Channon's Sideburns Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Looks like Schneiderlin wants to go - Solent just confirmed on Twitter - apparently the French U21 manager has got involved and Morgan has expressed a desire to leave. Poor decision Morgan - disappointed. Also, Rasiak to Watford or Reading later today it is thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Good. Never rated him and too lightweight for this division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 that is dissapointing to hear. I suppose the fact we are going to be here for two seasons afterthe poor start has a bearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 As always, if he has no desire to play for Saints then goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 27 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 August, 2009 My only hope is that we nail a deal for him quickly - don't want him around the others if his mindset isn't right. Same goes for Saga - I felt the same about Lallana in pre-season as well. You're either with us, or you're against us. If you're against us, jog on - we don't want you here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 He may want to go but depends if any club makes a good enough bid for us to accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Looks like Schneiderlin wants to go - Solent just confirmed on Twitter - apparently the French U21 manager has got involved and Morgan has expressed a desire to leave. Poor decision Morgan - disappointed. Also, Rasiak to Watford or Reading later today it is thought. Yes I heard echos of this from my girls friend's boyfriend at the time of the mediterranean tournament but unlike many I kept stum. It's a "secret de polichinelle" that the FFF have told him to find a "better club". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadpanmatt Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 I think this is worse than the prospect of Rasiak leaving, mainly because if he does leave Wotton might get a look in again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Yes I heard echos of this from my girls friend's boyfriend at the time of the mediterranean tournament but unlike many I kept stum. It's a "secret de polichinelle" that the FFF have told him to find a "better club". Not a better club but one in an higher division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 I think this is worse than the prospect of Rasiak leaving, mainly because if he does leave Wotton might get a look in again! Would rather have Gillet or get another CM in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_barmy_saints_army Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 I think this is worse than the prospect of Rasiak leaving, mainly because if he does leave Wotton might get a look in again! oh god, anyone but wotton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 oh god, anyone but wotton Thats why we need a right back now because of Murty's injury, James was outstanding in the midfield on Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 I wonder if we'll get our money back? If not, then his purchase may have been the one that pushed us into administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Not a better club but one in an higher division. Whatever you want to call it,the DTN at the FFF have apparently (and not for the first time) told him to find a club where he can exploit what they believe to be a great talent and not get 48 bales of crap knocked out of him every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Would rather have Gillet or get another CM in. surely James and Hammond is the new scheme if (and when) Morgan leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 surely James and Hammond is the new scheme if (and when) Morgan leaves. I wouldn't go with James on the strength of one game. He's not very consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 surely James and Hammond is the new scheme if (and when) Morgan leaves. We need a right-back though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polegategavin Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 I cannot believe that the club would allow him to leave unless they receive an acceptable offer (there may be a minimum offer release clause), and unless he is allowed to leave then he has to stay regardless of the FFF's requests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 I can't see anyone being willing to pay any sort of significant sum for him so perhaps it'll be a long term loan. Can't say I'd be sad to see him go, though it would certainly be good to get a replacement in, I don't think Gillett is up to the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 I feel an enormous wave of apathy sweeping over me , Morgan Schneiderlin is a player fundamentaly unsuited the rough and tumble of lower league British football if you ask me . (we didn't ! I hear you say) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 We need a right-back though. true, but as everyone on this forum assures me James isn't a right back..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 true, but as everyone on this forum assures me James isn't a right back..... I like him at right back but would rather have him in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Scheiderlin is dog****e, thank god he wants to go. Excellent news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Will be interesting to see what sort of fee he commands. Obvious talent - rarely expressed or impacted games and may well be suited to a higher standard. Without dragging up the anti lowe stuff again, this was a signing we made when we couldnt afford Pearson and had to draft in the dutch duo. There were rumours that we were taking him in the short term to offload him later to Arsenal for a fat wedge.......................let's see what we get for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Very disappointed if true. I too had concerns as to whether Morgan could cope with the physical element to League One, but he's made a decent start to the season and has shown that he's not afraid to get stuck in. If he has asked to go, then there is no point in keeping him, we only want players at the club that are committed to the cause. I guess all we can do is try to get a decent price for him which enables us to find an able replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Not bothered at all. Hopefully we can find a buyer before the end of the window. If players don't want to be here get rid asap, just like Rasiak he's really nothing special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 (edited) Scheiderlin is dog****e, thank god he wants to go. Excellent news. Morgan is a quality player as I have said since I first saw him play after he signed. Will one day(perhaps very soon) be a Premiership or top flight european League player, "perhaps" even in the French senior squad. The French Football association rate him very highly hence why he is captain of the under 20 team. The under 21 manager wants him to be playing at a higher level to improve his development. You really have no idea. Edited 27 August, 2009 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Morgan is a quality player. Will one day(perhaps very soon) be a Premiership or top flight european League player, "perhaps" even in the French senior squad. You really have no idea. I'm afraid we don't have enough time for acquired tastes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polegategavin Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Well then we really need a new central midfielder to play with Hammond. Someone who can score a goal preferably. Unless there's anyway Lallana can finally learn to play central midfield. Having heard how Lallana performed on tuesday night, I see no reason why he couldn't play alongside Hammond and provide the attacking thrust we have lacked so far this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Morgan is a quality player. Will one day(perhaps very soon) be a Premiership or top flight european League player, "perhaps" even in the French senior squad. You really have no idea. Of course he has an idea, that of antiquated 1980's english football where kicking opponents up in the air made a player a great asset along with a lot of sterile running about and kissing the badge at every opportunity.. , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 No doubt Wenger is just putting the finishing touches to Arsenal's bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Morgan is a quality player as I have said since I first saw him play after he signed. Will one day(perhaps very soon) be a Premiership or top flight european League player, "perhaps" even in the French senior squad. The French Football association rate him very highly hence why he is captain of the under 20 team. The under 21 manager wants him to be playing at a higher level to improve his development. You really have no idea. Not based on his performances for us he wont. Poor last season and poor this. In my honest opinion........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Morgan is a quality player. Will one day(perhaps very soon) be a Premiership or top flight european League player, "perhaps" even in the French senior squad. You really have no idea. I wholeheatedly agree with this but IMO was the wrong player at the wrong time for us and not suited to the hustle and bustle of the English Leagues 2nd and 3rd tiers. For the players development sake and for our own current situation, best decision is to sell him and hopefully make a small profit along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Morgan is a quality player as I have said since I first saw him play after he signed. Will one day(perhaps very soon) be a Premiership or top flight european League player, "perhaps" even in the French senior squad. The French Football association rate him very highly hence why he is captain of the under 20 team. The under 21 manager wants him to be playing at a higher level to improve his development. You really have no idea. Behave. Name one MOTM performance for us? or even one game which he changed for the good? There's not a chance he's going to be playing in the premiership anytime soon. He's got the talent but can't apply it at all. A defensive midfielder who's scared of tackling isn't going to go far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Whatever you want to call it,the DTN at the FFF have apparently (and not for the first time) told him to find a club where he can exploit what they believe to be a great talent and not get 48 bales of crap knocked out of him every game. not noticed him getting the crap knocked out of him to be honest. Besides IMO the higher up the league the more physically demanding the league is - faster, stronger oponents, with less time and space to get the ball down and avoid tackles. There are as many bad tackles in the top flight as in League 1. A popular mis conception that its one big blood fest down here. Less quality, yes, but no more physical battles really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Close the door on the way out as you will not be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Behave. Name one MOTM performance for us? or even one game which he changed for the good? There's not a chance he's going to be playing in the premiership anytime soon. He's got the talent but can't apply it at all. A defensive midfielder who's scared of tackling isn't going to go far. to be fare to him he has looked much better this season (you would assume having filled out a bit, settled in and got more used to the speed of the game) and seeing as he is a young lad he is only ever going to improve. We actually tend to look a much worse side when he subbed, simply because we don't then have the quality in the middle to get teh ball under control and play so we hood it a la Wotton - because they are not good enough on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Not based on his performances for us he wont. Poor last season and poor this. In my honest opinion........... He's been good this season tbf. As said above somewhere. He's a class act. Way too good for this league. Divisions like this have the ability to bring players like Morgan to its level, rather than players looking a class above it. He'll go onto to play for a good european club/prem club. Maybe even from this move. He has that ability. It doesn't help him at all playing in this league with some of the players at our club. Fair play to him if he goes. Good move for both parties. If he stays then great but if not we'll probably get someone not as good but a little more suited to our needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 not noticed him getting the crap knocked out of him to be honest. Besides IMO the higher up the league the more physically demanding the league is - faster, stronger oponents, with less time and space to get the ball down and avoid tackles. There are as many bad tackles in the top flight as in League 1. A popular mis conception that its one big blood fest down here. Less quality, yes, but no more physical battles really. Absolutely right. It does my head in when people claim the lower leagues are "more physical". There might be a bit more running around after the ball because the players aren't as good as keeping it but the notion that you need to be "harder" or prepared to indulge in thuggery is pure hokum. Let's have a look at the team tipped by many to win the Premier League this year: Carvallho Terry Alex Bosingwa Mikel Essien Ballack Drogba To people honestly believe they are "less physical" than the players in League One? The fact is that Schneiderlin may well discover some form if he leaves us, or he may not. He clearly has some raw talent, however his product for us has been largely disappointing and that has nothing whatsoever to do with what League we're in. It might be down to management, dispondency, lack of application, inability to perform in matches, being surrounded by poor players... whatever, but it's certainly not down to the superhuman physical prowess of lower league football teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 to be fare to him he has looked much better this season (you would assume having filled out a bit, settled in and got more used to the speed of the game) and seeing as he is a young lad he is only ever going to improve. We actually tend to look a much worse side when he subbed, simply because we don't then have the quality in the middle to get teh ball under control and play so we hood it a la Wotton - because they are not good enough on the ball. Don't get me wrong he's very good on the ball but that's it really. He doesn't do enough defensively and he doesn't do enough going forward, I don't think i've ever seen him do anything important in either box. He was very good against Milwall but that's about it imo, I think he'd look a lot better and we'd get more out of him if we had two proper wingers for him to find with his diagonal balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Looks like it will be a very busy few days then if Rasiak,Saga & Morgan leave. I would then expect another 4 players in maybe 5.I think we are currently working on another centre back with the no 6 shirt not being allocated and a pacy winger.we will need 1or 2 new strikers if the Poles leave,a right back to cover Murty unless they are happy with Thomas & James covering that position.If james then they would need another central midfielder to replace Morgan. Have a feeling that it will be a very busy transfer deadline day although we may well use the loan system for a couple of the needed players after the transfer deadline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Don't get me wrong he's very good on the ball but that's it really. He doesn't do enough defensively and he doesn't do enough going forward, I don't think i've ever seen him do anything important in either box. He was very good against Milwall but that's about it imo, I think he'd look a lot better and we'd get more out of him if we had two proper wingers for him to find with his diagonal balls. can't argue with that really, although he has played pretty well in a few other games too, especially at the start of last season when we were intent on passing all day long no matter where it toook us (backwards usually) which very much suited him. I'd like to stress again that he's a young lad and apart from a few geneous' and players with great pace (which he is neither), youngsters tend to take their time to really shine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Morgan is a quality player as I have said since I first saw him play after he signed. Will one day(perhaps very soon) be a Premiership or top flight european League player, "perhaps" even in the French senior squad. The French Football association rate him very highly hence why he is captain of the under 20 team. The under 21 manager wants him to be playing at a higher level to improve his development. You really have no idea. And I totally, wholeheartedly agree with you... and I'm a good judge of a player. Schneiderlin is not a CCC or L1 player, it's that simple. His development would be better suited at Arsenal or a top European club. He will play for the full French national side, without a doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 I rate him, but it does make sense for him to move on, would surely make sense for him to move back to continental football where his game is best suited? What I don't get is the timing! What has changed in the last month? If he goes and Muurty is out for a while, then we'll certainly need to bring in at least one more midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 This is very poor timing - AP has surely spoken with each player and with his experience should have been able to sniff out any bull****ters? We are 5 players short at the moment (imo) if Rasiak leaves and Spider wants out we possibly need 7. I cant see us getting anymore than 2, so in summary we are ****ed! Wont lose any sleep over Rasiak or Spider - rasiak is a decent player but has been mis-treated at SMS in parts, cant blame him for wanting to move on. Spider on the other hand seems deluded about his ability - I wouldnt even have him in the Saints 1st 11 so if he thinks he can do better elsewhere, drive him there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Yes I heard echos of this from my girls friend's boyfriend at the time of the mediterranean tournament but unlike many I kept stum. It's a "secret de polichinelle" that the FFF have told him to find a "better club". Bloody French! League 1 is probably a higher standard than their top tier anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 (edited) Can't say I'm upset tbh.....I suppose he realises that we aren't going anywhere fast so it's best for his career that he moves on,I can't blame him but I am not bothered,he hasn't really done anything here of note. Edited 27 August, 2009 by lordswoodsaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4568828.Rasiak_set_to_leave_Saints/?ref=rss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Morgan is a quality player as I have said since I first saw him play after he signed. Will one day(perhaps very soon) be a Premiership or top flight european League player, "perhaps" even in the French senior squad. The French Football association rate him very highly hence why he is captain of the under 20 team. The under 21 manager wants him to be playing at a higher level to improve his development. You really have no idea. You clearly didn't see how well the team performed on Tuesday while his lazy ass was warming the bench. Scheiderlin obviously has talent, he has a great touch and can pass the ball. But that is only part of a midfielders game, his movement is rubbish, he can't tackle, I've yet to see him win a header, he makes no forward runs, he cannot close down opponents, he cannot score and cannot defend. The midfield on Tuesday looked way better with Lloyd James in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 You clearly didn't see how well the team performed on Tuesday while his lazy ass was warming the bench. I was at the game actually I think we'd have been even better if he was on the pitch from the start alongside James instead of Wotton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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