Lawrie Mac's Centre For Football Research

[Gemmel]

Couldn't see it posted anywhere else, Apologies if it is.

 

http://www.solent.ac.uk/lmcfr/home.aspx

 

Good luck LM

[Badger]

Some 'good reads' published by them :

 

Bruce-Low S.S. & Smith D (2007). Explosive Exercises in Sports Training: A Critical Review, Journal of Exercise Physiology. 10(1): 21-33.

 

Clayton, B. & Harris, J. (2008). ‘Our friend Jack: Alcohol, friendship and masculinity in university football’, Annals of Leisure Research, 11( 3/4), 311-330.

 

Clayton, B. & Harris, J. (2004). Footballers wives: The role of the soccer players partner in the construction of idealised masculinity, Soccer and Society, 5(3), 316-334.

 

Cross, J. & Henderson, S. (2003). Strategic challenges in the football business: A space analysis, Strategic Change, 12(: 409-420.

 

Cross, J. and Henderson, S. (2000). 'Clubs in Space'. Centre Circle.

 

Elliott, R. (2009). 'Feet-Drain' or 'Feet-Exchange'?: Examining the Effects of Elite Foreign Footballers in the Premier Academy League

 

 

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Does he get an expense account?

 

Most definitely will, knowing Lawrie.

 

I know I'm in the minority, and I know he did a lot for this club, but I still really dislike the man for some reason.

[GenevaSaint]

Some 'good reads' published by them :

 

 

mmmmmm, that'll be why they're at the bottom of the university league tables with a zero or low score for academic research!

[Nineteen Canteen]

Most definitely will, knowing Lawrie.

 

I know I'm in the minority, and I know he did a lot for this club, but I still really dislike the man for some reason.

 

It's a minority of at least 2 if that's any consolation. Personally, I think the man lacks any humility and believes he is the equal of some of the great managers of his time which of course he wasn't. He was a good manager for us and yet for some reason that elevated him up with some of the greatest managers that have ever lived who happend to be around during his era.

 

McMenemy is a classic example IMO of a man who believed the hype. The day he cashed in his meal ticket given to him by SFC PLC and forfeited any future right to have a direct influence on the direction of club was the day he basically undermined any future commentary he unwelcomely provided. Didn't stop him though did it which is arrogant / ignorant in the extreme to moan about something he gave up the right to influence. Wasn't that why he went to shareholder meetings with his wife?

 

Just my opinion as always and thanks Dibden wasn't aware I needed to get that off my chest.

[St Marco]

Winning our only trophey means he can do whatever the fook he wants in my book, if that is an expenses account, a statue, a stadium, his own personel mcdonalds etc etc then give it to the man. He deserves it.

[Third Division South Days]

Just as an aside I notice Lawrie's and Leon's box no longer exists at SMS.

[OldNick]

Just as an aside I notice Lawrie's and Leon's box no longer exists at SMS.

I noticed that.I looked and was surprised it had gone.I doubt LC would baulk at paying to watch us.

[david in sweden]

Most definitely will, knowing Lawrie.

I know I'm in the minority, and I know he did a lot for this club, but I still really dislike the man for some reason.

 

 

There are two clear camps on this. You either like him ..or you don't.

Others have pointed out negatives but he did give us our only trophy, and that wasn't luck either, MU and Tommy Docherty

had a good side out and we were Div.2 (CCC).

 

The later years in the era of the " Five England captains " gave those of us who remember it - the finest football of that / or any other generation. 1983/4 season we finished second to Liverpool by only three points, and there are fans who say ..had the season been two weeks longer - we would have won the league title. It was no surprise that he eventually left (for his ill-fated return to Sunderland) when - as Kevin Keegan pointed out - the directors wouldn't approve more money for big signings. Sunderland weren't called " the Bank of England club " for nothing! He had come to the end of his tether.

I was disappointed - but not surprised. Historically the Saints' Board has always failed the club over money at crucial times - even back in 1948/9, and here was another betrayal.

 

As for those who think him arrogant, he said on his appointment (1973) that his brash Geordie style would ruffle a few feathers - and it did. However, he came on Ted Bates' recommendation and in hindsight I think he was the best choice. LM had confidence in his ideas and his players and wasn't afraid to say so. Many players lifted their game under his guidance and what he did to lift the club's morale and image may never be repeated. He has had phases of unpopularity - and others of a higher ethical standing, as when the Board / Rupert Lowe refused to allow Graham Souness money to buy players, and he quit in protest, along with GS.

 

Maybe it's the old North v. South squabble..we can't get along with them, and they don't like our " stupid " accents. Personally, I think LM deserves a lot more credit than some give him, and rate as one of the best managers the club has had......arrogance or not. His contempories as managers had respect for him ; (Sir) Bobby Robson, Brian Clough, Jack Charlton, Ron Atkinson and Graham Taylor - even though they didn't always agree on everything - in public.

 

A generation of " younger fans" who are quick to decry his contribution to the clubs history are only looking at half the story.

Edited 16 September, 2009 by david in sweden

[The boy done well]

Just as an aside I notice Lawrie's and Leon's box no longer exists at SMS.

 

Think that the Fuller's box which was presumably his has gone too and not sure either that I've seen Lawrie there since the season started. I am some distance away in the Kingsland but he's usually pretty easily spotted as is ML.

[Lets B Avenue]

mmmmmm, that'll be why they're at the bottom of the university league tables with a zero or low score for academic research!

 

They are not set up as a research university and I understand that there are numerous colleges who didn't submit their stats to the Sunday Times.

[Lets B Avenue]

Just as an aside I notice Lawrie's and Leon's box no longer exists at SMS.

 

Don't think there is anyone at boardroom level that he prefers to avoid.

 

Unlike last season.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Don't think there is anyone at boardroom level that he prefers to avoid.

 

Unlike last season.

 

Perhaps it is now the other way around and I don't suppose given his friendship with Crouch that he is best drinking buddies with Andrew Oldknow. I may be wrong but McMenemy strikes me as the type of person who had burned plenty of bridges along the way and not just with Lowe. Perhaps he forgot that old saying - be nice to people on your way up as you never know who you'll meet on the way back down.

 

Perhaps he is affronted by the fact he has to purchase a ticket? Can't see why he should be as it would be the first positive contibution he could be making for years IMO.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

There are two clear camps on this. You either like him ..or you don't.

Others have pointed out negatives but he did give us our only trophy, and that wasn't luck either, MU and Tommy Docherty

had a good side out and we were Div.2 (CCC).

 

The later years in the era of the " Five England captains " gave those of us who remember it - the finest football of that / or any other generation. 1983/4 season we finished second to Liverpool by only three points, and there are fans who say ..had the season been two weeks longer - we would have won the league title. It was no surprise that he eventually left (for his ill-fated return to Sunderland) when - as Kevin Keegan pointed out - the directors wouldn't approve more money for big signings. Sunderland weren't called " the Bank of England club " for nothing! He had come to the end of his tether.

I was disappointed - but not surprised. Historically the Saints' Board has always failed the club over money at crucial times - even back in 1948/9, and here was another betrayal.

 

As for those who think him arrogant, he said on his appointment (1973) that his brash Geordie style would ruffle a few feathers - and it did. However, he came on Ted Bates' recommendation and in hindsight I think he was the best choice. LM had confidence in his ideas and his players and wasn't afraid to say so. Many players lifted their game under his guidance and what he did to lift the club's morale and image may never be repeated. He has had phases of unpopularity - and others of a higher ethical standing, as when the Board / Rupert Lowe refused to allow Graham Souness money to buy players, and he quit in protest, along with GS.

 

Maybe it's the old North v. South squabble..we can't get along with them, and they don't like our " stupid " accents. Personally, I think LM deserves a lot more credit than some give him, and rate as one of the best managers the club has had......arrogance or not. His contempories as managers had respect for him ; (Sir) Bobby Robson, Brian Clough, Jack Charlton, Ron Atkinson and Graham Taylor - even though they didn't always agree on everything - in public.

 

A generation of " younger fans" who are quick to decry his contribution to the clubs history are only looking at half the story.

 

I'm honestly not decrying what he did for this club, the FA Cup, Keegan, 1984, I just find him most disagreeable unfortunately. Just something abouit the way he goes about his business, acts just doesn't stick well with me.

[david in sweden]

I'm honestly not decrying what he did for this club, the FA Cup, Keegan, 1984, I just find him most disagreeable unfortunately. Just something abouit the way he goes about his business, acts just doesn't stick well with me.

 

 

Yes I believe you, and I can understand that his " manner " does upset some,

but many of the most successful people (in every field) tend to stand out and have some sort or " charisma " or " arrogance " ( as observed by others ).

I have met " successful " people in many professions and they have a driving force that many of us don't possess and it can be interpreted in many ways.

 

We are (thankfully) not all alike, but Lawrie had special qualities in handling players and changed our club " image ".

 

Personally speaking, I'd prefer a McMenemy or Strachan to Hoddle or Burley anytime.

[aintforever]

There are two clear camps on this.

 

Yeah, there's one big camp full of true Saints fans and there's a two man tent with Dibden Purlieu Saint and Nineteen Canteen spooning in front of shrine of Rupert Lowe.

[hamster]

Lawrie Mac managed the teams that gave me the most pleasureable time in my footballing life, and I missed '76 and '79. For that I would buy the man a beer. Just the one the one though, as I would expct him to stand his round just like any other 'decent bloke'. I wouldn't go out of my way to do so, but if ever he does have the pleasure of meeting me, I would like to put my 'decent bloke' theory to the test.

[Crowds]

Most definitely will, knowing Lawrie.

 

I know I'm in the minority, and I know he did a lot for this club, but I still really dislike the man for some reason.

 

totally agree, ok he won the fa cup and came second in league. But he's had a meal ticket ever since. free shares etc etc

 

Crowds.

Edited 16 September, 2009 by Crowds

[hamster]

totally agree, ok he won the fa cup and came second in league. But we've been a meal ticket ever since. free shares etc etc

 

Crowds.

Plus he helped us acquire the services of one of the best managers we never had (well, not here for long was he), in NP. And I understand from my sources that his contacts waived their fees to boot.

 

Although the last bit is most likely not factually accurate.

[St Chalet]

Lawrie Mac managed the teams that gave me the most pleasureable time in my footballing life, and I missed '76 and '79. For that I would buy the man a beer. Just the one the one though, as I would expct him to stand his round just like any other 'decent bloke'. I wouldn't go out of my way to do so, but if ever he does have the pleasure of meeting me, I would like to put my 'decent bloke' theory to the test.

 

+1.

[JustMike]

Couldn't see it posted anywhere else, Apologies if it is.

 

http://www.solent.ac.uk/lmcfr/home.aspx

 

Good luck LM

 

yep good stuff, worked with a couple of the lecturers that set this up and Lawrie was more than happy to put his name to it. And no, as far as i am aware he gets no £££ from it.

[JustMike]

Perhaps it is now the other way around and I don't suppose given his friendship with Crouch that he is best drinking buddies with Andrew Oldknow. I may be wrong but McMenemy strikes me as the type of person who had burned plenty of bridges along the way and not just with Lowe. Perhaps he forgot that old saying - be nice to people on your way up as you never know who you'll meet on the way back down.

 

Perhaps he is affronted by the fact he has to purchase a ticket? Can't see why he should be as it would be the first positive contibution he could be making for years IMO.

 

shame Lord lowe didnt think the same then hey

[ottery st mary]

Well done Sir Lawrie ..Has given so much to Southampton, The club and the peeps of our great City.

Also thanks for so many GREAT memories.

[VectisSaint]

Yeah, there's one big camp full of true Saints fans and there's a two man tent with Dibden Purlieu Saint and Nineteen Canteen spooning in front of shrine of Rupert Lowe.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and DPS explains his dislike but generally doesn't insult the guy. I think it is a touch unfair though to lump him into the same camp as our resident troll.

 

I have a great affection for Lawrie, and he has positively contributed more than most to this great club. Sure there are a few things he could have handled better, but everyone makes mistakes, even the great Ted was not flawless. I have met him, and I could well imagine not getting on with him at a personal level, his manner would easily grate, but hell, he probably would not like me either. There are many people who I would probably not be best buddies with but some people rise above that and gain respect simply for what they achieved and the pleasure that they gave not just to me but countless others, Lawrie is one such.

 

If people want to dislike him thats fine, but some of the purile insults that are sometimes to be found on some people's posts on here are just pathetic and reveal a worrying hatred, showing how infantile some posters can be (maybe that should be singular).

 

I sincerely hope that both Lawrie and Leon are to be seen at SMS again soon. Our history is important and those who contributed positively to the club's history should always be welcome. One or two should never be seen near the place again!!!

[sotonjoe]

Christ ... there's nothing like a classic Lawrie thread is there!?!?!?

 

Up next ... did player power play a pivotal part in the downfall of Paul Sturrock?

[tpbury]

There are two clear camps on this. You either like him ..or you don't.

Others have pointed out negatives but he did give us our only trophy, and that wasn't luck either, MU and Tommy Docherty

had a good side out and we were Div.2 (CCC).

 

The later years in the era of the " Five England captains " gave those of us who remember it - the finest football of that / or any other generation. 1983/4 season we finished second to Liverpool by only three points, and there are fans who say ..had the season been two weeks longer - we would have won the league title. It was no surprise that he eventually left (for his ill-fated return to Sunderland) when - as Kevin Keegan pointed out - the directors wouldn't approve more money for big signings. Sunderland weren't called " the Bank of England club " for nothing! He had come to the end of his tether.

I was disappointed - but not surprised. Historically the Saints' Board has always failed the club over money at crucial times - even back in 1948/9, and here was another betrayal.

 

As for those who think him arrogant, he said on his appointment (1973) that his brash Geordie style would ruffle a few feathers - and it did. However, he came on Ted Bates' recommendation and in hindsight I think he was the best choice. LM had confidence in his ideas and his players and wasn't afraid to say so. Many players lifted their game under his guidance and what he did to lift the club's morale and image may never be repeated. He has had phases of unpopularity - and others of a higher ethical standing, as when the Board / Rupert Lowe refused to allow Graham Souness money to buy players, and he quit in protest, along with GS.

 

Maybe it's the old North v. South squabble..we can't get along with them, and they don't like our " stupid " accents. Personally, I think LM deserves a lot more credit than some give him, and rate as one of the best managers the club has had......arrogance or not. His contempories as managers had respect for him ; (Sir) Bobby Robson, Brian Clough, Jack Charlton, Ron Atkinson and Graham Taylor - even though they didn't always agree on everything - in public.

 

A generation of " younger fans" who are quick to decry his contribution to the clubs history are only looking at half the story.

 

An excellent post. We don't have to blindly say 'we are for him' or 'against him', but we must acknowledge what he achieved and commited to this club.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Yeah, there's one big camp full of true Saints fans and there's a two man tent with Dibden Purlieu Saint and Nineteen Canteen spooning in front of shrine of Rupert Lowe.

 

*Yawn*, my God, just because I dislike someones personality I get lumped as a Lowe luvvie (****ing hell, the name is dredged up again).

 

I put it to that if you like Lawries personality that says a hell of a lot more about you than about me.

[Lets B Avenue]

Yeah, there's one big camp full of true Saints fans and there's a two man tent with Dibden Purlieu Saint and Nineteen Canteen spooning in front of shrine of Rupert Lowe.

 

That,'s not really fair on DPS. You would need a much bigger tent to house the multiple personalities.

[Scummer]

Perhaps he is affronted by the fact he has to purchase a ticket? Can't see why he should be as it would be the first positive contibution he could be making for years IMO.

 

Apart from the thousands of pounds that a box costs of course.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

We don't have to blindly say 'we are for him' or 'against him', but we must acknowledge what he achieved.

 

Agree

[solentstars]

There are two clear camps on this. You either like him ..or you don't.

Others have pointed out negatives but he did give us our only trophy, and that wasn't luck either, MU and Tommy Docherty

had a good side out and we were Div.2 (CCC).

 

The later years in the era of the " Five England captains " gave those of us who remember it - the finest football of that / or any other generation. 1983/4 season we finished second to Liverpool by only three points, and there are fans who say ..had the season been two weeks longer - we would have won the league title. It was no surprise that he eventually left (for his ill-fated return to Sunderland) when - as Kevin Keegan pointed out - the directors wouldn't approve more money for big signings. Sunderland weren't called " the Bank of England club " for nothing! He had come to the end of his tether.

I was disappointed - but not surprised. Historically the Saints' Board has always failed the club over money at crucial times - even back in 1948/9, and here was another betrayal.

 

As for those who think him arrogant, he said on his appointment (1973) that his brash Geordie style would ruffle a few feathers - and it did. However, he came on Ted Bates' recommendation and in hindsight I think he was the best choice. LM had confidence in his ideas and his players and wasn't afraid to say so. Many players lifted their game under his guidance and what he did to lift the club's morale and image may never be repeated. He has had phases of unpopularity - and others of a higher ethical standing, as when the Board / Rupert Lowe refused to allow Graham Souness money to buy players, and he quit in protest, along with GS.

 

Maybe it's the old North v. South squabble..we can't get along with them, and they don't like our " stupid " accents. Personally, I think LM deserves a lot more credit than some give him, and rate as one of the best managers the club has had......arrogance or not. His contempories as managers had respect for him ; (Sir) Bobby Robson, Brian Clough, Jack Charlton, Ron Atkinson and Graham Taylor - even though they didn't always agree on everything - in public.

 

A generation of " younger fans" who are quick to decry his contribution to the clubs history are only looking at half the story.

 

the mans a legend,runners up in the old div 1 ,fa cup win and league cup finalists,some of the greatest footballers in the league played at this club ,keegan ,ball etc,

great football and regular europeon football.

how i wish for those great days and cannot believe we have so called saints fans knocking that great era when we overacheived big time:Dthey must be barkin mad.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

the mans a legend,runners up in the old div 1 ,fa cup win and league cup finalists,some of the greatest footballers in the league played at this club ,keegan ,ball etc,

great football and regular europeon football.

how i wish for those great days and cannot believe we have so called saints fans knocking that great era when we overacheived big time:Dthey must be barkin mad.

 

Read the threads again and you'll see no noe is having a go at those days or what was achieved. It really is annoying when people try to jump on the bandwagon and start having a go about something they've misunderstood.

[david in sweden]

Most definitely will, knowing Lawrie.

 

I know I'm in the minority, and I know he did a lot for this club, but I still really dislike the man for some reason.

 

 

Yes DPS this thread has developed into a support theme for Lawrie's unique achievements.

However, it would be interesting if you could figure out " the reason WHY it is you really dislike him " (your quote).

 

I'm not trying to knock you, and maybe I'm more philosophical than most and his " behaviour / attitude) doesn't overly bother me, but when you take a poke at a legendary figure like LM you must expect to hear a gut reaction from a lot of us.

[Fan The Flames]

Read the threads again and you'll see no noe is having a go at those days or what was achieved. It really is annoying when people try to jump on the bandwagon and start having a go about something they've misunderstood.

 

Hangon a minute someone started a thread about an acedemic institution and you jump straight in slagging LM off, starting with a snide dig.There was no reason other that to tell everyone you dislike him, who cares what you think. Stop ****in moaning about people disliking your contribution and come back when the thread is about LM's personality, or start it yourself.

[SaintRichmond]

Just as an aside I notice Lawrie's and Leon's box no longer exists at SMS.

 

Hmmmm , surely a TRUE Supporter would PAY for his ticket ???????

[ottery st mary]

*Yawn*, my God, just because I dislike someones personality I get lumped as a Lowe luvvie (****ing hell, the name is dredged up again).

 

I put it to that if you like Lawries personality that says a hell of a lot more about you than about me.

 

 

Been away for a while...please bring me up to speed...What is a Lowe Luvvie and why are you NC and up and away usually called by this wierd description.

 

PS..I am a Lawrie Luvvie

Crouchey Luvvie

MLT Luvvie

ML and NC Luvvie..But especially a Saints Luvvie.:cool:

 

 

Cheers:) All you Lowey Luvvies..I have really missed your RA RA..POM POM twirling Majorette style of posting...But not lets go there again girls

 

 

 

:smt070

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Yes DPS this thread has developed into a support theme for Lawrie's unique achievements.

However, it would be interesting if you could figure out " the reason WHY it is you really dislike him " (your quote).

 

I'm not trying to knock you, and maybe I'm more philosophical than most and his " behaviour / attitude) doesn't overly bother me, but when you take a poke at a legendary figure like LM you must expect to hear a gut reaction from a lot of us.

 

I said earlier on, I just really don't like his personality, and his attitude. Come across him at a couple of Pro/Am's and he is not very approachable in any way, shape or form.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Hangon a minute someone started a thread about an acedemic institution and you jump straight in slagging LM off, starting with a snide dig.There was no reason other that to tell everyone you dislike him, who cares what you think. Stop ****in moaning about people disliking your contribution and come back when the thread is about LM's personality, or start it yourself.

 

I'm not moaning about him disliking my contribution, I'm moaning about him misunderstanding my contribution.

[aintforever]

*Yawn*, my God, just because I dislike someones personality I get lumped as a Lowe luvvie (****ing hell, the name is dredged up again).

 

I put it to that if you like Lawries personality that says a hell of a lot more about you than about me.

 

Not really, Lawrie Mac is a legend, I couldn't care less if has any particular personality flaw in his old age - it doesn't matter and unless he's dogged your missus it shouldn't matter to you IMO.

[Thedelldays]

Plus he helped us acquire the services of one of the best managers we never had (well, not here for long was he), in NP. And I understand from my sources that his contacts waived their fees to boot.

 

Although the last bit is most likely not factually accurate.

jesus...talk about OTT

[solentstars]

Yes DPS this thread has developed into a support theme for Lawrie's unique achievements.

However, it would be interesting if you could figure out " the reason WHY it is you really dislike him " (your quote).

 

I'm not trying to knock you, and maybe I'm more philosophical than most and his " behaviour / attitude) doesn't overly bother me, but when you take a poke at a legendary figure like LM you must expect to hear a gut reaction from a lot of us.

good post sums it up

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

good post sums it up

 

The point is I have said I dislike him on a personal level, I have never said that what he achieved should be looked down on or anything along those lines. It was an innocuous comment that people seem to have reacted very badly to.

[rpb]

Plus he helped us acquire the services of one of the best managers we never had (well, not here for long was he), in NP.

 

It's just as well that you explained which manager you're talking about.

[Fan The Flames]

The point is I have said I dislike him on a personal level, I have never said that what he achieved should be looked down on or anything along those lines. It was an innocuous comment that people seem to have reacted very badly to.

 

But your comment wasn't innocuous though was it, first line of the third post and completly off subject you purposely questioned his integrity. You had nothing to say about the OP but wanted to slag LM of and then you get all shirty that you are misunderstood.

 

What he achieved is enough for most Saints fans to ignore any minor personality flaws (of which I'm not aware of any) and to be perfectly honest if you dislike him because your paths happen to briefy cross in charity circles then you are very sad indeed.

Edited 17 September, 2009 by Fan The Flames

[Fan The Flames]

jesus...talk about OTT

 

No, someone has to be the best manager we never had, he not saying he's the best manager in the world. It just like saying you are the best Thedelldays on this forum.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

No, someone has to be the best manager we never had, he not saying he's the best manager in the world. It just like saying you are the best Thedelldays on this forum.

 

Jose Mourinho for me then.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

But your comment wasn't innocuous though was it, first line of the third post and completly off subject you purposely questioned his integrity. You had nothing to say about the OP but wanted to slag LM of and then you get all shirty that you are misunderstood.

 

What he achieved is enough for most Saints fans to ignore any minor personality flaws (of which I'm not aware of any) and to be perfectly honest if you dislike him because your paths happen to briefy cross in charity circles then you are very sad indeed.

 

So I'm not allowed to judge someone I have met then? Just plain not allowed to? Unbelievably ridiculous thing to say. All I said was that I dislike him, and yes, after what happened under Wilde/Hoos/Crouch I do question his integrity, and particularly towards the Southampton cause. And as noted, I do believe that I am in the minority. This board really is full of some sanctimonious self-righteous *****s, where if you go against the status quo, whatever your reason, you get castigated. Mental.

 

FWIW I hope it does well as I am sure there are many more stakeholders who could lose from this.

Edited 17 September, 2009 by Dibden Purlieu Saint

[Fan The Flames]

So I'm not allowed to judge someone I have met then? Just plain not allowed to? Unbelievably ridiculous thing to say. All I said was that I dislike him, and yes, after what happened under Wilde/Hoos/Crouch I do question his integrity, and particularly towards the Southampton cause. And as noted, I do believe that I am in the minority. This board really is full of some sanctimonious self-righteous *****s, where if you go against the status quo, whatever your reason, you get castigated. Mental.

 

FWIW I hope it does well as I am sure there are many more stakeholders who could lose from this.

 

Stop taking the moral high ground, yes you are sad for judging someone you have met briefly and not stopping to think that there may be more to them. But that's not the real reason you don't like him is it, its because of the Lowe/Crouch schism, yet you moaned when someone mentioned that, up on that high ground again. You understood that people might disagree with you but those that voice it are sanctimonious self-righteous *****, still up there again you must be getting cold. If you want to have a pop at LM then be a man and start a thread and be prepared to stand by your views, instead of coming in under the radar with little snide comments and then getting shirty when people pick you up on it. I'll look forward to it as you will have me and countless others defending LM over anything you snide c#nts can throw at him.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

defending LM over anything you snide c#nts can throw at him.

 

What is snide about DPS's posts, he is judging him on personal experience, why are you getting so unnecessary ?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Stop taking the moral high ground, yes you are sad for judging someone you have met briefly and not stopping to think that there may be more to them. But that's not the real reason you don't like him is it, its because of the Lowe/Crouch schism, yet you moaned when someone mentioned that, up on that high ground again. You understood that people might disagree with you but those that voice it are sanctimonious self-righteous *****, still up there again you must be getting cold. If you want to have a pop at LM then be a man and start a thread and be prepared to stand by your views, instead of coming in under the radar with little snide comments and then getting shirty when people pick you up on it. I'll look forward to it as you will have me and countless others defending LM over anything you snide c#nts can throw at him.

 

Lowe?! What's he got to do with me disliking Lawire for being rude at a golf pro/am? I AM NOT A LOWE SUPPORTER!!

 

The moral high ground had already been lost by you when you decided that I'm not allowed my own free mind.

 

Either way, I'm not getting dragged into this, got far too much work to do.

 

Can't believe I get this sort of reaction for saying that I dislike someone's personality. This country.