Bridge Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Looking across from the Kingsland stand yesterday I notice that LM & LC box is no longer got there sign over the top. Does anyone know if they still own the box? Do they go to any home games? Do they sit in the directors seats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 not noticed them recently - used to see them there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 I think that box has been gone for a few months. Haven't seen them around for a while....i think Leon has an interest in Eastleigh now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 I think that box has been gone for a few months. Haven't seen them around for a while....i think Leon has an interest in Eastleigh now though. surely he still goes to saints tho? Just assumed he gave box up and sits in stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Old news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 I notice there are many empty exec' box's this season - no doubt a sign of the recession and our reduced stature in the game . These box's are significant money earners so I'd imagine (to state the obvious) that selling them will be high on the agenda for Nicola Cortese and our commercial director (who he ?) next summer if not before . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilsburydoughboy Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 A lot of the boxes are empty.The club want a lot of money for a box at league one level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 I was told that Lawrie and Leon go Wild boar hunting on Saturdays, down old Rupes Ranch.....with John B, jonah, sadoldgit and 19 canteen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 A lot of the boxes are empty.The club want a lot of money for a box at league one level. I can't believe that money is the issue with Leon. Something has happened. May be something to do with the money he fronted during administration, but Leon was a fan long before he got anyway near the board and for him to just ditch it weeks after pumping dead money into the club seems very strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Thought he still had his "company" box? Leon and Lawrie one hasn't been there all season. As stated previously, being Eastleigh's main sponsor, means he spends a fair bit of time there now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge Posted 25 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Old news If it is old news can you shed some light on any of my questions then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 I can't believe that money is the issue with Leon. Something has happened. May be something to do with the money he fronted during administration, but Leon was a fan long before he got anyway near the board and for him to just ditch it weeks after pumping dead money into the club seems very strange. Leon will not have lost any money "pumped in during administration" His absence is more likely to be down to "backing the wrong horse" History. It belongs in museums now, we are Southampton 2009, we cherish our history that got us to where we are now, but we look forwards to a future, not backwards. good bye and good riddance. Lawrie was also, in his later years, a politician. We don't have those anymore, we have achievers. He has a place in our hearts and in the stand as would MLT and Big Ron and Micky Channon and anyone else. But they are a part of US now, outsiders, no longer up there as Lords of the Manor. I'm sure if Lawrie wants to buy a ticket for the Directors Box (As per ML's policy) he will be made welcome by all of us. Remember our past, build on it, but look to the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN MY DAY Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Leon will not have lost any money "pumped in during administration" His absence is more likely to be down to "backing the wrong horse" History. It belongs in museums now, we are Southampton 2009, we cherish our history that got us to where we are now, but we look forwards to a future, not backwards. good bye and good riddance. Lawrie was also, in his later years, a politician. We don't have those anymore, we have achievers. He has a place in our hearts and in the stand as would MLT and Big Ron and Micky Channon and anyone else. But they are a part of US now, outsiders, no longer up there as Lords of the Manor. I'm sure if Lawrie wants to buy a ticket for the Directors Box (As per ML's policy) he will be made welcome by all of us. Remember our past, build on it, but look to the future Good post, not a lot i can add to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Suppose no Askham/Wiseman/Richards/Salz et al Crouch and Mcmenemy were there to welcome in the new regime, if I remember correctly, but have obviously fallen out with the club subsequently. I have met Crouch on three or four occasions. First couple of times I put him down as a strange individual. Couldn't make him out at all and certainly questioned his prowess a a business man. Subsequently had a long chat to him about the club at an away game during the Burley era and he came across as very passionate about the club and keen to help as much as he could Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Leon will not have lost any money "pumped in during administration" His absence is more likely to be down to "backing the wrong horse" History. It belongs in museums now, we are Southampton 2009, we cherish our history that got us to where we are now, but we look forwards to a future, not backwards. good bye and good riddance. Lawrie was also, in his later years, a politician. We don't have those anymore, we have achievers. He has a place in our hearts and in the stand as would MLT and Big Ron and Micky Channon and anyone else. But they are a part of US now, outsiders, no longer up there as Lords of the Manor. I'm sure if Lawrie wants to buy a ticket for the Directors Box (As per ML's policy) he will be made welcome by all of us. Remember our past, build on it, but look to the future Hard to disagree with any of that Phil, but someone who was a fan before he joined the board, went on the journey he did, then efffectively saved the club (Yes i know some wont like that) by throwing money in when no one else would, to walk away completely seems very strange. And at the risk of playing into 19c hands, if Lawrie can't accept the fact he now has to pay for a ticket, that his probloem and not ours, so you are right.... a place in our hearts , but not our stadium . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 dubai phil talks utter rubbish and i have seen all those faces at games this season. So how has leon not lost the £1.5m he spent ? So you want to burn all the history of Southampton fc since 1885 ? I feel embarrassed for you dubai phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Just because they don't have a box doesn't mean they don't go to the games or pay for a ticket. Maybe leon thinks that a club owned by a billionaire doesn't need the financial support his box brought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Leon and Lawrie welcome back anytime.....Some of the other idiotic Directors can take a run and jump......shiiiisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 As grateful as we should be to Leon for his part in keeping the club afloat,and to Lawrie for all the glory he brought us,I can't help but think their abscence smacks of it being "toys out the pram" time.Something which does not reflect well on either of them in my book. I can't believe either would be so fickle as to resent coughing up for a ticket.Whats the cost of tickets compared to the £500,000 Leon (allegedly) forked out for Pinnacle to almost ruin the club? (And statue don't forget). In Lawrie's case his continued presence - at his own cost - would maintain if not enhance his legendary status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 i have seen all those faces at games this season. Just because they don't have a box doesn't mean they don't go to the games or pay for a ticket. I would like to think you are both right in the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4737_carlin Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Leon will not have lost any money "pumped in during administration" His absence is more likely to be down to "backing the wrong horse" History. It belongs in museums now, we are Southampton 2009, we cherish our history that got us to where we are now, but we look forwards to a future, not backwards. good bye and good riddance. Lawrie was also, in his later years, a politician. We don't have those anymore, we have achievers. He has a place in our hearts and in the stand as would MLT and Big Ron and Micky Channon and anyone else. But they are a part of US now, outsiders, no longer up there as Lords of the Manor. I'm sure if Lawrie wants to buy a ticket for the Directors Box (As per ML's policy) he will be made welcome by all of us. Remember our past, build on it, but look to the future Yeah who needs history anyway ! One of the most pathetic posts i have ever read on this forum. Tell me should le tissier have to pay for a ticket as well then ? If i remember rightly your the one that had some kind of love affair with that fat idiot from bournemouth. Dubai_phil will next be insisting all ex players have to pay for a ticket etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4737_carlin Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 I would like to think you are both right in the above. Well considering one of those named actually had two boxes on the go. Work it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Leon will not have lost any money "pumped in during administration" His absence is more likely to be down to "backing the wrong horse" History. It belongs in museums now, we are Southampton 2009, we cherish our history that got us to where we are now, but we look forwards to a future, not backwards. good bye and good riddance. Lawrie was also, in his later years, a politician. We don't have those anymore, we have achievers. He has a place in our hearts and in the stand as would MLT and Big Ron and Micky Channon and anyone else. But they are a part of US now, outsiders, no longer up there as Lords of the Manor. I'm sure if Lawrie wants to buy a ticket for the Directors Box (As per ML's policy) he will be made welcome by all of us. Remember our past, build on it, but look to the future What a horrible nasty post from a so called Saints fan. There was me thinking that these people where actually trying to help the club from complete closure. Little wonder this forum us deing on its arse and respected fans are leaving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Dubai_phil will next be insisting all ex players have to pay for a ticket etc etc Actually they do and the current players don't get comps in the same way they used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 (edited) Actually they do and the current players don't get comps in the same way they used to. Whoa there Carlin. I was simply repeating what the new Owner/Management team said very early on. Anyone is welcome at SMS but they buy their own tickets. As for Leon helping the club, yes he helped us survive the first few weeks of admin. However, it has already been a consensus on here that the Pinnacle fiasco harmed our chances this season, have some on here forgotten that Leon became a part of Pinnacle? Yes he helped, yes he has a place, but he also screwed up TWICE. He backed Pinnacle and he backed Mike Wilde. He lost his investment in the shares he bought with Wilde, but from everything that I heard and saw at the time, he did not lose anything he put in after admin. It was not a pathetic post, it was a repeat of what our owner said. Everyone is welcome at SMS, all sins forgiven but everyone buys their own ticket Edited 25 October, 2009 by dubai_phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 dubai phil talks utter rubbish and i have seen all those faces at games this season. So how has leon not lost the £1.5m he spent ? So you want to burn all the history of Southampton fc since 1885 ? I feel embarrassed for you dubai phil Leon has lost the money he paid to OTHER people to buy his shares (note he did not buy the shares from teh club but from shareholders) That is sad, I agree. However, as I have pointed out on numerous occassions there is a lot of detail regarding what happened during the admin period that has never been discussed on here as we have rightly focused on the successful OUTCOME. It is feasible and common during admin of a company for funds to be injected with terms and conditions attached. My reading, analysis, and discussions with insolvency practitioners leads me to believe that Leon, in all likelihood did NOT lose money on funds he used to save the club. I would LOVE to see proof if I am wrong and will say sorry, no problemo, however I have held that opinion all the way through. Mike Wilde lost money, so did many many Saints fans, should they all be given a free ticket? Leon can still afford one, I think some would be better arguing for the fans who lost money to get a free ticket than somebody who doesn't need to save the 100 quid for hospitality. The MINUTE anybody starts judging the eligibilty of a "person connected to Saints history" to get a free ticket they could pay for when others cannot without ANY set of criteria other than "opinion is talking BS. What about fans who are now out of work but attended 90% of all our games for 20 years? are they less worthy? C'mon guys. The policy and my opinion is simple, THEY ARE ALL WELCOME, but they PAY for a ticket in the NEW Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Whoa there Carlin. I was simply repeating what the new Owner/Management team said very early on. Anyone is welcome at SMS but they buy their own tickets. As for Leon helping the club, yes he helped us survive the first few weeks of admin. However, it has already been a consensus on here that the Pinnacle fiasco harmed our chances this season, have some on here forgotten that Leon became a part of Pinnacle? Yes he helped, yes he has a place, but he also screwed up TWICE. He backed Pinnacle and he backed Mike Wilde. He lost his investment in the shares he bought with Wilde, but from everything that I heard and saw at the time, he did not lose anything he put in after admin. It was not a pathetic post, it was a repeat of what our owner said. Everyone is welcome at SMS, all sins forgiven but everyone buys their own ticket Did you quote the wrong person ..... I was agreeing with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Did you quote the wrong person ..... I was agreeing with you Was using your post to emphasise the point had spotted it thanks Ho hum, well used to getting sh*t for other people's decisions, been like that all my working life! so clearly not my fault, it is a corporate policy statement in their wonderful business plan that they are successfully using to get us back into the upper echelons of English football Shame they all missed the respect our history and look to the future angle. On the plus side must be the first time for weeks we almost had an argument on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Yeah who needs history anyway ! One of the most pathetic posts i have ever read on this forum. Tell me should le tissier have to pay for a ticket as well then ? If i remember rightly your the one that had some kind of love affair with that fat idiot from bournemouth. Dubai_phil will next be insisting all ex players have to pay for a ticket etc etc Bizarre over reaction to what was a sensible post by Dubai Phil. I assume that your strong belief in complementary tickets would stretch to Rupert Lowe. After all, he had a significant hand in getting the stadium built that the freeloaders are all wanting to sit in.... None of these guys should be short of a quid, and if they have any loyalty to SFC I am sure they'd willingly buy a ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Thought he still had his "company" box? Leon and Lawrie one hasn't been there all season. As stated previously, being Eastleigh's main sponsor, means he spends a fair bit of time there now. Spoke to a jubilant Eastleigh director last night and he said that Crouch had only been there once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Ho hum, well used to getting sh*t for other people's decisions, been like that all my working life! I hear that.... lost my job over Dubai World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 25 October, 2009 Share Posted 25 October, 2009 Only 3 boxes sold this season, 'cause they want 30K for them!!!!! Apparently that is down to Andrew Oldknow working his business magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 To answer the OP, the Leon/Lawrie box is no longer there. The Fullers Group box is not longer held by the company, however occasional purchase of a box will continue (as per the MK Dons game). To the best of my knowledge Leon no longer attends games regularly. I think it is best remembered that Leon had built a long association with the club and invested in many areas to assist in its general well-being. After administration and ML's purchase clearly that investment came to an abrupt end (not only in shares, but other varied interests including a large amount of his own time). That loss is something few on here will be able to comprehend I suspect, however we should try to show a little respect for Leon and all he did to help the club. Incidentally, the boxes cost in the region of £1400 per game (10 persons) now I believe. And yet the package is somewhat different this season - gone are the free spirits, the crisps/nuts on the table, the half-time sarnies and the hot snacks/cakes at full-time. The service is still very good and the food is pretty good too. You can have Guiness, but only from a can. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Only 3 boxes sold this season, 'cause they want 30K for them!!!!! Apparently that is down to Andrew Oldknow working his business magic. The same Andrew Oldknow who was most probably the man who brought ML and NC to the table. I think he has sprinkled enough magic business dust to last a lifetimes of wannabe football directors Crouch and McMenemy. Crouch and McMenemy - don't want to buy a ticket than good riddance and perhaps now are showing their true spoilt colours. Hope Crouch enjoy's the 'publicity' at Eastleigh and McMenemy takes his bile bath on Saturday afternoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 The same Andrew Oldknow who was most probably the man who brought ML and NC to the table. I think he has sprinkled enough magic business dust to last a lifetimes of wannabe football directors Crouch and McMenemy. Crouch and McMenemy - don't want to buy a ticket than good riddance and perhaps now are showing their true spoilt colours. Hope Crouch enjoy's the 'publicity' at Eastleigh and McMenemy takes his bile bath on Saturday afternoons. Pure speculation. It has been stated many a time that this deal came to Corteses attention when he read a story about Paul Allen trying to buy the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Pure speculation. It has been stated many a time that this deal came to Corteses attention when he read a story about Paul Allen trying to buy the club. Interesting he decided to appoint Oldknow as Commercial Director and didn't Oldknow bring SISA to the table? No doubt we came to lot of people's attention at the time of Allen - means nothing other than Cortese became aware of us as a club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Lawrie is doing a guest lecture at Solent Uni this week sometime, I'll try and pop along and ask a couple of questions about the situation. Anything else people want me to ask him? I cant promise I will turn up but I'll do my best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Yeah who needs history anyway ! Dubai_phil will next be insisting all ex players have to pay for a ticket etc etc Thought it was a sensible post from DP and as he later went on to post much has not been said re events surrounding pinnacle so maybe he knows something which he is unable to post but feels strongly about. When ML stated that if he was buying a ticket then why shouldn't everyone else similar posts were made quoting names like MLT etc... I do not doubt there will be times when ex players will receive the new boards hospitality but it will be by invitation only, why is that so wrong ? where do you stop ? I note the Lowe suggestion but seriously, in recent times the majority of ex players could easily afford boxes, tables & tickets but few would want them as they simply played for us for a time in their career, if a themed matchday were to occur then those associated to the theme will no doubt receive their invite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 (edited) Leon will not have lost any money "pumped in during administration" His absence is more likely to be down to "backing the wrong horse" History. It belongs in museums now, we are Southampton 2009, we cherish our history that got us to where we are now, but we look forwards to a future, not backwards. good bye and good riddance. Lawrie was also, in his later years, a politician. We don't have those anymore, we have achievers. He has a place in our hearts and in the stand as would MLT and Big Ron and Micky Channon and anyone else. But they are a part of US now, outsiders, no longer up there as Lords of the Manor. I'm sure if Lawrie wants to buy a ticket for the Directors Box (As per ML's policy) he will be made welcome by all of us. Remember our past, build on it, but look to the future It always amuses me how people in here can post something putting down one of the main protagonists of the last few years and then end it with "but let's look to the future shall we?" The reason we have a future is the fact that the like of Leon Crouch gave money to keep the club afloat. God forbid we ever say thank you for it... Edited 26 October, 2009 by Daren W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4737_carlin Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Thought it was a sensible post from DP and as he later went on to post much has not been said re events surrounding pinnacle so maybe he knows something which he is unable to post but feels strongly about. When ML stated that if he was buying a ticket then why shouldn't everyone else similar posts were made quoting names like MLT etc... I do not doubt there will be times when ex players will receive the new boards hospitality but it will be by invitation only, why is that so wrong ? where do you stop ? I note the Lowe suggestion but seriously, in recent times the majority of ex players could easily afford boxes, tables & tickets but few would want them as they simply played for us for a time in their career, if a themed matchday were to occur then those associated to the theme will no doubt receive their invite. Dubai phil does not know anything and pure guessing speculation is not fact. What makes me laugh is the saddos that slag of people that actually have helped the club. Its amazing how people actually believe what rubbish post on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 It always amuses me how people in here can post something slagging of either one of the main protagonists of the last few years and then end it with "but let's look to the future shall we?" The reason we have a future is the fact that the like of Leon Crouch gave money to keep the club afloat. God forbid we ever say thank you for it... Good post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Good post Apart from the fact that you've quoted me before I changed part of it! It's just a shame that the likes of Crouch still get grief. Ok so he "backed the wrong horse" but it wasn't as if it was out of spite, it was just out of a desire to get the club sorted. It's ironic as I'd bet my house that the people who accuse Crouch of harming the club by delaying the arrival of Leibherr, did diddly squat to help the club during it's darkest hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 I was told that Lawrie and Leon go Wild boar hunting on Saturdays, down old Rupes Ranch.....with John B, jonah, sadoldgit and 19 canteen. Oh dear Ottery, still off on another planet I see. More proof, it it were needed, that care in the community does not work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Problem with some of you is you want it both ways - with Crouch who undoubtedly helped the club, we must somehow ignore the duff stuff he did and thus he is beyond riticism, others in the whole mess, we must igmnore any good stuff they might have done because of the bad... its selective, its ignorant and way over simplistic. Crouch rightly deserves thanks for the GOOD he did for the good he did for the club, but that does not make him immune for any criticism when the discussion goes that way. Should he get fee tickets? NO should he get invites now and again as a guest? No problem with that, but the new regime have been on record that EVERYONE pays including the ML... which is about demonstrating to fans that those in the compfy setas are fans first and not freeloaders, its a simple but effective principle. As for LM, same applies, and like many love him as a Manager for all he achieved, but as a 'politician' - he was kinda lame IMHO... but welcome nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 but it wasn't as if it was out of spite, it was just out of a desire to get the club sorted. . Thing is (Daren, and I totally agree with the above), if you want everyone to accept that principle it should be equally aplied to ALL the protagonists - none of whom did anything out of spite - ego, stupity and infighting for sure, but not out of spite for the club.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 It's ironic as I'd bet my house that the people who accuse Crouch of harming the club by delaying the arrival of Leibherr, did diddly squat to help the club during it's darkest hours. I have no doubt that Crouch wanted to help, but the questions that remains for some is that in his position, could he have looked at the overview of all groups and maybe identified that The Swiss bid was better and thus encouraged it? Surely it would have been obvious that teh Swiss bid had more credibilty than Pinnacle? Or would he not have been aware of teh Swiss bid and its backers? I am not sure. BUt it fuels the suspicion that he went with Pinnacle because of the position he would hold if they took the club over, even if thats bull, its easy to speculate that given the vast difference we have seen between teh two bids... NO I have NO PROBLEM with Crouch wanting to be involved at board level after a takeover - afterall he lost nearly 2mil when his shares went to zero, and he helped the club with cash on numerous occasions to keep us afloat, but we should not fall into the trap that because of this, he is some kind of untouchable legend surely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Thing is (Daren' date=' and I totally agree with the above), if you want everyone to accept that principle it should be equally aplied to ALL the protagonists - none of whom did anything out of spite - ego, stupity and infighting for sure, but not out of spite for the club....[/quote'] How would anyone be daft enough to think Lowe screwed up on purpose?? Incompetent yes, evil personified no. The fact that Crouch put money in whilst others took money out is so often glossed over these days... Personally I think Crouch is the one protagonist who fully deserves a free ticket... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 How would anyone be daft enough to think Lowe screwed up on purpose?? Incompetent yes, evil personified no. . There are a few ;-) TBH, I would not really have a problem with anyone getting a freebie, be it Crouch or Even Wilde LM or ...dare I say it LOwe... because it depends on the reasons why... Some would be in Honor of service, others to try and entice some cash out of as a corporate level eg potential sponsors or advertisers, so it depends on the reasons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Leon Crouch did us all a favour. Good luck to the bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Apart from the fact that you've quoted me before I changed part of it! It's just a shame that the likes of Crouch still get grief. Ok so he "backed the wrong horse" but it wasn't as if it was out of spite, it was just out of a desire to get the club sorted. It's ironic as I'd bet my house that the people who accuse Crouch of harming the club by delaying the arrival of Leibherr, did diddly squat to help the club during it's darkest hours. The question for me Daren is and always will be, was Crouch's help given unconditionally like those who dropped their tenners and fivers in the buckets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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