inept displays the Football League has ever seen. At times, the 6ft 7ins keeper appeared to have no knowledge of the position at all.

 

All at sea throughout, he was at fault for the Alex’s first two goals and punctuated his performance with comedy moments

[krissyboy31]

There's been a few 'nod and a wink' posts over the last year alluding to underlying reasons why he joined, and why he was given a disproportionate contract, but it's never been explained to the satisfaction of the Plain English Campaign.

 

The only thing I can think of is that Spurs are paying part if not all of his wages as part of the Bale settlement. It just doesn't make sense when we were off loading players left-right-and-centre, and trying to trim the wage bill to a bare minimum, why you would sign a player you did not need and give them a five year contract.

[Channon's Sideburns]

OK OK, who the feck was on ten grand a week? What am I missing here? Davies? Pulis? Forecast?

 

Whats going on!?!?! I smell something fishy... and this time, it's not coming from the contents of Paul Hart's dressing room..

 

The gist I feel is that Davies was on £10k - hence the urgency to move him on last season.

If Pulis is on more than minimum wage then we're being robbed.

 

BTW, surely if Pardew wanted rid we could release him from the contract?

 

Not a bad idea.

 

Pulis' old man would probably play more games in midfield than his son FFS...

[paulwantsapint]

Lowe signed Forecast as no1 then his plan back fired when KD refused to turn his mobile on for about a week end of last august , maybe Pulis likes shooting things or likes carrying chairmen's guns around?

[S-Clarke]

Lowe signed Forecast as no1 then his plan back fired when KD refused to turn his mobile on for about a week end of last august , maybe Pulis likes shooting things or likes carrying chairmen's guns around?

 

Lowe did want to move Davis on, as he was on a big wage... but well played Davis for sticking here....he'll end his career here IMO.

[Torres]

I think you will find at one stage (before Lowe returned) that Pulis snr was being lined up to become our new manager and I think the Pulis jnr "deal" was agreed around that time and Lowe was duty bound to accept it.

 

The first half of this is based on fact the second half I am surmising.

 

Pulis was lined up as our manager? Who by? When? Before we appointed Pearson? 6 months before Lowe came back? Or at the end of that season? Was Crouch going to sack Pearson too then?

 

Sounds highly unlikely that's the reason why Jnr was signed and could well be rubbish.

Edited 25 August, 2009 by Torres
Because "Bullsh1t" was far too offensive for the little lamb.

[Katalinic]

Pulis was lined up as our manager? Who by? When? Before we appointed Pearson? 6 months before Lowe came back? Or at the end of that season? Was Crouch going to sack Pearson too then?

 

Sounds like utter bullsh1t to me.

 

I am not sure it is. Was reported at the time.

[lordswoodsaints]

All I know is that kim van dee waals favoured columbians.

[Verbal]

All I know is that kim van dee waals favoured columbians.

 

Okay, I'm lost. Could someone do a family tree of who was what in the Eagle's Nest? There seem to have been an awful lot of secretive lieutenants buzzing about.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Pulis was lined up as our manager? Who by? When? Before we appointed Pearson? 6 months before Lowe came back? Or at the end of that season? Was Crouch going to sack Pearson too then?

 

Sounds like utter bullsh1t to me.

 

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Torres. Don't think there is much point of posting if that is the response. Don't insist you believe me, it's up to you but I know what I know, it came from a horse's mouth and is 100% fact. I am not going to say exactly when because someone could get into trouble.

[Torres]

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Torres. Don't think there is much point of posting if that is the response. Don't insist you believe me, it's up to you but I know what I know, it came from a horse's mouth and is 100% fact. I am not going to say exactly when because someone could get into trouble.

 

Just doesn't make any sense that Crouch was going to sack Pearson and replace him with Pulis when a) You hammered Lowe for sacking Pearson and b) Pulis had just won promotion to the PL.

 

Or it was months before Lowe came back - and then there's no way he would have taken Pulis Jnr on to fulfil some obligation carried over from the old regime.

 

As I say, makes no sense to me...

[dubai_phil]

Like me, you're never going to know, because the only people who do insist on keeping up their nudging and winking act. I expect it of Weston, but I'm disappointed in the usually indiscreet Phil.

 

?????????? :confused:

 

Que?

[Verbal]

?????????? :confused:

 

Que?

 

Me neither. What was I talking about?

[SaintRobbie]

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Torres. Don't think there is much point of posting if that is the response. Don't insist you believe me, it's up to you but I know what I know, it came from a horse's mouth and is 100% fact. I am not going to say exactly when because someone could get into trouble.

 

Makes sense to me. Regardless Pulis Jnr needs to be shipped out along with the likes of Lancashire, James et al.

 

The only youngsters I'd keep now from the Lowe years are Lallana (although I am puzzled how to play him) and Gillett (a tenacious playmaker who works his socks off and has potential IMHO).

 

The rest? Farewell.

[doughnutman]

Just doesn't make any sense that Crouch was going to sack Pearson and replace him with Pulis when a) You hammered Lowe for sacking Pearson and b) Pulis had just won promotion to the PL.

 

Or it was months before Lowe came back - and then there's no way he would have taken Pulis Jnr on to fulfil some obligation carried over from the old regime.

 

As I say, makes no sense to me...

 

I expect Pulis didn't want to leave Stoke until the season had ended (and at the same time that he did not expect Stoke to be promoted to the PL) and Crouch felt that Dodd and Gorman were not good enough to keep us up and as a result appointed Pearson as a temporary solution, hence the contract only going up to the end of the season. It was only because of the unexpected popularity and success of Pearson that perhaps made Crouch change his mind and want to keep Pearson on permanently.

[benjii]

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Torres. Don't think there is much point of posting if that is the response. Don't insist you believe me, it's up to you but I know what I know, it came from a horse's mouth and is 100% fact. I am not going to say exactly when because someone could get into trouble.

 

But we don't know who the horse is our when it was said.

 

If it's a horse called Leon then it also thought Paul Allen was going to take over

 

In any case it still doesn't explain why his successor signed Pulis.

 

I favour the explanation that Pulis is a young player who was available on the cheap and fitted Lowe's stupid vision. Much more likely IMO.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by Torres

Pulis was lined up as our manager? Who by? When? Before we appointed Pearson? 6 months before Lowe came back? Or at the end of that season? Was Crouch going to sack Pearson too then?

 

Sounds like utter bullsh1t to me.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Torres. Don't think there is much point of posting if that is the response. Don't insist you believe me, it's up to you but I know what I know, it came from a horse's mouth and is 100% fact. I am not going to say exactly when because someone could get into trouble.

 

We may have been after Pulis, that definitely looked a possibility from all the rumours at the time. But equally Pulis knocked that on the head from the beginning, with full understanding of our financial position.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I expect Pulis didn't want to leave Stoke until the season had ended (and at the same time that he did not expect Stoke to be promoted to the PL) and Crouch felt that Dodd and Gorman were not good enough to keep us up and as a result appointed Pearson as a temporary solution, hence the contract only going up to the end of the season. It was only because of the unexpected popularity and success of Pearson that perhaps made Crouch change his mind and want to keep Pearson on permanently.

 

you are much brighter than your avatar suggests.