Credit to Pardew

[slickmick]

Started with 4 5 1 changed it to 4 4 2 then back again to 4 5 1 to close the game out. Apart from taking Papa off (who I thought was causing Wycombe lots of problems) his tactics were spot on.

Also a mention to the defence and Bart, thought they looked very solid.

[notnowcato]

Agreed.

 

At last the defence can celebrate a clean sheet.

[sadoldgit]

Pardew is no mug and why someone thought to start a thread saying it wasn't a question of if he should go but when is beyond me. It is just as well that fans don't run football clubs, mind you we have one not so long ago...d'oh!!!

[The Majestic Channon]

Pardew is no mug and why someone thought to start a thread saying it wasn't a question of if he should go but when is beyond me. It is just as well that fans don't run football clubs, mind you we have one not so long ago...d'oh!!!

The ' pardew out' morons from a couple of months ago seem to be absent lately.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Perry is the answer?

[Noodles34]

Started with 4 5 1 changed it to 4 4 2 then back again to 4 5 1 to close the game out. Apart from taking Papa off (who I thought was causing Wycombe lots of problems) his tactics were spot on.

Also a mention to the defence and Bart, thought they looked very solid.

 

The only problems Papa were causing was to the linesman's arm!

 

Him and Antonio might as well be the same player, if we have to rely on these two after Jan then its going to be difficult

[sadoldgit]

The ' pardew out' morons from a couple of months ago seem to be absent lately.

 

Don't worry, they are storing up plenty of negativity and will be out in force when we lose another game. They must be gutted though, all these wins! They will find something to moan about though as did a group of Birmingham supports against Bruce when Brum were top of the CCC. Some people it seems are only in it for the pain!!!

[Harry Faz]

The only problems Papa were causing was to the linesman's arm!

 

Him and Antonio might as well be the same player, if we have to rely on these two after Jan then its going to be difficult

 

papa set up the goal that won us the game !!!

[jam]

Pardew is no mug and why someone thought to start a thread saying it wasn't a question of if he should go but when is beyond me. It is just as well that fans don't run football clubs, mind you we have one not so long ago...d'oh!!!

 

That wasn't what the thread was about though was it? That thread was clearly hypothetical based on results not improving. The original poster even said that he believed they would.

[alpine_saint]

That wasn't what the thread was about though was it? That thread was clearly hypothetical based on results not improving. The original poster even said that he believed they would.

 

Facts mean nothing to SOGGY. He has an agenda, and sticks obsessively to it.

[hutch]

Perry is the answer?

I'm going to be even more controversial, and say that Bart is the answer. Or rather not having Kelvin in goal is the answer. I think I'm right in saying that Bart has only let in an own goal and a penalty in two and a half games. For us, that's heroic!

 

I read elsewhere on here that, maybe, other teams have identified a weakness between our 'keeper and the back 4, and take advantage of that. I can't say if that's true, but it is possible.

 

I have huge respect for Kelvin, and what he did, but it seems to me that he hasn't been on his game recently. He was certainly boiling inside when he made the statement on the OS when the team captaincy was taken away, if you read between the lines.

 

I know AP can't take the credit, because Kelvin wasn't dropped. But we have been tighter at the back since.

[Draino76]

Perry is the answer?

 

Could well be. Just needs a good centre half with him.

[Give it to Ron]

I'm going to be even more controversial, and say that Bart is the answer. Or rather not having Kelvin in goal is the answer. I think I'm right in saying that Bart has only let in an own goal and a penalty in two and a half games. For us, that's heroic!

 

I read elsewhere on here that, maybe, other teams have identified a weakness between our 'keeper and the back 4, and take advantage of that. I can't say if that's true, but it is possible.

 

I have huge respect for Kelvin, and what he did, but it seems to me that he hasn't been on his game recently. He was certainly boiling inside when he made the statement on the OS when the team captaincy was taken away, if you read between the lines.

 

I know AP can't take the credit, because Kelvin wasn't dropped. But we have been tighter at the back since.

 

TBF Wycombe were pretty sh1te and wouldn't of scored if they had stayed all night!

I cannot remember more than 1 save from Bart and think that was going wide.

[hutch]

Fair point, and I wasn't there. But it's not Kelvin's ability as a shotstopper that I'm questioning, it's his command of the box, and relationship/understanding with his defenders.

[Alanh]

Absolutely, great credit to AP for the changes he made. The switches in formation made us more effective at each stage of the match.

 

I didn't catch who was on the bench but I would have liked to have seen Lambert taken off for the last 15 mins as he was absolutely knackered - perhaps the after effects of his illness.

 

Thought Morgan, Lallana and Papa had great games apart from the offsides, several of which were incorrect decisions IMO. The defence looked solid but then Wycombe didn't pose much of a threat. Did they have a shot on target all night?

 

Given the conditions I'm really pleased with a win and a clean sheet. The Walsall match will be tough as we are on comparable runs of form but there's no reason for us to be negative. A win and we could climb several places and continue to close the gap on 6th spot.

[krissyboy31]

Perry is the answer?

 

Horses for courses. Perry reads the game better than just about everybody else in the squad but of course very much lacks pace. If we are up against a big lump with no pace, Jaidi can deal with him in the air and Perry on the ground. Playing against quicker, more nimble and skillful strikers we would definitely need Trotman's extra pace.

[Saint_clark]

Perry has decent pace and is much better in the air than everyone thinks. He has a great leap on him, like Baird used to.

[david in sweden]

TBF Wycombe were pretty sh1te and wouldn't of scored if they had stayed all night!

I cannot remember more than 1 save from Bart and think that was going wide.

 

 

I really don't understand why some people are so depressed?

OK we weren't playing a top side, Wycombe, it seems, played up and (by my text count) caught Papa Weigo off side at least EIGHT times !..or more?

They hardly had a shot all night ..and we got only our fourth clean sheet in the League this season.. and the weather wasn't the best of the year either.

 

We only scored once but have one of the top six goal tallies in L1

 

As long as we get one goal more than the opposition = we get three points.

we don't get more if we score 6 - which by some accounts we should have.

 

We are out of the relegation zone and on " form " would be in the top eight.

 

Could it have been worse?

[Give it to Ron]

Where the **** do you get depressed out of a 2 line post?

You never saw the game did you.. for the first 20 minutes we looked poor...tired, off the pace, lumping balls forward to a lone striker against a giant of a defender.

Playoffs ...we looked more like relegation certainties had we played against a decent team not Wycombe.

Pardew changed the tactics and its brilliant to have someone who reads the game and not go Burleyesque!

We then at times showed the gulf in class but then the crowd and players got frustrated

with us not killing it off. It was then comedy of errors, shocking misses and worry that they would snatch victory from us with a fluke or lucky deflection.

No-one was more elated and pleased with a victory than me...it was bloody freezing at SMS and it warmed me up tremendously getting out of the bottom 4.

But Wycombe were abysmal and I refuse to get carried away and will not do until we are up the table and away.

I have supported Saints for too long not too - we are an injury away from Lambert to be up the creek again or someone luring away our management team.

 

If thats being depressed so be it I think its more realism.

[Chez]

I credit Pardew for changing it from 4-3-3- to 4-4-2, but his substitutions were very poor indeed IMO. For starters he took off Waigo, who for me was have a very good game, causing their defence all kinds of problems, stretching the play and offering a genuine out ball. As soon as he came off we fell apart, not to mention the fact Antonio looked a complete fish out of water when played down the middle. A very poor decision.

 

I can't argue too much with Wotton for James (although it should have been Antonio for james IMO) and reverted to a 4-1-4-1 formation. He played it safe, at a time when we were totally on top and looking likely to score a second. But hey, 1-0 is as good as 2-0 and we got the win so he was right there.

 

The third sub again amazed me. Schnederlin had a tremendous game and didn't look to be suffering from fatigue at all unlike Lambert, who at the time of the substitution was actually down holding his leg and looking absolutely shattered. Having no striker on the bench left Pardew with no place to go, but for me Lambert needed to come off and it cried out for Patterson to chase around hard for the last 10 minutes. Where is Matt, is he totally out of favour now?

 

Very happy with everything Saints, but Pardew made mistakes last night, all be it minor ones.

[Chez]

Where the **** do you get depressed out of a 2 line post?

You never saw the game did you.. for the first 20 minutes we looked poor...tired, off the pace, lumping balls forward to a lone striker against a giant of a defender.

Playoffs ...we looked more like relegation certainties had we played against a decent team not Wycombe.

Pardew changed the tactics and its brilliant to have someone who reads the game and not go Burleyesque!

We then at times showed the gulf in class but then the crowd and players got frustrated

with us not killing it off. It was then comedy of errors, shocking misses and worry that they would snatch victory from us with a fluke or lucky deflection.

No-one was more elated and pleased with a victory than me...it was bloody freezing at SMS and it warmed me up tremendously getting out of the bottom 4.

But Wycombe were abysmal and I refuse to get carried away and will not do until we are up the table and away.

I have supported Saints for too long not too - we are an injury away from Lambert to be up the creek again or someone luring away our management team.

 

If thats being depressed so be it I think its more realism.

 

very fair assessment of the game. What exactly will we do if Lambert gets injured? Anyone know?

[Saint_clark]

very fair assessment of the game. What exactly will we do if Lambert gets injured? Anyone know?

 

Play someone else up front?

[NickG]

buy Beckford?

[John B]

very fair assessment of the game. What exactly will we do if Lambert gets injured? Anyone know?

 

Pray:( perhaps

 

But you do raise a very interesting point just hope he stays fit

Edited 2 December, 2009 by John B

[Thedelldays]

Started with 4 5 1 changed it to 4 4 2 then back again to 4 5 1 to close the game out. Apart from taking Papa off (who I thought was causing Wycombe lots of problems) his tactics were spot on.

Also a mention to the defence and Bart, thought they looked very solid.

credit...yes of course..but this is what I expect from a manager of his calibre..

 

best manager in the league IMO...

[Stuartinoz]

No doubt that Kelv is one of the best shot stoppers (Norwich aside where he fumbled) but Bart does dominate the box in the air better. Took a couple in the box last night that would have had Kelv rooted to his line. Two very different keepers but great options to have!

 

Schneiderlin I thought was Man of the Match. Seemed to battle for just about everything and often got the reward, but Hammond seems to have gone off the boil?

 

Poor overall performance, but encouraging in another way to be getting a win when playing poorly. COYR!!

 

I'm going to be even more controversial, and say that Bart is the answer. Or rather not having Kelvin in goal is the answer. I think I'm right in saying that Bart has only let in an own goal and a penalty in two and a half games. For us, that's heroic!

 

I read elsewhere on here that, maybe, other teams have identified a weakness between our 'keeper and the back 4, and take advantage of that. I can't say if that's true, but it is possible.

 

I have huge respect for Kelvin, and what he did, but it seems to me that he hasn't been on his game recently. He was certainly boiling inside when he made the statement on the OS when the team captaincy was taken away, if you read between the lines.

 

I know AP can't take the credit, because Kelvin wasn't dropped. But we have been tighter at the back since.

[ottery st mary]

God forbid..But if RL got injured then we have a definite case to transport Big Ron Davies back and plant him on the penaly spot and Bobs your uncle. No problem. Apparently you never lose it. So the Good lady said to me the other night.

 

Alternatively we play Papa and Big Ant up front....Now that would be interesting.

Paterson would be my choice.

 

But as is the best solution ..I will leave it to Pards..Who knows best.

 

COYRs.

[derry]

very fair assessment of the game. What exactly will we do if Lambert gets injured? Anyone know?

 

Waigo up front with Connolly and Antonio wide right, Lallana wide left. The pace and movement with Connolly's clever runs would cause any side problems.

[derry]

I credit Pardew for changing it from 4-3-3- to 4-4-2, but his substitutions were very poor indeed IMO. For starters he took off Waigo, who for me was have a very good game, causing their defence all kinds of problems, stretching the play and offering a genuine out ball. As soon as he came off we fell apart, not to mention the fact Antonio looked a complete fish out of water when played down the middle. A very poor decision.

 

I can't argue too much with Wotton for James (although it should have been Antonio for james IMO) and reverted to a 4-1-4-1 formation. He played it safe, at a time when we were totally on top and looking likely to score a second. But hey, 1-0 is as good as 2-0 and we got the win so he was right there.

 

The third sub again amazed me. Schnederlin had a tremendous game and didn't look to be suffering from fatigue at all unlike Lambert, who at the time of the substitution was actually down holding his leg and looking absolutely shattered. Having no striker on the bench left Pardew with no place to go, but for me Lambert needed to come off and it cried out for Patterson to chase around hard for the last 10 minutes. Where is Matt, is he totally out of favour now?

 

Very happy with everything Saints, but Pardew made mistakes last night, all be it minor ones.

 

My sentiments entirely, Antonio and Waigo on at the same time would have restricted the opposition's ability to attack us wth impunity and made us defensively better without conceding ground and possession.

[mcjwills]

papa set up the goal that won us the game !!!

 

IIRC he also got the ball away from the opposition before the 1 - 2 pass when he received the ball back to pass it to Lambert for the goal.

[RedAndWhite91]

Waigo up front with Connolly and Antonio wide right, Lallana wide left. The pace and movement with Connolly's clever runs would cause any side problems.

 

I agree with that, but then we wouldn't have Lambert's hold up play and physical presence. And that's also if Connolly keeps fit. He's not fit at the moment, and so what would we do without both Lambert and Connolly?

 

Waigo up front on his own? Bring back Paterson? Unfortunately I cannot see either of these potential solutions working.

[Saint Fen]

Started with 4 5 1 changed it to 4 4 2 then back again to 4 5 1 to close the game out. Apart from taking Papa off (who I thought was causing Wycombe lots of problems) his tactics were spot on.

Also a mention to the defence and Bart, thought they looked very solid.

 

The only problems Papa were causing was to the linesman's arm!

 

Him and Antonio might as well be the same player, if we have to rely on these two after Jan then its going to be difficult

 

I have to agree with Noodles34, Papa was very poor made it easy for them to defend as he was constantly offside, if Connolly would have been fit I reckon he would have bagged himself a couple at least!

 

Think Antonio is a better player but is definitely an out and out winger which are always inconsistant, but at least when he came on he managed to stay onside and cause them problems.

[Fowllyd]

I have to agree with Noodles34, Papa was very poor made it easy for them to defend as he was constantly offside, if Connolly would have been fit I reckon he would have bagged himself a couple at least!

 

Think Antonio is a better player but is definitely an out and out winger which are always inconsistant, but at least when he came on he managed to stay onside and cause them problems.

 

Hmm, let's see... Papa laid on the goal; almost scored at the end of a move he'd started himself; took the ball off their players and started attacks many times; and had their defenders crapping themselves on a good few occasions (that last one is my view only - hard to see any arguments against the other three though).

 

We all watch different games, don't we?

[derry]

I agree with that, but then we wouldn't have Lambert's hold up play and physical presence. And that's also if Connolly keeps fit. He's not fit at the moment, and so what would we do without both Lambert and Connolly?

 

Waigo up front on his own? Bring back Paterson? Unfortunately I cannot see either of these potential solutions working.

 

The comment was in answer to the question who? if Lambert unfit. If Saganowski unfit (current knee ligament injury) bring back McLaggon or try Trotman or Paterson with Waigo and Antonio/Lallana. There is no easy answer, I think Waigo would do a job and do it well if they could get him to play five yards deeper.

[RedAndWhite91]

The comment was in answer to the question who? if Lambert unfit. If Saganowski unfit (current knee ligament injury) bring back McLaggon or try Trotman or Paterson with Waigo and Antonio/Lallana. There is no easy answer, I think Waigo would do a job and do it well if they could get him to play five yards deeper.

 

Ah yeah sorry, I confused myself a bit there (it happens easily).