Block 5 Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1920140,00.html The OS mentions that Trots is unavailable for the FA Cup, but recalling a player at short notice seems a drastic measure for a competition we have no hope of winning. Is this a clue that Trots won't be around much longer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1920140,00.html The OS mentions that Trots is unavailable for the FA Cup, but recalling a player at short notice seems a drastic measure for a competition we have no hope of winning. Is this a clue that Trots won't be around much longer? Trots has not played in any of our FA cup games this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 I thoughtTrotman had already f^cked off back to Preston so isn't now available for any match let alone the FA Cup tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 31 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 31 December, 2009 I thoughtTrotman had already f^cked off back to Preston so isn't now available for any match let alone the FA Cup tie. Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 Source? Just about every thread or post on here after the Exeter and Colchester matches. Oh and confirmed by an ITK taxi driver I was talking to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 Hopefully it will only be in the cup game against Luton he plays. If he plays against Huddersfield, we may have a highest defeat ever seen at St Marys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 Hopefully it will only be in the cup game against Luton he plays. If he plays against Huddersfield, we may have a highest defeat ever seen at St Marys. Didn't he start the away game against Huddersfield? might have been Swindon thinking about it... He really isn't that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 Didn't he start the away game against Huddersfield? might have been Swindon thinking about it... He really isn't that bad. It keeps some of the retards happy slagging off our young players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 Hopefully it will only be in the cup game against Luton he plays. If he plays against Huddersfield, we may have a highest defeat ever seen at St Marys. he didn't shine last season, but its a league lower and our side is better in relation to the opposition so you'd think he would look better. Having said that he played in the game at their place (Huddersfield) and he was ****ing terrible - but no worse than Perry I might add. I think we ought to cut the lad some slack. At least see if the time out on loan has improved his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 Maybe we are going to sell him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 Strange one for a football club with an "open chequebook" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 Olly should go on loan to exeter as Daniel seaborne their centre back is off. Or even Torquay Not sure if Mark Ellis is leaving but was quite good CB/midfield Exeter Youth and went to Bolton? Didn't make grade. Olly just needs more games..so yes Exeter would suit him and Saints. COYRS tORQUAY IS NOW EX sAINTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 There could be other reasons, maybe it was considered that continuing to lend a player lacking confidence to a club facing relegation from the football league may be a bad move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 Doubt he will play, will be on the bench. We still have decent 3 CBs without Trotman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 31 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 31 December, 2009 Doubt he will play, will be on the bench. We still have 3 decent CBs without Trotman. Er......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 I saw Lancashire play for Grimsby against Leeds, Beckford and all, he had an impressive game marking Beckford despite a deflected own goal whilst blocking a cross shot from Gradel. He was calm with good control and won everything he went for in the air, I was really impressed with his covering and reading of the situations. Most young centre backs need time to mature, I think the club should give him that time through loans to develop then benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 31 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 31 December, 2009 I saw Lancashire play for Grimsby against Leeds, Beckford and all, he had an impressive game marking Beckford despite a deflected own goal whilst blocking a cross shot from Gradel. He was calm with good control and won everything he went for in the air, I was really impressed with his covering and reading of the situations. Most young centre backs need time to mature, I think the club should give him that time through loans to develop then benefit. I'm looking forward to seeing how much Olly has improved, but I had to at the above! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 I'm looking forward to seeing how much Olly has improved, but I had to at the above! I really felt for him. he didn't give Beckford a kick and he had no chance with the own goal, but he looked very composed and confident. Grimsby wanted to keep him and looking at their site the fans rate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 Strange isn't it how a player can plummet in the eyes of the fans so quicklywithout having a real run in the team to make his mark? About two seasons ago Ollie Lancashire was possibly the next big talent to emerge from our academy conveyor belt. When a Sunday tabloid suggested Everton and Blackburn were looking to nick him many posted on here that we could not allow such a talent to go.This came shortly after the Matt Mills fiasco. OL has played in teams desperately short on confidence and ability.Although I fear it when I hear his name read out on the starting line up based on previous appearances I certainly feel the poor bugger deserves a chance in a better team to be judged fairly. Bialkowski is a good comparison,and I still have reservations,but after the start of 2007/8 I hoped never to see him play for Saints again.He too is back in a more confident defence and consequently is not the calamity I feared. Agree with an above post though that OL should be nurtured back into the first team.Grimsby would harm his confidence further and a loan to a better positioned club might aid his development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 Strange isn't it how a player can plummet in the eyes of the fans so quicklywithout having a real run in the team to make his mark? About two seasons ago Ollie Lancashire was possibly the next big talent to emerge from our academy conveyor belt. When a Sunday tabloid suggested Everton and Blackburn were looking to nick him many posted on here that we could not allow such a talent to go.This came shortly after the Matt Mills fiasco. OL has played in teams desperately short on confidence and ability.Although I fear it when I hear his name read out on the starting line up based on previous appearances I certainly feel the poor bugger deserves a chance in a better team to be judged fairly. Bialkowski is a good comparison,and I still have reservations,but after the start of 2007/8 I hoped never to see him play for Saints again.He too is back in a more confident defence and consequently is not the calamity I feared. Agree with an above post though that OL should be nurtured back into the first team.Grimsby would harm his confidence further and a loan to a better positioned club might aid his development. Good post. The coaches who work with him every day think he has what it takes to be a pro and I think they are better placed to judge than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 Er......? Perry, Jaidi & Thomas. I read after I posted that Jaidi is a doubt, still allows for Perry and Thomas without the need to actually play Lancs. Lancs will be on the bench though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 I have it on good authority that Trotman is going back to Preston. Preston's decision... I'm guessing they're not looking to sell until whoever takes charge has had a chance to look at what he has got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 I have it on good authority that Trotman is going back to Preston. Preston's decision... I'm guessing they're not looking to sell until whoever takes charge has had a chance to look at what he has got. According to the OS this evening, AP is "discussing Neal Trotman at the moment, but there's no decision [on] that yet because they've changed their manager which makes it a little bit more difficult." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 31 December, 2009 Share Posted 31 December, 2009 I have it on good authority that Trotman is going back to Preston. Preston's decision... I'm guessing they're not looking to sell until whoever takes charge has had a chance to look at what he has got. Alan Ervine had a row with the directors, as they had instructed him to sell players to raise money in January. Sean St Ledger was supposed to sign in January for a further £2m but Strachan sent him back. It sounds like Preston need money and would either sell Trotman or use him if they sell other centre backs. I think we can do better than Trotman, he wasn't great in the last few matches. We need a quick, left sided centre back, good enough to be a top CCC performer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxosponge Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 . We need a quick, left sided centre back, good enough to be a top CCC performer. Like St Leger perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 Saw OL play on sky sports earlier this season while he was out on loan and have to say he looked pretty good. Unfortunately he did also concede a rather unlucky own goal too! Still give the guy a proper chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1920140,00.html The OS mentions that Trots is unavailable for the FA Cup, but recalling a player at short notice seems a drastic measure for a competition we have no hope of winning. Is this a clue that Trots won't be around much longer? Our season is finished if we are planning to include Lancashire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 Saw OL play on sky sports earlier this season while he was out on loan and have to say he looked pretty good. Unfortunately he did also concede a rather unlucky own goal too! Still give the guy a proper chance. B*ll*cks. He isnt good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 B*ll*cks. He isnt good enough. Let me confirm, is this based on other peoples opinions, views, and reports on watching him play or your own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 Didn't he start the away game against Huddersfield? might have been Swindon thinking about it... He really isn't that bad. Did you go to the Swindon game? Had it not been for the poor finishing of the Swindon players and a couple of decent saves from KD it would have been at least 5-0... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 Have to agree with Alpine. Ollie is not good enough. The lad is young and is still learning his trade. He has played something like 15 games and been sent off 3 times. Should we be taking chances on players who have consistently under performed? We are no longer a club that has to play players for the sake of it. The team out there playing should be the best it can possibly be, with Ollie playing it won't be. That is harsh but it is the reality of the situation we are now in. We have the money to buy players. People like Ollie should not be anywhere near our 1st team, that is why we got to where we are by playing crap players hoping they would get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 Let me confirm, is this based on other peoples opinions, views, and reports on watching him play or your own? Its based on the fact that he isnt good enough. I have been listening to happy-clappies going on for 2 years about Lanacshire making the step up, and he's been sh*t every chance he's had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 Its based on the fact that he isnt good enough. I have been listening to happy-clappies going on for 2 years about Lanacshire making the step up, and he's been sh*t every chance he's had. Well he seems to have done OK at Grimsby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 Did you go to the Swindon game? Had it not been for the poor finishing of the Swindon players and a couple of decent saves from KD it would have been at least 5-0... Yeah I went to Swindon, we where very poor but the blame shouldn't go to Lancashire, Pardew should take the blame for that one, he got the team selection all wrong. There's no way Huddersfield are going to get a record win at St Marys with or without Lancashire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 Its based on the fact that he isnt good enough. I have been listening to happy-clappies going on for 2 years about Lanacshire making the step up, and he's been sh*t every chance he's had. He was dropped in at the deep end far too early, he should have spent last season out on loan somewhere like Grimsby or coming off the bench for us. He should never have been a starting player in the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 Its based on the fact that he isnt good enough. I have been listening to happy-clappies going on for 2 years about Lanacshire making the step up, and he's been sh*t every chance he's had. I just love the way you shoe-horn in the term Happy Clappy to ensure your opinion stands above that of those that might see something in the lad. It's Lancashire by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 He was dropped in at the deep end far too early, he should have spent last season out on loan somewhere like Grimsby or coming off the bench for us. He should never have been a starting player in the side. Spot on. Very few players can come straight out of the youth team or reserves and make an instant impact on the team and become key players in the way that players such as Shearer, Walcott and Bale did, amongst others. Lancashire was dropped fully in the poo last season, and that's enough to wreck anyone's confidence. If you hadn't noticed Alpine, the whole of our team last season was pretty rubbish, and it would be unfair to exclude players to put in the 'uber rubbish' category. I think OL would suffice as a backup centre back, bearing in mind we still have Jaidi, Perry and Thomas, as well as Wotton who can fill in at CB if needed, and also the entire January transfer window to strengthen. People need to stop filling their nappies over such a minute thing as a loan being recalled, and focus on the bigger picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 He seems to lack confidence/concentration when I have seen him. Decent ability but then silly mistakes or pushed off of the ball. Sort of player who could come good - if he builds his confidence/experience - which becomes harder everytime he is put into first team with increasing pressure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 I just love the way you shoe-horn in the term Happy Clappy to ensure your opinion stands above that of those that might see something in the lad. It's Lancashire by the way. No, I use the term "Happy Clappy" because only those individuals were banging on about putting him in. Very well spotted with the spelling mistake, btw, hope it made your day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 Have to agree with Alpine on this one. OL is not the finished product and his spell with Grimsby may well have helped HIM, where he will probably be playing alongside a standard of player that makes him look OK. If we are to aspire to the likes of Grimsby then I would say, yes, play him. If you want to aspire higher (much higher), then he really is not going to be a part of a team that will get you there (not at this stage of his career anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 No, I use the term "Happy Clappy" because only those individuals were banging on about putting him in. Very well spotted with the spelling mistake, btw, hope it made your day. no I was happy clappy already thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 Have to agree with Alpine on this one. OL is not the finished product and his spell with Grimsby may well have helped HIM, where he will probably be playing alongside a standard of player that makes him look OK. If we are to aspire to the likes of Grimsby then I would say, yes, play him. If you want to aspire higher (much higher), then he really is not going to be a part of a team that will get you there (not at this stage of his career anyway). you're both right and I think Pardew knows how good/bad he is and will be bringing in another CB, be it Trottman or someone else, and not relying on Lancashire. He's coming back as temporary cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denzil Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 Get rid of him he's crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 1 January, 2010 Share Posted 1 January, 2010 Did you go to the Swindon game? Had it not been for the poor finishing of the Swindon players and a couple of decent saves from KD it would have been at least 5-0... While Lancs did have a poor game that night it would be grossly unfair to blame the defeat on him. I was at the game, and we were a shower of ****e than night, and AP was incompetent. Much has changed since then, thank goodness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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