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Miles into the season, Pardew informs us fans that he "wants" to bring in a Striker, to help Lambert out up front .....

 

 

Funny, if it were not so serious .....

 

Last season, Lambert was TOP SCORER in Div 1, ( for Bristol Rovers) WHY ???? ..... because they UTILISED HIS STRENGTHS, and played to them. He was NOT however, their Front Target man

 

So why did Pardew the Prophet shove him in as mainly a Lone Striker, and still expect the Goals to come along as they did for Rovers last season ??? ...Lambert is not that sort of Goal Predater ........ of COURSE he neede someone up front with him .... over 20000 Regulars could have told Pardew that .........BAD TEAM MANAGEMENT IMHO

 

I think Pardew has been tacticly inept, and is playing the wrong system.

Whichever way you look at it .... He has brought in SEVEN new players, and the nett result is, we are (currently) no better reults wise from what we were last season

 

It is not good enough Pardew .... your tactics/ system is WRONG

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Miles into the season, Pardew informs us fans that he "wants" to bring in a Striker, to help Lambert out up front .....

 

 

Funny, if it were not so serious .....

 

Last season, Lambert was TOP SCORER in Div 1, ( for Bristol Rovers) WHY ???? ..... because they UTILISED HIS STRENGTHS, and played to them. He was NOT however, their Front Target man

 

So why did Pardew the Prophet shove him in as mainly a Lone Striker, and still expect the Goals to come along as they did for Rovers last season ??? ...Lambert is not that sort of Goal Predater ........ of COURSE he neede someone up front with him .... over 20000 Regulars could have told Pardew that .........BAD TEAM MANAGEMENT IMHO

 

I think Pardew has been tacticly inept, and is playing the wrong system.

Whichever way you look at it .... He has brought in SEVEN new players, and the nett result is, we are (currently) no better reults wise from what we were last season

 

It is not good enough Pardew .... your tactics/ system is WRONG

 

hang on a minute, AP cant play another striker up with him at the moment because we dont have one good enough (or interested enough). So before you jump on APs back, at least he is trying to sort it out.

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Well we did have quite a roster of strikers at the club with Rasiak, Saga, paterson initally - I guess after this "miles into the season" he has finally realised that the roster doesn't have the type of player to partner him.

 

When you say playing the wrong system - isn't it up to the players to play to the gaffers system and not the other way around ?

 

Out of interst what would you say are Lamberts strengths ?

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hang on a minute, AP cant play another striker up with him at the moment because we dont have one good enough (or interested enough). So before you jump on APs back, at least he is trying to sort it out.

 

Agreed! You can only play a system that works for the players you have! AP hasn't had anyone to play along side him.....he tried Saga, that didn't work. Paterson, didn't work. Now he's trying Lallana playing in behind him and Papa...still not ideal but he hasn't got any options.

 

So, rightly, he's trying to get someone else in. What more can the guy do?!

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Look, I understand the frustration - its easy to be critical when we've still not broken out of the negative points barrier let alone the relegation zone, but we have to give this re-building process time. Pardew is the key to us getting back to where we belong, just like Fergie did for ManU all those years ago. PLEASE be patient people - it is VERY early days in an effort that will take five years to correct and these early days WILL seem as if we're not making progress, but we really are...it's just we cannot see all the building blocks being put in place.

 

Judge AP at the end of the season based on whether he keeps us in this league, because realistically that's all we were ever going to achieve this season regardless of our final league placing.

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Out of interst what would you say are Lamberts strengths ?

 

Scoring goals? In a side that creates very little he is our top scorer with 6.

He wins 90% in the air and directs them to teammates and not just anywhere....shame some of them are too slow or lazy to get beyond him.

 

I am a big fan of his as he is exactly what this team needs.....shame we have no supply to help him.

He has a very good football brain...after watching BWP its sheer joy.

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Scoring goals? In a side that creates very little he is our top scorer with 6.

He wins 90% in the air and directs them to teammates and not just anywhere....shame some of them are too slow or lazy to get beyond him.

 

I am a big fan of his as he is exactly what this team needs.....shame we have no supply to help him.

He has a very good football brain...after watching BWP its sheer joy.

 

I agree Lambert is class it seems such a long time ago we had a proper centre forward love watching this guy play we do need someone in to share the holdup & build up play & someone to supply him him with decent service when we have that we will have a great team

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League 1 Top Scorers

 

Beckford (Leeds United) 7

Forster (Brighton) 7

 

Baker (Stockport) 6

Barnard (Southend) 6

Jackson (Gillingham) 6

Lisbie (Colchester) 6

Lambert (Southampton) 5

Burton (Charlton) 5

Johnson (Leeds United) 5

Kuffour (Bristol Rovers) 5

 

So 5 league goals from 9 league games, and 1 in the cup. Some people will complain about anything.....

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Yawn.

 

Saga is finished, if he was interested he'd be about 4kg lighter. Neither he nor Rasiak rushed to leave the club during the window leaving little or no time to bring in a replacement.

 

The midfield players we have inherited do not have any natural wide players apart from Holmes who 1) was injured and 2) doesn't seem to be doing anything to push himself into the team.

 

Perhaps he decided to have a look and see if Lallana, Saga or Patterson could fit the bill. We've had ten games, that was 3 games to look at each of them. Jeez, 3 games to learn how to play off a new forward.....

 

At the moment he is fitting square pegs into round holes, it's clear that some more is needed and the manager has told us he needs to do it and told us he is trying to do something.

 

Perhaps you have a list of players in mind that are available on loan? I don't, but then I don't play CM09 or whatever this month's version is called

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Look, I understand the frustration - its easy to be critical when we've still not broken out of the negative points barrier let alone the relegation zone, but we have to give this re-building process time. Pardew is the key to us getting back to where we belong, just like Fergie did for ManU all those years ago. PLEASE be patient people - it is VERY early days in an effort that will take five years to correct and these early days WILL seem as if we're not making progress, but we really are...it's just we cannot see all the building blocks being put in place.

 

Judge AP at the end of the season based on whether he keeps us in this league, because realistically that's all we were ever going to achieve this season regardless of our final league placing.

 

Good post. I will join you in judging AP and the team at the END of the season. In the meantime let's try not to get frustrated I mean at one stage we nearly had no team. It's a five year plan so just let AP get on with it

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Yawn.

 

Saga is finished, if he was interested he'd be about 4kg lighter. Neither he nor Rasiak rushed to leave the club during the window leaving little or no time to bring in a replacement.

 

The midfield players we have inherited do not have any natural wide players apart from Holmes who 1) was injured and 2) doesn't seem to be doing anything to push himself into the team.

 

Perhaps he decided to have a look and see if Lallana, Saga or Patterson could fit the bill. We've had ten games, that was 3 games to look at each of them. Jeez, 3 games to learn how to play off a new forward.....

 

At the moment he is fitting square pegs into round holes, it's clear that some more is needed and the manager has told us he needs to do it and told us he is trying to do something.

 

Perhaps you have a list of players in mind that are available on loan? I don't, but then I don't play CM09 or whatever this month's version is called

 

What pardew wants is a foil for Lambert because he's uncertain of Waigo, preferably someone whose pacy so we can free up Lambert upfront, someone who knows league one football/championship football. You have to remember Waigo is new to it and is learning and at times that can be steep compared to the pace of Serie A & B.

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Well we did have quite a roster of strikers at the club with Rasiak, Saga, paterson initally - I guess after this "miles into the season" he has finally realised that the roster doesn't have the type of player to partner him.

 

When you say playing the wrong system - isn't it up to the players to play to the gaffers system and not the other way around ?

 

Out of interst what would you say are Lamberts strengths ?

 

Well, I didn't see all of Lambert's goals for Rovers ... but I did see enough to realise that he is not an out and out "target" man, more of a "poacher", coming from deeper out

 

As regard sto everybody pointing out that we did not have a welth of strikers at the start of the season, my answer is the same as it was then ......ie, we had Rasiak, and if the Lazy SOB did not want to Play, then he was in breach of Contract .... so WHY PAY HIM

 

Apart from that, if is was THAT clear that we needed another striker, Pardew should have gone out and got one..INSTEAD of leaving Lambert all alone up front, and watch his goals Tally plummet

 

The Jury has been out a while now .... we are the "envy" of most other Div 1 Clubs as regards available resources etc, yet we are STILL in a MINUS points situation

 

The excuses are beginning to wear thin .... Pardew has NOT assembled a WINNING TEAM

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Well, I didn't see all of Lambert's goals for Rovers ... but I did see enough to realise that he is not an out and out "target" man, more of a "poacher", coming from deeper out

 

As regard sto everybody pointing out that we did not have a welth of strikers at the start of the season, my answer is the same as it was then ......ie, we had Rasiak, and if the Lazy SOB did not want to Play, then he was in breach of Contract .... so WHY PAY HIM

 

Apart from that, if is was THAT clear that we needed another striker, Pardew should have gone out and got one..INSTEAD of leaving Lambert all alone up front, and watch his goals Tally plummet

 

The Jury has been out a while now .... we are the "envy" of most other Div 1 Clubs as regards available resources etc, yet we are STILL in a MINUS points situation

 

The excuses are beginning to wear thin .... Pardew has NOT assembled a WINNING TEAM

 

 

To be fair to him he was expecting Stern John to stay and had no idea what was going to happen to the Poles

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No width, no pace, no ability to get the ball to the bye line, majority of crosses coming from nearer the halfway line than goal line. I suggest goal scoring will always be a bit of a problem.

 

Good points ......... perhaps it might be worth someone suggesting to Pardew and his Prem Quality assistant Coaches/Managers that they could have a look at those deficiencies ..........and, hey, yes, I know ... COACH the players on how to do them .....

 

.... I mean, we are only Fans, yet we noticed the lack of those assets ages ago ....

 

Goal scoring ??? ..... I bet Ron Davies is eternally grateful he had Paine and Sydenham in the same Team .... those two knew how to do all those things.....and as a result, we scored SHEDLOADS

 

The simple things are always the most effective ............ ( as the wife keeps telling me ):D

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Good points ......... perhaps it might be worth someone suggesting to Pardew and his Prem Quality assistant Coaches/Managers that they could have a look at those deficiencies ..........and, hey, yes, I know ... COACH the players on how to do them .....

 

.... I mean, we are only Fans, yet we noticed the lack of those assets ages ago ....

 

Goal scoring ??? ..... I bet Ron Davies is eternally grateful he had Paine and Sydenham in the same Team .... those two knew how to do all those things.....and as a result, we scored SHEDLOADS

 

The simple things are always the most effective ............ ( as the wife keeps telling me ):D

 

They are and without so many dots which are meaningless.

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I know stern left a little while ago byut surely it still makes sense to evaluate the resources you have before making expensive decisions to bring players in. Also, it has to also be clear that the type of player you are looking for has become available, which is not always the case.

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I know stern left a little while ago byut surely it still makes sense to evaluate the resources you have before making expensive decisions to bring players in. Also, it has to also be clear that the type of player you are looking for has become available, which is not always the case.

 

Surely it has been very clear for a very long time (since August) that with the exception of Davis, Lallana, and possibly James and the ever-injured Holmes, we have not had the player-resources to cope with even League 2's standards. Such has been AP's inherited problem. Better to build up the team in stages than to go all out for a dream team, which as you say has not been available to buy.

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Good points ......... perhaps it might be worth someone suggesting to Pardew and his Prem Quality assistant Coaches/Managers that they could have a look at those deficiencies ..........and, hey, yes, I know ... COACH the players on how to do them .....

 

.... I mean, we are only Fans, yet we noticed the lack of those assets ages ago ....

 

Goal scoring ??? ..... I bet Ron Davies is eternally grateful he had Paine and Sydenham in the same Team .... those two knew how to do all those things.....and as a result, we scored SHEDLOADS

 

The simple things are always the most effective ............ ( as the wife keeps telling me ):D

 

Perhaps you should read some of the interviews and watch some of the Saints TV links. AP has clearly said that the players have not been properly coached, lack footballing intelligence and experience.

 

He has told us and shown us video clips of the fact that he is working on those problems, he has appointed coaching staff and scouts to go out and find better players. If you were to be bothered to read it there is a whole thread discussing his statement that he is looking to bring in support for Lambert.

 

Like I said, he could be criticsed for the way he is setting up the team, but IMHO that is limited by the choices he has in the squad at the moment. He has brought in what 7 new players already, the transfer window is closed and he has to look for out of contract players or loans. Nobody so far has posted a list of suitable loan players who are available that we could discuss sensibly.

 

AP is not immune from valid and constructive criticism, but I'm sorry for you to post stuff like this which is patently untrue makes me wonder whether you are Lowe in disguise, Trousers' post is spot on

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No width, no pace, no ability to get the ball to the bye line, majority of crosses coming from nearer the halfway line than goal line. I suggest goal scoring will always be a bit of a problem.

 

As I said on a previous thread, the statistics will tell you more goals come from crosses hit from deep than from cut backs from the bye line in professional football. Beckham proves that you do not need pace to hit a killer cross. On Tuesday Lambert had a very good chance in the first half from a superb cross hit from deep by Lloyd James, but sadly he did not hit the target.

 

I agree about the lack of width with four central mid-fielders playing across the middle, but hopefully when Holmes is back fit we will solve half of that problem.

 

Agree on lack of pace, just Papa and Harding from Tuesday's team

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Perhaps you should read some of the interviews and watch some of the Saints TV links. AP has clearly said that the players have not been properly coached, lack footballing intelligence and experience.

 

He has told us and shown us video clips of the fact that he is working on those problems, he has appointed coaching staff and scouts to go out and find better players. If you were to be bothered to read it there is a whole thread discussing his statement that he is looking to bring in support for Lambert.

 

Like I said, he could be criticsed for the way he is setting up the team, but IMHO that is limited by the choices he has in the squad at the moment. He has brought in what 7 new players already, the transfer window is closed and he has to look for out of contract players or loans. Nobody so far has posted a list of suitable loan players who are available that we could discuss sensibly.

 

AP is not immune from valid and constructive criticism, but I'm sorry for you to post stuff like this which is patently untrue makes me wonder whether you are Lowe in disguise, Trousers' post is spot on

 

 

I find that strange coming from you dubai phil ...

 

I think it fair to say that most people on here know me as a 1000% ANTI LOWEITE ... always have been

 

Pardew drew the short straw from the point of limited time after the Pinnacle debacle, but it is still my point of view that the TEAM is not playing as I, and many others had expected it to perform at this stage

 

Hiding behind the residue of what was inherited DOES have it's limits, I would venture to say that a lot of people were expecting Saints to be in a PLUS points situation by now

 

Even amatuer Saturday or Sunday players know the basics of how to play Football ........... when you see so called Professionals who "appear" not to know the same basics begars belief, IMHO

 

OK, it is on record that he is looking to bring in support for Lambert ... I question the fact that UNTIL he gets someone, what is the point of asking Lambert to play the type of game that does NOT suit his Bristol Rovers type Goalscoring

 

I'm a ST holder for more years than I care to admit..... As I've said many times, I moan on here ..... at the match, I cheer the Saints:)

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I agree, he could have been hoping for Lambert and John, who would have made a fearsome duo. The fact that he is looking for a loan shows that he is aware of the problem and is trying to fix it..!

 

pretty much the same player if you ask me. Both play very much with their back to goal. Main difference is that Lambert wins headers.

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Why sign Waigo if he can't play up front? Is he seriously going to be considered as a right midfielder in a 4-4-2?

 

AP thinks it is going to take PW sometime to get used to the style and pace of English (lower league) football. He needs someone capable of coming in and doing the the job now.

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Let us not forget that it was Pas Dieu who paid a small fortune to sign Bobby Zamora from Brighton at a time when no one else was interested. To date he's never set the place on fire.

 

We have a better chance of reverting a player like Ollie Lancaster to a striker as anything else. After all, Kenwyne Jones was brought into Saints as a center half but converted to center forward via experiences aka Redcrap on the wing.

 

A decent manager could turn the current players into a winning side, something that Pas Dieu has to date failed to do despite having the world at his feet transfer wise.

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As I said on a previous thread, the statistics will tell you more goals come from crosses hit from deep than from cut backs from the bye line in professional football. Beckham proves that you do not need pace to hit a killer cross. On Tuesday Lambert had a very good chance in the first half from a superb cross hit from deep by Lloyd James, but sadly he did not hit the target.

 

I agree about the lack of width with four central mid-fielders playing across the middle, but hopefully when Holmes is back fit we will solve half of that problem.

 

Agree on lack of pace, just Papa and Harding from Tuesday's team

 

Take your word on the crossing stat but would you not agree that we are very predictable in our forward play at the moment and in some ways that is little different to last season. We get in front, are unable to finish the job and we get caught.

 

I want AP to stay and hopefully sort it out.

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Should of kept stern or even bwp,nobody had to be sold once the new owners stepped in and pardew could have had the pick of any of the strikers under contract.

 

Sorry to keep picking on your posts but thats a bit mental isn't it given that AP tried everything he could to keep him!!!

Was it AP fault that Stern's agent got him a move to a division higher....BWP was also moved on a division higher and can you tell me what BWP did here to keep him?

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Should of kept stern or even bwp,nobody had to be sold once the new owners stepped in and pardew could have had the pick of any of the strikers under contract.

 

how? Stern was free agent, offered contract and chose to leave.

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i have to say..lambert is class..he win 90% of balls in the air and does not waste possession much...all this with mostly 2 markers on him are very near by.....

 

I can see why he scored loads for rovers...if we played two wide men that could get decent crosses in (do not have to be brilliant) from advanced positions then he will bang em in..

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