Arizona Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 A few months ago we had a poll to see which competition was most important to people this season: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=18300 At the time the League looked a little more likely and there was 75% support for it as top priority. Now that we have apparently slipped back in the League and how far we have come in the two cup competitions, which one are you most concerned about. For me it's still the JPT. The chance of silverware for the first time in decades is just too important, no matter how trivial the competition is long term. Edit: By priority, I mean which games should we rest players for, which games would you go to if you could only afford one etc. Not a straight choice between winning the League, winning the FA Cup or winning the JPT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 League was the priority - doesnt look likely anymore, so people will revert to "it was never realistic" For me the JPT is a real micky mouse cup - yes its silverware, but its not taken seriously by 95% of clubs (my opinion) and hope its not been a factor in ruining our promotion ambitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 League was the priority - doesnt look likely anymore, so people will revert to "it was never realistic" For me the JPT is a real micky mouse cup - yes its silverware, but its not taken seriously by 95% of clubs (my opinion) and hope its not been a factor in ruining our promotion ambitions. That doesn't even make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 The league is still #1 priority. We need to sprint for the finish line like there is no tomorrow. We have to make sure we are a well-oiled machine with no bullsh*t excuses come the beginning of August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 i suppose mine have not really changed, i was looking for league survial and a good fa cup run, the JPT never crossed my mind. but now lets have a fun day out at wembley, loads of kids will be able to go and the clubs supporters base will widen further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Can we have an option for something like 'consolidation' - League success isn't my priority for the year, an opinion most forum users seemed to share at the start of the season when we found out we still have a club. The general view then was this season was about rebuilding, consolidation and preparing for next season. It was about building a squad of players and giving them time to gel over the course of the season. Starting on -10 with no pre-season, anything other than survival was seen as a bonus. But now we are questioning the manager because we're not fighting for promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 League was the priority - doesnt look likely anymore, so people will revert to "it was never realistic" For me the JPT is a real micky mouse cup - yes its silverware, but its not taken seriously by 95% of clubs (my opinion) and hope its not been a factor in ruining our promotion ambitions. to be fair i have been saying from the start that the league was never realistic. At the start of the season i was just glad we had a club to support. This season was always, for me going to be one of rebuiding and if we all get a day out at Wembley along the way then that can only be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Can we have an option for something like 'consolidation' - League success isn't my priority for the year, an opinion most forum users seemed to share at the start of the season when we found out we still have a club. The general view then was this season was about rebuilding, consolidation and preparing for next season. It was about building a squad of players and giving them time to gel over the course of the season. Starting on -10 with no pre-season, anything other than survival was seen as a bonus. But now we are questioning the manager because we're not fighting for promotion. No we are questioning the manager because he has spent a fortune, the performances are sh*te, and there is no evidence to support the theory that it will "come good" next season. Why is that SO hard for some on here to grasp ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 I'm not 100% sure but I would imagine that moving up a league would bring more money to the club than the other 2,not that we really need the money..... Also getting promoted gives us a bit more of the spotlight in the media and tv,at the moment we don't really register on anybodys radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 A few weeks ago I thought the League was our main priority, hen the JPT (because we have a realistic chance of winning it) then way behind was the FA Cup. But now promotion looks very unlikely, even if we hit top form. We are a draw away from Wembley in the JPT and face the skates and are two games from Wembley in the FAC so it's hard to prioritise. Though the JPT is quite Mickey Mouse we shouldn't underestimate the value of a trip to Wembley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 No we are questioning the manager because he has spent a fortune, the performances are sh*te, and there is no evidence to support the theory that it will "come good" next season. Why is that SO hard for some on here to grasp ? Judge Pardew at the end of the month, after the two cup games, two tricky away ties and a home game v Walsall. If we perform well in the cup games and get 7 points in the 3 league games I will be happy. Getting a result at Norwich will be very hard but not unachievable. Get behind the team, fed up with the negativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 The league is still #1 priority. We need to sprint for the finish line like there is no tomorrow. We have to make sure we are a well-oiled machine with no bullsh*t excuses come the beginning of August. Agree - even if playoffs are an impossibility, momentum is everything. Remember how the late surge in the 2005-2006 season not only calmed relegation fears but more important set us up for a promotion push the next season. The last thing we need is for the buzz and optimism that have been around the club to slacken or be taken for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 No we are questioning the manager because he has spent a fortune, the performances are sh*te, and there is no evidence to support the theory that it will "come good" next season. Why is that SO hard for some on here to grasp ? when was the last time you saw us play? just out of interest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 The league was my priority, i just can't see it being achievable now which i believe to be a real let down. We don't even appear to be even competing at the correct level. I understand everyone saying that we are not losing but in reality is that what we feel we should be achieving or just good enough ?? A JPT win will hopefully but a little bit of gloss on this season and i am willing to forget this season, however anything other than automatic next year will be catastrophic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Agree - even if playoffs are an impossibility, momentum is everything. Remember how the late surge in the 2005-2006 season not only calmed relegation fears but more important set us up for a promotion push the next season. The last thing we need is for the buzz and optimism that have been around the club to slacken or be taken for granted. Yep, but everyone is drifting off the real goal for sustained success and a prosperous club with these rosy-tinted images of having a few hours at Wemberlee for the Johnson Paints Trophy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 when was the last time you saw us play? just out of interest What relevance does it have ? People that attending every game have said we are going backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 No we are questioning the manager because he has spent a fortune, the performances are sh*te, and there is no evidence to support the theory that it will "come good" next season. Why is that SO hard for some on here to grasp ? What he did at Reading? Teams take time to blend Fergie did not build Man Utd in a season I always thought you were an older fan Alpine who would realise patience is required in football Ted would have lasted a season with this sort of approach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 7 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Yep, but everyone is drifting off the real goal for sustained success and a prosperous club with these rosy-tinted images of having a few hours at Wemberlee for the Johnson Paints Trophy... Or what about the Cup final in '03? The feel good factor from that, IMO, is what propelled us to a Champions League spot the following Christmas. I tihnk winning the JPT would be far more of a boost to the players and fans than moving up to 8th or 9th place in the League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 What relevance does it have ? People that attending every game have said we are going backwards. its very relevant when forming your own opinion and not just jumping on the 1st band wagon that comes along. I attend almost every game and dont think we are going backwards, more sideway at the moment, due to so many new signings bedding in at once (just like the start of the season) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponto1963 Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 No we are questioning the manager because he has spent a fortune, the performances are sh*te, and there is no evidence to support the theory that it will "come good" next season. Why is that SO hard for some on here to grasp ? Because a lot on here don't agree with you. We are building for the future, we are winning more than I can remember in a long time, we've only lost a few this season. And that's with not much time to gel the team. The January window is as much a nuisance as a help. The new players need to gel in. What I don't understand why people have to ***** so much when things are going fairly well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 What relevance does it have ? People that attending every game have said we are going backwards. So actually watching the team has no relevance to your opinion of the team!?! I have heard it all now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Realistically , we have the best chance to win the JPT, so its that 1 for me, obviously beating Pomey (not thinking of winning the cup) the play offs would be an amazing bionus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 The league was obviously #1 priority at the start of the season, and in essence that remains the case, but I said that I believe a top 10 finish would be a "decent" return, if it was coupled with a cup run, and I still stand by that. The playoffs are an outside bet now (as, in reality, they were back in August), 15 points to make up in 18 games is a tall order, but I think the size of the gap is largely due to the surprise form of the likes of Swindon and Colchester - neither of whom were expected to challenge at the start of the season. While I've been slightly underwhelmed by our performances since the middle of December, we have won every game at home. Away from home, it's difficult to really pin-point the reason why we've gone from 10 games unbeaten to 5 league games without a win. Lambert hasn't looked quite as sharp, Lallana likewise, perhaps both could have done with a rest at some point, but they're so pivotal to the way we play - do you want to take a chance of dropping points against the likes of Stockport and Exeter at home, or should we be playing a full-strength XI every game? It's a tough call, but ultimately that's the sort of decision Pardew's paid for. Regardless of the merit of the JPT, a trophy is a trophy, and it's a realistic target for us this season. With no cup win for 34 years, I'll certainly be making the most of the day at Wembley if we get there. While the importance of the league should never be ignored, it should also be noted how much of a galvanising effect a trip to a cup final has on a team and the fanbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Or what about the Cup final in '03? The feel good factor from that, IMO, is what propelled us to a Champions League spot the following Christmas. I tihnk winning the JPT would be far more of a boost to the players and fans than moving up to 8th or 9th place in the League. Do you really need reminding what happened thereafter ??? We need SUSTAINABILITY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 So actually watching the team has no relevance to your opinion of the team!?! I have heard it all now. I personally feel that I have access to all the information I need to formulate a perspective on how the team are doing that is not that wide of the mark. Those who think that you have to be there eating pies and drinking beer to do so seem to have limited capabilites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 7 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Do you really need reminding what happened thereafter ??? We need SUSTAINABILITY What happened thereafter wasn't as a result of reaching the final previously. My point is that that run gave the club a boost, which helped us into the top four of the Premiership by Christmas. If we have a good enough squad, there is no reasons we can't challenge for 1st place next season. A trophy win would also give us the confidence and feel good factor, on top of that ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 No we are questioning the manager because he has spent a fortune, the performances are sh*te, and there is no evidence to support the theory that it will "come good" next season. Why is that SO hard for some on here to grasp ? The only people who are seriously questioning Pardew and refuse to see the progress we have made, ironically, have hardly seen a game all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 I just want to be happy, so nothing has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 The only people who are seriously questioning Pardew and refuse to see the progress we have made, ironically, have hardly seen a game all season. That is complete b*ll*cks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 I personally feel that I have access to all the information I need to formulate a perspective on how the team are doing that is not that wide of the mark. Those who think that you have to be there eating pies and drinking beer to do so seem to have limited capabilites. It makes a massive difference if you are there, trust me - you can form your own opinion for a start, without having to pull together everyone elses. Personally i think alot is being made of our performances of late, they haven't been as dominant as earlier in the season, but we're still not really loosing games. We're going through a bit of a lean-spell performance wise (all teams do, you can't keep up 3-1 wins all season) but once we get puncheon playing regularly i think things will change, he's the sort of player we've been crying out for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Can we have an option for something like 'consolidation' - League success isn't my priority for the year, an opinion most forum users seemed to share at the start of the season when we found out we still have a club. The general view then was this season was about rebuilding, consolidation and preparing for next season. It was about building a squad of players and giving them time to gel over the course of the season. Starting on -10 with no pre-season, anything other than survival was seen as a bonus. But now we are questioning the manager because we're not fighting for promotion. to be fair i have been saying from the start that the league was never realistic. At the start of the season i was just glad we had a club to support. This season was always, for me going to be one of rebuiding and if we all get a day out at Wembley along the way then that can only be a good thing. My sentiments also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 That is complete b*ll*cks. Really? You, Glasgow and Delldays are the only ones suggesting/implying/whatever that we need a change of manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 What relevance does it have ? People that attending every game have said we are going backwards. 90% of people on here are mongs who don't really know anything about football. I'm included in that. Ok, maybe 80%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Really? You, Glasgow and Delldays are the only ones suggesting/implying/whatever that we need a change of manager. Are they the same person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 I personally feel that I have access to all the information I need to formulate a perspective on how the team are doing that is not that wide of the mark. Those who think that you have to be there eating pies and drinking beer to do so seem to have limited capabilites. sorry mate but bollix! There are those on here that same we are ok but yet you chose to ignore them. Always the negative you side with. So, those that actually attend games and have an opinion on what they actually see and not read on a forum have limited capabilities whilst those that dont attend appear to have cosmic powers! Just out of interest, do you think AP should go now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 I personally feel that I have access to all the information I need to formulate a perspective on how the team are doing that is not that wide of the mark. Those who think that you have to be there eating pies and drinking beer to do so seem to have limited capabilites. Think actually watching the team would help you get a slightly more informed opinion though. Football is all about opinions, two people could watch the same game and have completely different views, forming your opinion from other people's is a dumb way of doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 7 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 7 February, 2010 That is complete b*ll*cks. Look at the team we had lined up in summer before the take over. Wotton, Bart, Perry, Thomas, Saga, Holmes, Davis, Lallana, James, Morgan, Molyneux, Forecast. That's about it really. I guess you could throw players like Paterson and Gobern in there, but they were hardly first teamers. That lot would probably have taken us down to League 2 without some decent investment, especially given how Lallana, Morgan, Saga and Davis at least would have left. Personally this season was always a write off as far as the League was concerned. A playoff spot would have been a welcome but enormous surprise. A cup campaign though was always on the cards and winning the JPT would be a massive bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simondo Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 sadly i don't think we get to the playoffs, wtf is the JPT, so for me, beating pompey is the best we will achieve this season (obviously then getting to wembley and winning the fa cup!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 sadly i don't think we get to the playoffs, wtf is the JPT, so for me, beating pompey is the best we will achieve this season (obviously then getting to wembley and winning the fa cup!) You're joking I take it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 The only people who are seriously questioning Pardew and refuse to see the progress we have made, ironically, have hardly seen a game all season. Depends on the context, really. I've missed three games all season home and away, but I still think there are some question marks. Yes, we've come a long way in a short space of time, etc (insert cliche here! ) but since mid-December, we've laboured a bit in most games. There's not the same intensity as we had in the games against, say, Gillingham, Walsall and MK Dons (league game), and I think the loss of David Connolly has had much more of an impact than has perhaps been generally accepted. The conditions have played a big part in the last couple of away games (Brentford and Exeter), but the added quality that we have in the side should still be good enough to see out a winning position in those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 i suppose mine have not really changed, i was looking for league survial and a good fa cup run, the JPT never crossed my mind. but now lets have a fun day out at wembley, loads of kids will be able to go and the clubs supporters base will widen further Yeah I agree - we got to go with what is realistic so JPT it is. We are not going to win the Cup but I hope we beat Pompey, and the play offs were always a figment of some of our more "hopeful" fans imaginations so guess we better settle for the Paint trophy. Let's hope NC has his priorities going along similar lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Depends on the context, really. I've missed three games all season home and away, but I still think there are some question marks. Yes, we've come a long way in a short space of time, etc (insert cliche here! ) but since mid-December, we've laboured a bit in most games. There's not the same intensity as we had in the games against, say, Gillingham, Walsall and MK Dons (league game), and I think the loss of David Connolly has had much more of an impact than has perhaps been generally accepted. The conditions have played a big part in the last couple of away games (Brentford and Exeter), but the added quality that we have in the side should still be good enough to see out a winning position in those games. But read my post more carefully - even with this dip in form (which IMO, isn't that drastic a dip) the improvement we've made since Pardew took over is clear to see. But not to the three I mentioned further up the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Really? You, Glasgow and Delldays are the only ones suggesting/implying/whatever that we need a change of manager. Please find a post to quote where I have demanded we change the manager. Otherwise, stop mis-representing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simondo Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 no what significance is the jpt to anyone, it the southern area final of some **** pot trophy. ok so you get to go to wembley... for me, much better to beat pompey and go to wembly for real in the fa cup final..... so there...! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 sorry mate but bollix! There are those on here that same we are ok but yet you chose to ignore them. Always the negative you side with. So, those that actually attend games and have an opinion on what they actually see and not read on a forum have limited capabilities whilst those that dont attend appear to have cosmic powers! Just out of interest, do you think AP should go now? I have given my opinion on this SEVERAL times since 1800 yesterday. IF you really havent seen it, it suggest to me that you really only seek out the most controversial of my comments to respond to. However, for your benefit, here it is again. I would give him until Xmas to demonstrate that we are in the driving seat for promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 no what significance is the jpt to anyone, it the southern area final of some **** pot trophy. ok so you get to go to wembley... for me, much better to beat pompey and go to wembly for real in the fa cup final..... so there...! :-) but we won't get to the final of the FA Cup tbh, in a realistic world - so the JPT offers a realistic chance for fans of this club to get to go to wembley - no one would pass that up, whether it's the tin pot trophy or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Please find a post to quote where I have demanded we change the manager. Otherwise, stop mis-representing me. .+1 I hate people mis-representing me. Makes me so upset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 Or what about the Cup final in '03? The feel good factor from that, IMO, is what propelled us to a Champions League spot the following Christmas. I tihnk winning the JPT would be far more of a boost to the players and fans than moving up to 8th or 9th place in the League. and a quick pay back for Markus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 No we are questioning the manager because he has spent a fortune, the performances are sh*te, and there is no evidence to support the theory that it will "come good" next season. Why is that SO hard for some on here to grasp ? so, this is saying you want him to stay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 7 February, 2010 Share Posted 7 February, 2010 While the importance of the league should never be ignored, it should also be noted how much of a galvanising effect a trip to a cup final has on a team and the fanbase. And there it is...cannot wait for Tuesday! It should also be noted that there will still be another 9 games after the JPT Final so should we be lucky enough to get there then there is still plenty of time to have a good push on and get some good form running towards the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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