Badger Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 He seems sure he'll still be manager next season and in three years says he will be saints manager challenging for the Premiership. Good news! Sorry if already posted. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8592090.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefunkygibbons Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 Well balanced article Nothing less than promotion next year will do And expect more signings in the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 Indeed, the good times are coming back ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 "Southampton's first domestic silverware since 1976" Here's hoping there's enough space in the trophy cabinet alongside all the non-domestic silverware! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint137 Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 "Challenging for the Premiership". In three seasons? Does he mean challenging for the title or just playing there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 What I really like about Pards is his approach and attitude. He has not risen to the bate, but has accepted the criticism and got on with the job in hand. I am sure he is wiley enough to score a few political points with the media to gain support fro his cause, but given the rapid progress he has deserved his chance. Personally, I dont have a problem with NC providing the pressure. Given the investment in Jan especially, its possible this was approved on the proviso that it would provide the necessary quality to challenge for a playoff place. But as Alan was quick to respond 'we all know in football it does not work like that' - true to an extent, in a game in which luck plays an unwelcome part at times, and in which the better side with all the possession and chances can come away with nothing. It can be a very cruel game. But no one expects him to win 46 games or even go undefeated and teh mannner of the defeats we will inevitably suffer will range from bad luck, a dodgy decison here and there and injuries and periods of simply poor form will surface when least expected. Timing is everything as Leeds are now seeing - the momentum lost could cost them that automatic place - had their points accumulation been reversed with a bad start followed by a winning run that had now seen them edge into second spot ahead of Millwall on goal difference, the money would be on them to take that second place, as it is, they look like potentially throwing it away... as i said its cruel game. Pards, probably feels he has been a little hard done by by the comments from NC... and to an extent he is right to do so, afterall given the dark place we were in back in July, the light he has brought (with MLs investment) has been wonderful for us fans to behold. After 5 years of misery and infighting, divisive debate and argument, we have finally been able to debate the goings on on the pitch again, as normal fans, arguing about performances - including the nature of wins! But I suspect that the goal posts changed when we showed that following the investment and Pards work in getting back a fighting and winning mentality, at one point only 9 points from teh playoffs with a game in hand and 15+ odd to go, it gave a genuine feeling that the playoffs were only a few games away. The form book shows our points tally since Christmas to be Championship wining form, and in any other season we woudl be sitting comfortablly at the right end of the table with hope of promotion more than a slim optimistic dream... but this is a season in which the -10, and the demotivated squad we started with, meant minimal points from that opening period as we suffered from the psychological impact of that punishment; the 10 points were not the only negative that we began the season with. That bad start meant that any slip up since Christmas is far more costly, regardless of the reasosn, whether the 'pitch', simple poor form, or bad luck... we could not afford to throw away precious points if we were serious about getting out of this league this year... and for some fans this frustration is clear, for others we were so used to 'falling short' ...'there's always next season'. For that reason the pressure NC is heaping on our talisman Pards is right. Its about clear and unambiguous ambition based on the advantage we have through teh substantial investment provided by our owner - a man far more astute and effective in the business world than his 'cuddly camera' moments allude to. Sure, it was great to see. It shows his REAL joy and enthusiasm for this club and its great to see the infectious nature of supporting a club rubs on so easily to someone who many would most likely never have heard of us before NC put a potential deal in front of him... the creid for that goes to the fans and staff of our club. The culture and committment we create means we are (and I am biassed) a club that is easy to like - and 50,000 fans in a party spirit personify that spirit... something we had not really seen since that wonderful ady in Cardiff when the whole country (with the exception of an area of North London and 19 miles along the south coast) were willing us to win. Markus and Nicola; welcome to Saints. Sunday's crowd will have done more to show them what we are about than anything else we do this season. So what does all this mean for Pards? I dont think there is any doubt taht he will be here next season, and he has shown that he deserves to be. But, I am going to throw in a contriovercial question. NOT intended to start an argument but because as contrivercial as it might be, I think teh nature of debate in football should allow us to debate these things without it decending into farce. The quality we have will probably mean we get promoted next season. And with teh right investment should see us challenge in the CCC. BUt i was talking to a regualr poster on here on Sunday, someone whose opinion is respected - if at times maybe considered negative - his understanding of the game is such that when he posts its always insightful and should not be dismissed. The question his insights pose are aimed at WHY we have lasot certain games and what does this mean for the future? Analysis on purely footballing terms shows that on several occaisions we have simply been outsmarted. Our quality advantage, rendered neutral through being out thought. NOw this is not something I get too worried about in L1, or perhaps even in the CCC as it wont happen too often, but simple things like lack of width as the midfield is sucked in (no width) suggests there is still an element of concern at being swamped in mid field. The reliance on Sunday of the long ball and Lambert's immense performances, hints at a lack of options or plan B. For me, as a purist, I would like to see the ball on the deck a bit more and the poor quality of the pitch (disgraceful for a national stadium) is not really an excuse. For League 1, as many have in the past said, we need to know how to win ugly and adapt to sides who come and defend etc... need the long ball option as its successful ... but I am not so sure. If we are good enough we can beat anyone with football, and will not need to resort to the 'traditional tactic' - especially if we are building a side for the future. I want to see Pards show that belief - show variety and tactical variation. Because if we really want to be in the prem and stay there, we need someone who can out think the best on occasion, and not attempt to out muscle. We could say that Pards job right now is simply to get us promoted.... and I can appreciate that argument. BUt I also want saints to finally hold on to a manager for years and years, building on that stability which is the proven road to success. So the question should be, not whether Pards has done ennough this seaosn to geta shot at the next (which he has undoubtedly has) biut whether he is the man to be at saints for 10 years? I hope that he is. I hope that he will get us out of this league and adapt our style with more variation when the circumstances allow... but the way we have been out thought on those few occasions is the one niggling doubt. Which is a real shame as what he HAS achieved deserves 100% support... but i cant help thinking we still have something missing... is that quality in the squad or tactical direction? I dont know, but I know what I hope it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 Good post Frank. The comment I think is most important is "The question should be, not whether Pardew has done enough this season to get a shot at the next but whether he is the man to be at Saints for 10 years" Pardew has done a good job so far building a team with a winning mentality. He had to overcome the -10 and a team with a losing and fragile mentality. That job is done and the cup final win on Sunday was definately the icing on the cake for this season. Now he has to take that forward. Many say we are in division 1, not a side in the Premier but that is what we aspire to achieve. You need to be tactically aware, prepared to have a plan B & possibly plan C. I am a little concerned that Pardew is not capable of taking us all the way and keeping us there. For now I have seen enough to champion him staying next season to demonstrate he has the ability to take us to the next level. This season has been one of progress. Next season must be consistancy and adaptability coupled with tactical awareness. That, with this team and a few new signings will gain us promotion, I am convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 Frank intresting. I think sundays route one game was more of a reaction to a lack of quaility in midfield. If we'd tried playing through the middle of the park we would have lost that battle. With Morgan fit we can play better football without him we have to revert to plan b which worked a treat. AP has experimented with different formations and tactics but when it comes down to it 4-4-2 has worked the best for us this season. I would be very happy for AP to stay and I think he can take us a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 Good post Frank. The comment I think is most important is "The question should be, not whether Pardew has done enough this season to get a shot at the next but whether he is the man to be at Saints for 10 years" Pardew has done a good job so far building a team with a winning mentality. He had to overcome the -10 and a team with a losing and fragile mentality. That job is done and the cup final win on Sunday was definately the icing on the cake for this season. Now he has to take that forward. Many say we are in division 1, not a side in the Premier but that is what we aspire to achieve. You need to be tactically aware, prepared to have a plan B & possibly plan C. I am a little concerned that Pardew is not capable of taking us all the way and keeping us there. For now I have seen enough to champion him staying next season to demonstrate he has the ability to take us to the next level. This season has been one of progress. Next season must be consistancy and adaptability coupled with tactical awareness. That, with this team and a few new signings will gain us promotion, I am convinced. Good posts from you and Frank. I hope that the important issue you have both highlighted is taken on board by the "In AP we trust" brigade. We have suffered for ages from not having an innovative Plan B. Under Burley it was embarassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 Forgive me but did not goal 1 and goal 3 come from breaks down the flanks? Our game plan (utilise Lambert's height advantage against a weakened CB pairing) worked a treat on Sunday and still people mither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 Forgive me but did not goal 1 and goal 3 come from breaks down the flanks? Our game plan (utilise Lambert's height advantage against a weakened CB pairing) worked a treat on Sunday and still people mither. I think it's the case of this is where we currently are but where do we need to be if Pardew is to be a long standing manager for Saints competing in the Premiership. One step at a time with promotion out of League One the focus. Another consideration is how many of these players will be able to compete in the Championship and finally the Premiership as stability on the playing side also is key to winning more games than losing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 I just want us to finish strong. The play offs would be unbelievable but you cant expect it. What you have to remember with Pards is that he came in too late. Our team against Millwall at home is unrecognisable from the current team. That said if our position ends up being in the playoffs if we didnt have -10, i would be happy. I live a stones throw from Thursdays venue and I'm a bit worried. All my family and friends support BHA and are confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 I think it's the case of this is where we currently are but where do we need to be if Pardew is to be a long standing manager for Saints competing in the Premiership. One step at a time with promotion out of League One the focus. Another consideration is how many of these players will be able to compete in the Championship and finally the Premiership as stability on the playing side also is key to winning more games than losing them. Build a team capable of getting out of L1 and then push on. We can't build a PL team in L1 or the CCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 Here is a thought though. The Manager has to identify those who he sees as capable of Premier football. So far he has only named Lambert and Fonte as definates and Lallana as potential. We all know the squad has to be strengthened each time we enter a new division. Players who will not sign for us in Div 1 will as we move up the leagues. There is no doubt in my mind we were lucky to get someone of Pardews talent and experience in Div 1. Could it be, just as Pardew looks to step up for class players to get us to the Premier & keep us there and those who are talented Div 1 players but not Premier drop by the wayside, Cortese may have the same thoughts about the Management & Coaching staff. I would be very suprised if he is thinking of doing anything at the end of this season uless we go on a disasterous run but it may be at the back of his mind. He signed Pardew as a Premier manager but he clearly is having second thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 Here is a thought though. The Manager has to identify those who he sees as capable of Premier football. So far he has only named Lambert and Fonte as definates and Lallana as potential. We all know the squad has to be strengthened each time we enter a new division. Players who will not sign for us in Div 1 will as we move up the leagues. There is no doubt in my mind we were lucky to get someone of Pardews talent and experience in Div 1. Could it be, just as Pardew looks to step up for class players to get us to the Premier & keep us there and those who are talented Div 1 players but not Premier drop by the wayside, Cortese may have the same thoughts about the Management & Coaching staff. I would be very suprised if he is thinking of doing anything at the end of this season uless we go on a disasterous run but it may be at the back of his mind. He signed Pardew as a Premier manager but he clearly is having second thoughts. What a load of booolloxs. You want him to be having 2nd thoughts but have no evidence to support your statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 Good posts from you and Frank. I hope that the important issue you have both highlighted is taken on board by the "In AP we trust" brigade. We have suffered for ages from not having an innovative Plan B. Under Burley it was embarassing.[/quote How do you know that neither has/had a plan B? We made the play offs under Burley so he must have done something right. And if you complain at someone winning every other game you would appear to be clueless. Thank God that the fans do not run football clubs. No doubt you would have had McMenemy out on his ear well before he managed to get us back up. Perhaps we should go back to a time where we didn't actually have faith in the manager of the club...oh yeah, that would be everyday for the likes of you. In my lifetime only one manager has gone through a season unbeaten. That means that evey other manager has failed in your eyes. Without the -10 we have had a pretty good year so far. We have shown that we can beat the best and only need to find some consistency. Is that any reason t doubt the manager? Apparently so Martin O'Neil is one of the best out there and he struggles in this departement too. So sack him? So then, who next? Because he will lose matches too and before too long the likes of Alpine will be on his back. FFS, we have just won our first trophy in decades.....and Pardew's credentials are being discussed while Cortese is out buying a bigger trophy cabinet. Dear God..... It has nothing to do with that trite phrase "In Pardew We Trust." It is about letting a decent manager get on and do his job without having to look over his shoulder every 5 minutes for idiots who want to sack him every time things do not go their way. People in the TV studio (including MLT) on Sunday were incredulous that Pardew's job should be in question. These are professional people who know about the game, not some jumped up cyber jockeys who have nothing better to do with their lives other than criticise others for doing a job that they have no idea how to do themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 Here is a thought though. The Manager has to identify those who he sees as capable of Premier football. So far he has only named Lambert and Fonte as definates and Lallana as potential. We all know the squad has to be strengthened each time we enter a new division. Players who will not sign for us in Div 1 will as we move up the leagues. There is no doubt in my mind we were lucky to get someone of Pardews talent and experience in Div 1. Could it be, just as Pardew looks to step up for class players to get us to the Premier & keep us there and those who are talented Div 1 players but not Premier drop by the wayside, Cortese may have the same thoughts about the Management & Coaching staff. I would be very suprised if he is thinking of doing anything at the end of this season uless we go on a disasterous run but it may be at the back of his mind. He signed Pardew as a Premier manager but he clearly is having second thoughts. What evidence do you have Weston? And what experience does Cortese have in this department exactly? Isn't this what Lowe was pilioried for? Running a football club with no knowledge of football? Strikes me that Cortese has a lot to learn in this department - backing his manager publically being top of the list. After the last year most of us would have been delighted at a Wembley win and a decent showing in the league. So what has Pardew done to deserve such scant respect exactly??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 What evidence do you have Weston? And what experience does Cortese have in this department exactly? Isn't this what Lowe was pilioried for? Running a football club with no knowledge of football? Strikes me that Cortese has a lot to learn in this department - backing his manager publically being top of the list. After the last year most of us would have been delighted at a Wembley win and a decent showing in the league. So what has Pardew done to deserve such scant respect exactly??? answer would be...get in a DoF...then again, im sure many saints fans will whinge about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 answer would be...get in a DoF...then again, im sure many saints fans will whinge about that No doubt DD. Now that Cortese has had a taste of sucess/the limelight perhaps he fancies the job himself? It would be good to have someone take the pressue off of Pardew though. He has a tough job if he is still her next season. He is expected to take us up and if he doesn't he will get the same scorn that some still like to heap on Burley. It doesn't help when the CEO joins in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintds Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 Just taking this a step further, if AP is proved not to be the right man and we get someone else in who does have the qualities required, then the chances are he won't be here for the long term as he will be recruited by a bigger club. Like players, managers are ambitious and want to manage the biggest clubs at the highest level. If AP proves to be a success at Saints, I suspect there will only be so far he can take us, depending on the finances made available to him, and may decide to move on anyway. All IMHO, of course. I can think of nothing better then AP taking us all the way and being with us until the year dot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 (edited) How do you know that neither has/had a plan B? We made the play offs under Burley so he must have done something right. And if you complain at someone winning every other game you would appear to be clueless. Thank God that the fans do not run football clubs. No doubt you would have had McMenemy out on his ear well before he managed to get us back up. You keep on trotting this out, presumably based on Burley's points-per-game score of about 1.5. Fair enough up to a point, but would you cavill at somebody claiming that under Burley we lost every other game? After all, 1.5 points per game would mean exactly that if we had indeed won every second game. So - would you be happy with a manager who lost every other game? Edited 30 March, 2010 by Fowllyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 No doubt DD. Now that Cortese has had a taste of sucess/the limelight perhaps he fancies the job himself? It would be good to have someone take the pressue off of Pardew though. He has a tough job if he is still her next season. He is expected to take us up and if he doesn't he will get the same scorn that some still like to heap on Burley. It doesn't help when the CEO joins in! Assuming (as seems likely) that we're still in League One next season, then I'd say Pardew should be expected to get us promoted - and not via the play-offs. If he were to fall short of this then I certainly hope that he himself would regard it as a failure, quite regardless of what anybody else might think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torbay Saint Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 (edited) The long ball game was a plan long before MS was ruled out. A senior member of the Saints coaching team watched Carlise play Southend. The report highlighted that their left midfielder was their best player and that once Southend competed physically, Carlise could not compete. The plan was always to use Rickie in that way, with or without MS. Saints (led by Pardew) did there homework and it paid off. Edited 30 March, 2010 by Torbay Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 Good posts from you and Frank. I hope that the important issue you have both highlighted is taken on board by the "In AP we trust" brigade. We have suffered for ages from not having an innovative Plan B. Under Burley it was embarassing.[/quote How do you know that neither has/had a plan B? We made the play offs under Burley so he must have done something right. And if you complain at someone winning every other game you would appear to be clueless. Thank God that the fans do not run football clubs. No doubt you would have had McMenemy out on his ear well before he managed to get us back up. Perhaps we should go back to a time where we didn't actually have faith in the manager of the club...oh yeah, that would be everyday for the likes of you. In my lifetime only one manager has gone through a season unbeaten. That means that evey other manager has failed in your eyes. Without the -10 we have had a pretty good year so far. We have shown that we can beat the best and only need to find some consistency. Is that any reason t doubt the manager? Apparently so Martin O'Neil is one of the best out there and he struggles in this departement too. So sack him? So then, who next? Because he will lose matches too and before too long the likes of Alpine will be on his back. FFS, we have just won our first trophy in decades.....and Pardew's credentials are being discussed while Cortese is out buying a bigger trophy cabinet. Dear God..... It has nothing to do with that trite phrase "In Pardew We Trust." It is about letting a decent manager get on and do his job without having to look over his shoulder every 5 minutes for idiots who want to sack him every time things do not go their way. People in the TV studio (including MLT) on Sunday were incredulous that Pardew's job should be in question. These are professional people who know about the game, not some jumped up cyber jockeys who have nothing better to do with their lives other than criticise others for doing a job that they have no idea how to do themselves. Same drivel from you, aimed exclusively at the focus (me) of your ranting obsession as usual, and not at the two people I was agreeing with, tellingly... Nothing new to see, people move along... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 No doubt DD. Now that Cortese has had a taste of sucess/the limelight perhaps he fancies the job himself? It would be good to have someone take the pressue off of Pardew though. He has a tough job if he is still her next season. He is expected to take us up and if he doesn't he will get the same scorn that some still like to heap on Burley. It doesn't help when the CEO joins in! You dont like Cortese, refuse to see what he has brought to the club, and want Lowe back. Be a man and have the balls to admit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 Surely its not a question of liking or disliking any party, and even reading all the posts above it should be clear that we ALL respect Pards and acknolwedge the great job he has done to date. Most would agree that continuity and stability will play a big part in any future success, and the issues seems to be quite simple. Pards HAS done a phenomenmal job, given the starting point, no question...but what some are simply asking is whether maybe our tactics and choices are contributary factors to the defeats we have suffered in what were on papaer very winnable games - now the impact of this will only be truely evaluable at season's end and more appropriately at the end of next season. I think we ALL want Pards to succeed because his attitude and approach is spot on, but does he have the creative and tactical nous to lead to the success level that is expected by NC and ML relative to the investment they have provided and will provide? Thats a fair question and is in no way disrespectful to his undoudted ability and commitment. Losing to better sides is one thing, but if we lose games because we get it wrong tactically its another and that is all folk are asking... I for one hope and believe he will demonstrate that tactical nous as the squad is improved technically as we progress... but the great thing is this is a FOOTBALL debate and the very fact that we are talking about FOOTBALL again and not politics is what I find great ... we should not spoil that with tit for tat infighting...we all have valid opinions that should be respected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 Surely its not a question of liking or disliking any party, and even reading all the posts above it should be clear that we ALL respect Pards and acknolwedge the great job he has done to date. Most would agree that continuity and stability will play a big part in any future success, and the issues seems to be quite simple. Pards HAS done a phenomenmal job, given the starting point, no question...but what some are simply asking is whether maybe our tactics and choices are contributary factors to the defeats we have suffered in what were on papaer very winnable games - now the impact of this will only be truely evaluable at season's end and more appropriately at the end of next season. I think we ALL want Pards to succeed because his attitude and approach is spot on, but does he have the creative and tactical nous to lead to the success level that is expected by NC and ML relative to the investment they have provided and will provide? Thats a fair question and is in no way disrespectful to his undoudted ability and commitment. Losing to better sides is one thing, but if we lose games because we get it wrong tactically its another and that is all folk are asking... I for one hope and believe he will demonstrate that tactical nous as the squad is improved technically as we progress... but the great thing is this is a FOOTBALL debate and the very fact that we are talking about FOOTBALL again and not politics is what I find great ... we should not spoil that with tit for tat infighting...we all have valid opinions that should be respected? Managers get things wrong and teams lose, even Jose and SAF do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickfire Double Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 I just want us to finish strong. The play offs would be unbelievable but you cant expect it. What you have to remember with Pards is that he came in too late. Our team against Millwall at home is unrecognisable from the current team. That said if our position ends up being in the playoffs if we didnt have -10, i would be happy. I live a stones throw from Thursdays venue and I'm a bit worried. All my family and friends support BHA and are confident. If all else fails, you could always throw some stones then?? I'm not too far from the Withdean either, and gutted I can't go. Wouldn't mind seeing BHA sneak up the divisions alongside us for the sake of a very easy away game when they move to Falmer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 What evidence do you have Weston? And what experience does Cortese have in this department exactly? Isn't this what Lowe was pilioried for? Running a football club with no knowledge of football? Strikes me that Cortese has a lot to learn in this department - backing his manager publically being top of the list. After the last year most of us would have been delighted at a Wembley win and a decent showing in the league. So what has Pardew done to deserve such scant respect exactly???There has been enough in the media to suggest Cortese is "impatient" That is why comments were made in the press and on TV recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croydonsaint Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 I think there hopefully is an element of Cortese going through a steep learning curve this year,. Its a different game looking after a very rich mans investment portfolio than running a football club. Hes obviously been succesful in what hes done previously but i feel ive seen a few signs of, perhaps arrogance [not necessarily a bad things, most succesful people have this] and maybe some naivity in his expectations. I hope this doesnt lead him to make unnecessary changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 He signed Pardew as a Premier manager but he clearly is having second thoughts. Still awaiting your evidence for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 Cortese is not impatient, he is ambitious and passionate in his objectives. I fully support AP, but I would like Glenn Hoddle to fill one of the coaching roles as we move up the divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 Cortese is not impatient, not in my eyes. People need to get over his comments, they have been made and we have kicked on and shown a more committed and dangerous form since along with a cup win and beating the top sides, something we HAD NOT MANAGED TO DO all season. Cortese has ambition in abundance, why else would he have purchased a league 1 club in meltdown ?? I went years watching a saints team that never seemed like going forward and when it finally did....slowly we failed to make the purchases our forward momentum needed. NC was right to make his comments, he obviously had a meeting with pards when the extra cash was offered in Jan and our performances dwindled. What would you rather ?? The obscurity of the last regime or the reletive transparancy of this ?? Like many good business managers Cortese decided to give pards and the team a kick up the arse in the hope that heads didn't need to roll, and look, it worked, case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 He seems sure he'll still be manager next season and in three years says he will be saints manager challenging for the Premiership. Good news! Sorry if already posted. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8592090.stm Am... I realise this thread has changed into a different debate... But did you post the link to the right article? I see no mention of next season, 3 years or the premiership on the link you sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 March, 2010 Share Posted 30 March, 2010 Cortese is not impatient, not in my eyes. People need to get over his comments, they have been made and we have kicked on and shown a more committed and dangerous form since along with a cup win and beating the top sides, something we HAD NOT MANAGED TO DO all season. Cortese has ambition in abundance, why else would he have purchased a league 1 club in meltdown ?? I went years watching a saints team that never seemed like going forward and when it finally did....slowly we failed to make the purchases our forward momentum needed. NC was right to make his comments,[/color] he obviously had a meeting with pards when the extra cash was offered in Jan and our performances dwindled. What would you rather ?? The obscurity of the last regime or the reletive transparancy of this ?? Like many good business managers Cortese decided to give pards and the team a kick up the arse in the hope that heads didn't need to roll, and look, it worked, case closed. You mean about the same time we started playing all the signings on a regular basis and they got to now each other, might have more to do with it than NC comments I think. NC has every right to express his unhappiness but he should do it in private with AP not in a radio show question and answer. A good manager does not show up his staff in public it's counter productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 31 March, 2010 Share Posted 31 March, 2010 Am... I realise this thread has changed into a different debate... But did you post the link to the right article? I see no mention of next season, 3 years or the premiership on the link you sent. Is this the even newer article you're looking for..? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8592107.stm NOTE: This article is not the same as the one posted by the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 March, 2010 Share Posted 31 March, 2010 Cortese is not impatient, not in my eyes. People need to get over his comments, they have been made and we have kicked on and shown a more committed and dangerous form since along with a cup win and beating the top sides, something we HAD NOT MANAGED TO DO all season. Cortese has ambition in abundance, why else would he have purchased a league 1 club in meltdown ?? I went years watching a saints team that never seemed like going forward and when it finally did....slowly we failed to make the purchases our forward momentum needed. NC was right to make his comments, he obviously had a meeting with pards when the extra cash was offered in Jan and our performances dwindled. What would you rather ?? The obscurity of the last regime or the reletive transparancy of this ?? Like many good business managers Cortese decided to give pards and the team a kick up the arse in the hope that heads didn't need to roll, and look, it worked, case closed. Top Post. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 31 March, 2010 Author Share Posted 31 March, 2010 Is this the even newer article you're looking for..? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8592107.stm NOTE: This article is not the same as the one posted by the OP. Yes this is the article I meant sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 March, 2010 Share Posted 31 March, 2010 Midfield of likes of Puncheon, Wago, Lallana, Antonio, Schneiderlin doesn't sould like a one dimensional long ball midfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 March, 2010 Share Posted 31 March, 2010 Midfield of likes of Puncheon, Wago, Lallana, Antonio, Schneiderlin doesn't sould like a one dimensional long ball midfield? It's not, and luckily when they manage to play we play an attractive pass and move football mixed with the long hoof to super RL. Unfortunately take the real central ball player out of the mix (spiderman) and we struggle to find anyone in that department that is able to do it and so our long ball plan B becomes a boring plan A. Also when Wotton fits in and partners schneiderlin it seems to negate MS' game as he is just a hoof merchant too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 March, 2010 Share Posted 31 March, 2010 You mean about the same time we started playing all the signings on a regular basis and they got to now each other, might have more to do with it than NC comments I think. NC has every right to express his unhappiness but he should do it in private with AP not in a radio show question and answer. A good manager does not show up his staff in public it's counter productive. We can argue till the cows come home, was it the players ?? Or was it the comments ?? I really don't care, but something worked. NC made his comments and it was completely blown out of proportion by some on this forum and the media. I am not going to slag off a man that has so much genuine ambition for our club, Pardew knows the score and what is needed of him, so do the players and now so do we, it just makes any decisions the man has to make easier as we can see what is coming. I don't think NC was ever considering sacking Pardew, but he has made clear what he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycrow Posted 31 March, 2010 Share Posted 31 March, 2010 Yes this is the article I meant sorry Thought you were seeing things for a while there Badger Thanks for the link St Landrew Good article. Lots of good quotes and great to hear him saying the things he's saying. I hadn't realised he'd been out of work for close to two years before taking the job, didn't seem like that. At least we know from that, that he's not to the type of guy to just take a wage packet, because I'm sure he would have had offers. Very pleasing, very pleasing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 31 March, 2010 Share Posted 31 March, 2010 Cortese is not impatient, he is ambitious and passionate in his objectives. I fully support AP, but I would like Glenn Hoddle to fill one of the coaching roles as we move up the divisions. That's a surprise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 31 March, 2010 Share Posted 31 March, 2010 I think the whole Cortese thing is just a reflection on Football itself. So Cortese worked in the financial industry right? Well in that industry if you say to your team "I expect better, we are not doing well enough" then that is a kick up the arse and the team think they better buck their ideas up. However, you say that in football and everybody assumes the manager is about to get the boot, rather than taking it as the kick up the arse it was intended to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 31 March, 2010 Share Posted 31 March, 2010 Peeps should realize that Cortese giveth us Marcus......and Cortese can taketh away again Short sighted and blinkered Saints fans screwed this Club over once in it's history...lets not make twice eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 March, 2010 Share Posted 31 March, 2010 Also when Wotton fits in and partners schneiderlin it seems to negate MS' game as he is just a hoof merchant too. That would be because the roles are inverted but Wotton isn't a passing ace so he doesn't find Morgan to allow him to effect the relayer role correctly.Wotton probably doesn't read the game well enough to allow him to be in the right place at the right time either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 31 March, 2010 Share Posted 31 March, 2010 That would be because the roles are inverted but Wotton isn't a passing ace so he doesn't find Morgan to allow him to effect the relayer role correctly.Wotton probably doesn't read the game well enough to allow him to be in the right place at the right time either. and Sunday also showed that he can't rugby tackle for sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 March, 2010 Share Posted 31 March, 2010 and Sunday also showed that he can't rugby tackle for sh*t. I didn't even notice him for roughly 80% of the time, for me he did absolutely f all.If I gave out match notes he'd have got 4'ish, just for turning up. Can't understand that there are people who say he played "well enough".Perhaps I didn't notice him enough to judge,could be that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 1 April, 2010 Share Posted 1 April, 2010 Apologise for being vague in this post, but heard a story yesterday about Pardew and his reaction to Sunday. It was from someone who knows him well. Unfortunately I have been asked not to pass on our conversation but I was pleasantly surprised how proud and excited Pardew was about the win. It meant a huge amount to him and his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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