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Probably, but then that's slightly concerning. If they're having trouble it suggests that the person isn't 100 percent committed and also (if the rumours are to be believed) that the football club will not be first on the agenda. I wouldn't like to be in a situation where we have a wealthy backer who cares more about development of the area than saints.

 

P***ey don't seem to have done too badly of late from a similar position.

 

Gaydamak's (senio, as he is the one who really runs the show) prime concern on initially taking over was development of all the land around Krap Nottarf.

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where are they being linked mate?

 

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I was fortunate enough (or maybe not?) to be privy to some apparently good information on Saturday, of which I scoffed at.

 

Apparently the whole Merrington/Dubai/Shearer thing won't go away. The person who told me NEVER has anything really of substance when it comes to information about the club but nevertheless, he told me that it could well happen soon and Shearer will be installed as manager with £50m to spend over the next 2 seasons, and the club will also be debt free.

 

Then I heard the same thing again, today, from my father, about something he saw on SSN...

 

So, I'm not sure whats going on with this rumour, but it appears to be gathering pace. Am I happy about it? Not really, as we've just wasted another pre-season on preparing for something totally different...

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=10336#post10336

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I can see the valid point you are making,thus far i haven't seen anything concrete to state that this company has been created to act as a vehicle for a "takeover" at SFC,as you can see i put "quite possibly" at the end of my original post.

 

But i do not think you can disreguard the fact that it is quite plausible that this was and still is the main reason why these particular individuals grouped together to form the said company.

 

The individuals concerned, for most parts,would play definative roles in their various fields of expertise,thus these could be utilsed,drawn upon if you like,for the benefit of SFC,couple that with someone with substantial financial clout could "quite possibly" be the long term chink of light we so desperately need.

 

I don't believe in coincidences,and i don't think that these people got together to form anything else but a vehicle to asisst in the implementation of a takeover/investment opportunity at SFC.

 

Differing opinions is what makes the debate interesting.

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dubai_phil

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Take your point, but if you have money, isn't it better to buy while the market is flat, rather than wait for a recovery and buy in what could quickly become a sellers market? I guess that way more money could be made.

 

(I have not the first idea if any of the stuff on this thread is true BTW, just wanted to add to the debate).

 

A wise investor makes good money in a recession.

 

So with the crash at the moment you have to buy things that are a real bargain, not pay top dollar.

 

IF the owners of much of the land around SMS have money problems then now is the time to buy. If they don't then they themselves will want to hold on for a while for a better price.

 

Likewise with the shares in the club, although the market price may be around 27p, those with shares to sell may believe that they have embarked on a plan that will return the price to a higher level in 6 months to a year, so they would not necessarily sell at the market price.

 

So to do a deal in today's market, all the indicators point to the fact that property and business values have quite a long way left to fall, so the skill then becomes buying in the period BEFORE the fall has ended but also BEFORE other people think there is signs of "bottoming out".

 

A BIG money player (like the Property Companies in Dubai - Emaar, Nakheel etc) will look long term and plan a 3-4 year development, but they are looking at making a 50-100% profit on the cost of the investment in that time. It isn't easy to make that level of profit if you start by losing 10% of what you invested in the first 6 months...

 

In terms of "big deals" I just struggle to see where the investor value is right now as opposed to maybe after Christmas, both with Saints and with the idea of major urban renewal projects.

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Weston Saint

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The initial innvestment be in the football club alone? The rest will develop over a period of time but they will at least be in pole position.

 

The value of SLH is immaterial if a figure per share has already been agreed.

 

For those who think buying a company out of Admin is the best approach, remember that to get to that position the company is ****ed and it will take a lot longer and more costly to restore former glories

 

However, it has not happened and I am still sceptical. Everything is said to be in place, except it seems the most important ingredient, the money.

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Snowballs2

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I really cannot believe that after so many false dawns , many on here are still hoping to see a white knight ride in and rescue Saints. I would have thought that by now the penny would have dropped, who in their right mind would invest in football in England outside the Premiership ?

I see that there is speculation regarding potential development, for a plan to work, total cooperation from the City council and government planning agreement would be required.

With the applications, there is no way that anyone could forecast agreement from both parties. Individual councillors could stop applications, years of costly planning applications would be needed, I just cannot see any possibility of there being a financial return, and, we could see this affect the Saints in that developers of ambitious schemes have been known to go bust because of applications being turned down and long term financial constraints.

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OldNick

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I really cannot believe that after so many false dawns , many on here are still hoping to see a white knight ride in and rescue Saints. I would have thought that by now the penny would have dropped, who in their right mind would invest in football in England outside the Premiership ?

I see that there is speculation regarding potential development, for a plan to work, total cooperation from the City council and government planning agreement would be required.

With the applications, there is no way that anyone could forecast agreement from both parties. Individual councillors could stop applications, years of costly planning applications would be needed, I just cannot see any possibility of there being a financial return, and, we could see this affect the Saints in that developers of ambitious schemes have been known to go bust because of applications being turned down and long term financial constraints.

All you say is correct, but the things Iam hearing make somebody who is normally cynical believe something is indeed about to happpen.

Now the people I hear these things from are not the buyers/sellers/or loaners but normally are sound with their titbits.

Anyway what is wrong with being omptimistic.It adds to our colour of life

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All you say is correct, but the things Iam hearing make somebody who is normally cynical believe something is indeed about to happpen.

Now the people I hear these things from are not the buyers/sellers/or loaners but normally are sound with their titbits.

Anyway what is wrong with being omptimistic.It adds to our colour of life

 

 

Optimism breeds disappointment and extreme negativety ultimately and while I readily admit that I fall into the catagory of half empty glasses and I have never been a great believer that any person is silly enough to speculate large sums of money on a scheme that at best is a massive financial gamble. Since relegation, and the Lowe **** up of not investing after the cup final nothing good has happened to our club.

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Optimism breeds disappointment and extreme negativety ultimately and while I readily admit that I fall into the catagory of half empty glasses and I have never been a great believer that any person is silly enough to speculate large sums of money on a scheme that at best is a massive financial gamble. Since relegation, and the Lowe **** up of not investing after the cup final nothing good has happened to our club.
S o much you say again is correct.

As for the investing after the FA cup final, Philips should have done more.He perhaps was only half hearted when he joined .He never really seemed totally committed.We must also point the finger at WGS for not buying a better quality, Neil McCann FFS

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Don't think it had been - an interesting read, too. Shows that there really are things to be thankful for!

 

Quite agree. Especially that bit about 'pre-administration' for one of his companies so that he didn't have to pay creditors!

 

I would have been very unhappy to have someone with such (lack of) morals involved in our club.

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owen le saint

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I would be delighted if the takeover rumour was true.

 

However a lot of this suggests investors are keen to develop surrounding areas. I am as certain as I can be that the river wharves (Cemex/Dibles Wharf/American Quay etc) are all on long term leases from Soton City Council. All involved lease holders would have to be bought out/relocated and, if this was being looked at, the news would be all over the city.

Have not heard one scrap of info to suggest this may be happening.

May be a takeover could happen without surrounding land development. Lets hope so.

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Doesn't this Royal Pier/Mayflower Park waterfront scheme put paid to any lingering hopes any prospective SFC buyer might have had about linking a purchase of the club to any impending council initiatives to develop the waterfront area around St Mary's?

 

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image.php?id=1057429&type=fullIT is hailed as the most prestigious and important development site in Southampton, linking the city to its waterfront.

But after years of trying, the city council, landowners and developers have repeatedly failed to bring to life any vision to transform it.

Now council chiefs are once again trumpeting an exciting future for the Royal Pier district and this time the plans are bolder than ever.

They want a magnificent landmark development to transform the waterfront into an attraction that could put the city on the map and rival Portsmouth's Spinnaker tower, the Daily Echo can reveal.

And the developer chosen for the job has outlined an ambitious vision to turn the Royal Pier district into a Sydney or Valencia-style harbour with a "landmark iconic structure"

that could bring the "wow"

factor to the city.

Cabinet member for economic development, councillor Royston Smith, said: "We have told them that what we want is something that people can recognise as Southampton.We are not in competition with Spinnaker Tower but a site like this needs to be special. We want something that will put us on the map."

image.php?id=1057430&type=fullThe giant "Symbol of Southampton" proposed in 2006 Cllr Smith said: "We don't want to see something that is okay, we want something magnificent, something that is going to put Southampton on the map. I see this an opportunity to do something remarkable.

"I think it is the most important site in Southampton.

Ocean Village and Northern Above Bar are both prime locations but this is going to be our landmark development."

Scottish-based Kilmartin is working on a masterplan to create a worldclass waterfront around Royal Pier and Mayflower Park, worth more than £500m.

It says it could feature two hotels, flagship offices fit for the headquarters of a global firm, niche marine shops, bars, restaurants and the city's proposed Las Vegas-style casino.

Previous plans for at least 1,000 flats at the pier were rejected by dock owner ABP in December but the new scheme could include hundreds of homes away from ferry and port operations.

Kilmartin director Colin Banyard said the firm had been given a "a clean sheet of paper brief" but cited Sydney's Darling Harbour and the transformation of Valencia's harbour for the America's Cup sailing event, as key inspirations.We have done a tour around the world. They are good examples of how you can create an active and vibrant waterfront community; places people want to be during the day and evening - a real centrepiece for Southampton.

"This is the only opportunity to pull Southampton down to the waterfront."

Mr Banyard said there was demand for two hotels, both two and four stars, due to the "meteoric rise" of the cruise industry in Southampton.

And he revealed Kilmartin would be making a "strong representation" to the council to anchor the casino at Royal Pier.

"We have certainly talked to one operator and are aware of several others that would be keen to talk to us," he said.

He said Kilmartin had worked with US gaming giant Ameristar to bring a supercasino to Southampton until the Government decided the city was not the best location.

It was instead awarded a licence for a "large casino" with 140 slot machines which could bring 350 jobs and £10m to the local economy.

Valencia_and_Darling_harbour.jpg Mr Banyard said he shared councillors' ambitions to create a destination attraction.

He said: "Very tall landmark buildings are extremely costly.

"I absolutely agree some kind of landmark iconic structure would assist the development, but we need to consult with people."

Previous proposals for a building to give the city a "wow" factor reached the pinnacle of ambition two years ago with a giant museum dubbed the "Symbol of Southampton".

Dreamt up by top London architect Bryan Avery the massive structure - shaped like the wing of the famous Supermarine Spitfire with a viewing platform - would have rivalled Portsmouth's Spinnaker Tower. But funding never came forward.

Whatever Kilmartin comes up with, many residents will be keen for remains of the derelict pier, which was destroyed by fire in 1992, to be demolished. And the developer confirmed it will look at options to remove the eyesore with a possible smaller replacement structure.

Kilmartin will also consider the reclamation of land from the seabed between the pier and Town Quay and along Mayflower Park as well as the relocation of the Red Funnel ferry terminal.

Mr Banyard said the area of the park would become bigger to provide a permanent site for the boat show and other events.

Kilmartin will work on its masterplan over the next year under an 18-month exclusivity agreement. It will involve consultation with the council, other landowners, ABP and the crown estate, as well as Business Southampton, the Southampton Heritage Foundation and the general public.

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I would be delighted if the takeover rumour was true.

 

However a lot of this suggests investors are keen to develop surrounding areas. I am as certain as I can be that the river wharves (Cemex/Dibles Wharf/American Quay etc) are all on long term leases from Soton City Council. All involved lease holders would have to be bought out/relocated and, if this was being looked at, the news would be all over the city.

Have not heard one scrap of info to suggest this may be happening.

May be a takeover could happen without surrounding land development. Lets hope so.

 

As far as I understand it, the Fulthorpe bid, at least, does not include plans to undertake such development.

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I believe their long term plans do include such an undertaking.

 

As for the Trousers report, Kilmartin would probably not be funding any such development by themselves, so who is??[/quote]

 

Anil Ambani???? . If only.

 

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Excuse my ignorance (just this once) but how can a thread about people being 'ITK' (i.e. receiving text messages) about why Leon Crouch was at the game tonight and why Lowe and Wilde weren't (the implication being they were 'elsewhere' tieing up some loose ends on a certain "deal") not be "relevant".....??

 

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Excuse my ignorance (just this once) but how can a thread about people being 'ITK' (i.e. receiving text messages) about why Leon Crouch was at the game tonight and why Lowe and Wilde weren't (the implication being they were 'elsewhere' tieing up some loose ends on a certain "deal") not be "relevant".....??

 

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Because the thread was people scoring points against / slagging off Lowe & Wilde and ended up a slanging match

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saint lard

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Perhaps the person was looking towards another football club,let's say Newcastle for arguments sake,and has been for sometime,that now has not come to fruition for whatever reason, perhaps Shearer turned down the mangerial position and that was the deal breaker ;) coupled with other stumbling blocks.

 

So now he turns his eye to another club,SFC perhaps,not such a initial outlay of funds,not that should really be a concern,plus perhaps the developement of areas and a Yachty connection could be far more an exciting and viable option.....oh and Shearer would be willing to take his first steps into coaching/management;).

 

Anil Ambani was the person i was alluding to in this post last night.

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Anil Ambani was the person i was alluding to in this post last night.

 

He fell out with his even richer brother a few years ago....they are always trying to out do eachother....perhaps that could work to our advantage one way or the other.....

 

IMHO of course.

 

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