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We have a huge squad of players, with new signings and rumours of more to come some people will obviously need to go. So who do you think should be let go?

 

I think it is time we got rid of

Saga

Wotten

Holmes

Forecast

Lancashire

Patterson

Pullis

Molyneux

Gillett

 

And then in the summer obviously Jaidi and Perry.

 

If the other youngsters are at the same standard as Lancashire,Patterson etc then add them to the list too.

 

If you look at our overall squad we have sort of 2 teams. What remains of the gash from last season and those brought in this season.

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Don't think we need to be moving Jaidi anywhere, he's been immense for the most part.

 

If we sign Ward then I'd imagine it spells the end for Thomas. Signing Stock &/or Danns would mean getting rid of Gillett & Pulis. I think we should keep Wotton, whilst not the best footballer he does bring a lot of experience & will be a help to the youngsters.

 

Need to get rid of Saga, we could be spending his £10k or whatever wages a week on somebody else, release or if we can get some £££ for him even better. Send Pato out on loan imo.

 

Think we need another left back to provide better back up to Harding as Mills' cameo the other week suggests he's not good enough. If Holmes goes too then we need an out & out left winger to replace him.

 

In summary

 

In: Ward, Fonte, Danns, Stock, Jackson + LB & LW

Out: Forecast, Thomas, Lancashire, Molyneux, Pulis, Gillett, Holmes, Mills (loan), Paterson (loan), Saga.

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Don't think we need to be moving Jaidi anywhere, he's been immense for the most part.

 

If we sign Ward then I'd imagine it spells the end for Thomas. Signing Stock &/or Danns would mean getting rid of Gillett & Pulis. I think we should keep Wotton, whilst not the best footballer he does bring a lot of experience & will be a help to the youngsters.

 

Need to get rid of Saga, we could be spending his £10k or whatever wages a week on somebody else, release or if we can get some £££ for him even better. Send Pato out on loan imo.

 

Think we need another left back to provide better back up to Harding as Mills' cameo the other week suggests he's not good enough. If Holmes goes too then we need an out & out left winger to replace him.

 

In summary

 

In: Ward, Fonte, Danns, Stock, Jackson + LB & LW

Out: Forecast, Thomas, Lancashire, Pulis, Gillett, Holmes, Mills (loan), Paterson (loan), Saga.

 

Thomas is on his way, interesting comment from Pardew onsaturday about having three good centre backs. Assuming this is Fonte, Jaidi, the othe must be Perry as Thomas seems behind them in the pecking order. Clearly Pardew doesn't rate him as a CB.

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We have a huge squad of players, with new signings and rumours of more to come some people will obviously need to go. So who do you think should be let go?

 

I think it is time we got rid of

Saga

Wotten

Holmes

Forecast

Lancashire

Patterson

Pullis

Molyneux

Gillett

 

And then in the summer obviously Jaidi and Perry.

 

If the other youngsters are at the same standard as Lancashire,Patterson etc then add them to the list too.

 

If you look at our overall squad we have sort of 2 teams. What remains of the gash from last season and those brought in this season.

 

Agree with all except Patterson.

 

I think the lad has potential and would benefit from a loan period away, but think he can still develop into a decent player for the Saints.

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He just doesn't rate Thomas and quite rightly IMO.

 

He's just a bully and a thug, doesn't offer anything else, can't see anyone taking the useless ***** off our hands.

 

The list pretty much picks itself thanks to the last year under lowe, unfortunatly the majority are either in huge wages or just incredibly **** so we've got no chance of selling them.

 

I wouldn't be suprised if Gillett is the only one to leave this window and the rest all go at the end of their contracts.

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He just doesn't rate Thomas and quite rightly IMO.

 

He's just a bully and a thug, doesn't offer anything else, can't see anyone taking the useless ***** off our hands.

 

The list pretty much picks itself thanks to the last year under lowe, unfortunatly the majority are either in huge wages or just incredibly **** so we've got no chance of selling them.

 

I wouldn't be suprised if Gillett is the only one to leave this window and the rest all go at the end of their contracts.

 

I think he's a pretty decent defender this season - at right back, his crossing is consistently better than James' too.

 

As for the rest

 

Saga - can go, though he'd improve us... if only... etc.

Wotton - may as well keep him for that "last 5 minutes hacking it up the pitch" role, emergency cover, good pro.

Holmes - I'd keep him too but as Pardew doesn't rate him...

Forecast - May as well get rid.

Lancashire - Sell unless he can be reworked as a DM.

Paterson - Hang on to him, he's cheap and he'll learn, he's already scored in League One this season.

Pulis - Hang, draw and quarter, or sell to Cardiff City/Skates

Molyneux - He's not on the bench and Mills is ahead at left back, may as well go.

Gillett - Doing better elsewhere, not tall enough for Pardew's liking. Pick or leave.

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Legod Third Coming

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I don't want to disagree with Pardew's plans because he hasn't made a single decision on players that I didn't agree with thus far. However, I would like to see Holmes given a chance. I though last season before his injury he had a lot to offer from the left wing - a willingness to take people on and good delivery.

 

But if Pardew moves him on, so be it. Who can argue with Lambert, Harding, Jaidi, Hammond, Connolly... He has a better success rate thus far than most previous incumbents.

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I don't want to disagree with Pardew's plans because he hasn't made a single decision on players that I didn't agree with thus far. However, I would like to see Holmes given a chance. I though last season before his injury he had a lot to offer from the left wing - a willingness to take people on and good delivery.

 

But if Pardew moves him on, so be it. Who can argue with Lambert, Harding, Jaidi, Hammond, Connolly... He has a better success rate thus far than most previous incumbents.

 

Fair point, Holmes, Gillett and Saganowski have all had their (brief) moments for us.

 

Wondering what the future holds for Schneiderlin though, I'm not yet over us repackaging him from a developing through-ball playing playmaker into a one-speed play-breaker and crossfield passer in front of the back 4. Seems like a waste, though he's not done a great deal to admire at any point.

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I think he's a pretty decent defender this season - at right back, his crossing is consistently better than James' too.

 

 

He shows more willingness to get to the byline, it is something I think James should learn from. Sometimes when James and Waigo/Antonio are both up against the full back on their own they still just sling the ball in from deep rather than just play a simple 1-2 go round the defender and get in a more dangerous cross.

 

It seems he would rather get a cross in from anywhere than attempt to take a player on a lose the ball, maybe a lack of confidence or just worried about getting back into position.

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Wondering what the future holds for Schneiderlin though, I'm not yet over us repackaging him from a developing through-ball playing playmaker into a one-speed play-breaker and crossfield passer in front of the back 4. Seems like a waste, though he's not done a great deal to admire at any point.

 

Looked at his best when he played as the most advanced of a midfield three, Southend away was probably his best performance i've seen.

 

Doesn't really offer enough of a goal threat to play there every week when we could just play Connolly.

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I would add Thomas - too expensive at this level unless the club can re-negotiate. I would keep Wotten and Holmes as squad utility players - good enough for that - and we will need to have experienced players to step in if injury strikes...not just youngsters.

 

Agree :smt023

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As I said

 

Pulis

 

Could give him a farewell Diploma for "Attempting to Impersonate a Footballer" though

 

Yes but he is costing us peanuts in relation to the other 2. I agree Pulis, Forecast, Molyneaux and others need to be moved on but those 3 together are probably only costing us as much as Thomas.

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Yes but he is costing us peanuts in relation to the other 2. I agree Pulis, Forecast, Molyneaux and others need to be moved on but those 3 together are probably only costing us as much as Thomas.

 

I do take your point(s)

 

( I was trying to be somewhat flippant )

 

..... and obviosly failed:)

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Not sure why everyone suddenly wants rid of Thomas, I've always thought he was pretty good at CB. Certainly done nothing this season to warrant a one way train ticket.

 

Most of the rest I agree on. Saga, Wotton, Gillett, Pulis, Molyneux, Forecast and Holmes can all leave.

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Pulis

Lancadire

Molyneux (is he even still alive ??)

Saga (your meant to be an international, though i have thought he has been vastly over-rated for a long time)

Forcast

Gillett (i rate him, pardew does not, let the lad leave for first team football)

Thomas (he has looked better at RB but is on big wages and just isn't that good, a mountain of a man that has a 50p head ?? No thanks)

 

Paterson out on loan.

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Aside from those already mentioned Poke and Thompson.

 

Not sure why so many are down on Forecast (apart from the fact he was signed when Rupes was Chairman) but he is a far better prospect than Poke. He was good enough to get on the bench for a PL team so is def good enough to fight for the no.2 spot in L1 with Bart.

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Aside from those already mentioned Poke and Thompson.

 

Not sure why so many are down on Forecast (apart from the fact he was signed when Rupes was Chairman) but he is a far better prospect than Poke. He was good enough to get on the bench for a PL team so is def good enough to fight for the no.2 spot in L1 with Bart.

 

Poke is better than Forecast, and that's a fact.

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Not sure why everyone suddenly wants rid of Thomas, I've always thought he was pretty good at CB. Certainly done nothing this season to warrant a one way train ticket.

 

Most of the rest I agree on. Saga, Wotton, Gillett, Pulis, Molyneux, Forecast and Holmes can all leave.

 

I don't think Thomas as done much wrong either but I don't think he is part of AP's long-term plans and having him on the wage bill gives us less flexibility in bringing other players in IMO.

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we should defiantly keep Wotton, we have plenty of games this season and his sort of experience is invaluable no matter what people may think of his ability.

 

I'm sure there are players out there who can do Wotton's job a LOT better than he can. Sending him on to kick seven shades of sh*te out of anything that moves is all well and good if you're 1-0 up against Man Utd in a cup tie, but against lesser teams I'd hope for something a little less primative.

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Of those mentioned I would imagine Thomas and Saganowski's wages are greater than the rest put together.

 

Saganowski has done nothing but sit and take the money........the fact that Poland failed to reached the World Cup finals has just encouraged him to sit on his backside and do nothing but take easy money.........Thomas at least performs competently when called upon .......I guess Saganowski has a contract and thus can do as he wishes, but frankly I think we will be stuck with him, mainly because everyone else knows he is overpaid and likely to underperform whoever signs him and wherever that may be.

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Thomas whenever i've seen him make an appearence, (injuries have really hampered him) never seen him turn in a bad performance or let the team down. I say offer new short term lower wage contract

 

Pulis, Molyneux and Gilett never going to feature here again release/free transfer whatever

Paterson, Mills, yes out on loan

Holmes, well lets at least give him a go

Saga just shoot him and Forecast

Interesting one is Poke, currently out on loan but what is the long term plan will he make it?

One other name that was on here before is Saville, anyone got any reports on his progress?

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Of those mentioned I would imagine Thomas and Saganowski's wages are greater than the rest put together.

 

Saganowski has done nothing but sit and take the money........the fact that Poland failed to reached the World Cup finals has just encouraged him to sit on his backside and do nothing but take easy money.........Thomas at least performs competently when called upon .......I guess Saganowski has a contract and thus can do as he wishes, but frankly I think we will be stuck with him, mainly because everyone else knows he is overpaid and likely to underperform whoever signs him and wherever that may be.

 

Still it's the manager's (I suppose) decision not to play him isn't it.

If he were asked to play I doubt if he could refuse and still get paid. Unless he has a silly contract which says no League 1 football or something.

I presume we are not playing him to save bonus money based on appearances,he probably doesn't want to play in League 1 so there's no point in throwing away good bonus money for substandard effort.

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Thomas whenever i've seen him make an appearence, (injuries have really hampered him) never seen him turn in a bad performance or let the team down. I say offer new short term lower wage contract

 

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Really ? have you seen the two goals that Colchester scored against us?

Trotman and Thomas are the architects of both of them, too slow, badly placed poor game reading both times.

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Of those mention I'm happy with Forecast, Pattison, Morgan - goes without saying, and Lancashire.

 

Forecast has done nothing wrong and I've not seen anything of him so won't judge him. If Davis gets injured who do you want on th ebench, and as a league 1 club who do you expect we could get that would be better?

 

For me Pattison is a great prospect. He has strength, enough pace, work rate, decent enough touch and scores the odd goal. Lafferty, a very similar player went for a small fortune when he signed for Rangers.

 

Lancashire has not shined, the main problem is being bullied by forwards in the CCC, but given time I think he has a chance to turn things round here. He is very classy on the ball, he just needs to toughen up.

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If Davis get's injured then obviously Bart will takeover. So it is a question of who is the better 3rd choice keeper/prospect. Poke has been with us a longtime now, must be at least 6 years? He seems to be doing well at Torquay and has started 17 game this year, learning his trade at a lower division. Where as Forecast went on loan to Grimsby played a couple of games and was sent home for being gash. If the 2nd to bottom club in the whole of football league send you home then chances are your not so great. And at 23/24 he should be doing what Poke has done for the past 3-4 years and actually be playing games.

So that is why i said Forecast simply because at 23/24 he has next to no experience and one of the teams who took a chance on him thought he was rubbish. In a couple of years he will be 25/26 and will have played only 4 games since 2002/03 if thing's remain as they are. It has nothing to do with Lowe getting him in.

 

And reason i said Holmes is simply because the lad is injured quite a bit. He is a decent player when he is out there playing but he has been with us 18 months now, and has played 11 games and in those 11 games has not really done anything major. I would trade him for Waigo for sure.

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Aside from those already mentioned Poke and Thompson.

 

Not sure why so many are down on Forecast (apart from the fact he was signed when Rupes was Chairman) but he is a far better prospect than Poke. He was good enough to get on the bench for a PL team so is def good enough to fight for the no.2 spot in L1 with Bart.

 

Have you seen Forecast play???

If you had you would see there is a reason why and its nothing to do with your idol - he is gone - he ****ed up get over it.

Forecast is beaten far too many times from long range and is shocking on crosses.

I have seen him 6 times and he has been poor everytime.

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agree with most of the above,

 

I rated Thomas until Jaidi came along, he does the dominant defender job so much better. Jaidi is quality.

 

Thomas was a desperate buy after Burley attempted to fix our defensive crisis by buying loads of midfielders and fitting square pegs into round holes. Thomas did a good job initially and has been pretty solid for most of the time. The issue is, Jaidi is a far superior player and Thomas is definitely not part of AP's plans.

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Patterson had the opportunity to go out on loan to 2 sides this season but declined choosing instead to stay and fight for his place. I think he should discuss this further with AP and see what his chances are of 1st team football this season. Maybe with the increasing fixture list it will be worth keeping him around.

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Have you seen Forecast play???

If you had you would see there is a reason why and its nothing to do with your idol - he is gone - he ****ed up get over it.

Forecast is beaten far too many times from long range and is shocking on crosses.

I have seen him 6 times and he has been poor everytime.

 

I've seen Forecast play quite a few times in pre-season friendlies and must say Give it to Ron is right he is absolutely shocking, same as Pulis. These two are both the most pointless signings ever (Not worst cause some have cost us more money), pointless because they will never be good enough.

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I've seen Forecast play quite a few times in pre-season friendlies and must say Give it to Ron is right he is absolutely shocking, same as Pulis. These two are both the most pointless signings ever (Not worst cause some have cost us more money), pointless because they will never be good enough.

 

Don't leave out their mate Molyneux, he's just as bad.

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I've got a complete team to move on....

 

---------------------------------Poke-------------------------------------

Thompson--------------Mills-------------Thomas-----------------Molyneaux

Holmes----------------Gillet-------------Pulis-------------------McClaggon

--------------------------Saga-----------Paterson-----------------------

 

Sub: Boyle (in 80s one sub allowed style!)

 

Maybe Marcus could enter a team in a Sunday league?

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Very harsh on Thomson, Mills, McLaggon and Paterson.

Plus you've got three of them out of position ;)

 

Not harsh really, I'm not saying they are c rap footballers, but given the players we are signing and the way we are going I would be willing to bet there is a good chance that none of the 4 you mentioned will ever be in a Saints starting line-up again.

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Thomson is not a RB, and i think has decent potential.

 

Can't believe you want rid of paterson, perhaps on loan but the boy has decent work rate and potential.

 

Mills, again decent potential.

 

Mclaggon, i am not really sure he will make the team tbh, so i would agree to letting him leave for 1st team football.

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I've got a complete team to move on....

 

---------------------------------Poke-------------------------------------

Thompson--------------Mills-------------Thomas-----------------Molyneaux

Holmes----------------Gillet-------------Pulis-------------------McClaggon

--------------------------Saga-----------Paterson-----------------------

 

 

Saints don't have a player called Thompson.

 

I guess you mean Jake Thomson, and he is not a right back. ;)

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