doddisalegend Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Intresting interview on the O/S with dean usual rallying call, but the interesting bits for me are on AP http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2143117,00.html "the desicion was taken by the club it had nothing to do with the players" "It was a suprise after the result at the Bristol game" strange comments given the rumours about the players wanting AP out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Intresting interview on the O/S with dean usual rallying call, but the interesting bits for me are on AP http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2143117,00.html "the desicion was taken by the club it had nothing to do with the players" "It was a suprise after the result at the Bristol game" strange comments given the rumours about the players wanting AP out. Depends if the comments are his personal views or whether, as captain in particular, he is towing the party line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthamSteve Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Hmmm, he's not going to say "the players forced him out we're all a bit like that so the next manager better watch himself" is he? As much as I thing Deano is an honest chap, he's also not a stupid one. So to me, there is nothing in that interview at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Might be worthy of note - on Tuesday I saw Hammond have a massive rant at Fonte after their 2nd goal went in. Fonte was not happy and squared up to Hammond but then calmed down. It was over in a flash, however it stayed with me because I've rarely seen Hammond have a go like that since he was made Captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Of course the decision was made by the club. Players can't sack a manager. This doesn't affect the rumours being true or false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 September, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Hmmm, he's not going to say "the players forced him out we're all a bit like that so the next manager better watch himself" is he? As much as I thing Deano is an honest chap, he's also not a stupid one. So to me, there is nothing in that interview at all. Or prehaps the rumours aren't true? of course then NC doesn't come out looking to good so we better just assume they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 (edited) What happened was bound to have an effect on the players, whether the rumours have substance or not. DH is going to toe the line and rightly so, he is not going to say what happened, if anything, nor is he going to knock DW. We as suporters have our role to play, we must get behind the team and not chant AP songs! Edited 3 September, 2010 by Ian the Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 The golden rule that everybody on here should know by now is that if a player says something you agree with it is true but if you don't agree or it doesn't fit your argument he was forced to say it. It's pretty simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 September, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Of course the decision was made by the club. Players can't sack a manager. This doesn't affect the rumours being true or false. which begs the question why say it in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthamSteve Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Or prehaps the rumours aren't true? of course then NC doesn't come out looking to good so we better just assume they are. You've missed my point ....... to me, there is nothing in that interview at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Might be worthy of note - on Tuesday I saw Hammond have a massive rant at Fonte after their 2nd goal went in. Fonte was not happy and squared up to Hammond but then calmed down. It was over in a flash, however it stayed with me because I've rarely seen Hammond have a go like that since he was made Captain. Yeah I saw that. Gave him a right mouthful! I guess they were just feeling as **** as I was sat there watching that dross. Although, the players definately seemed ****ed off as Harding seemed stroppy and had a go at the ball boy. If looks could kill that ball boy would be, well.. dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 September, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Yeah I saw that. Gave him a right mouthful! I guess they were just feeling as **** as I was sat there watching that dross. Although, the players definately seemed ****ed off as Harding seemed stroppy and had a go at the ball boy. If looks could kill that ball boy would be, well.. dead. Then there was Barnard he is usually pretty pumped up but.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Or prehaps the rumours aren't true? of course then NC doesn't come out looking to good so we better just assume they are. Or alternatively we might as well presume the rumours aren't true, so NC can continue to look like the devil incarnate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Or alternatively we might as well presume the rumours aren't true, so NC can continue to look like the devil incarnate. Or vice versa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Yeah I saw that. Gave him a right mouthful! I guess they were just feeling as **** as I was sat there watching that dross. Although, the players definately seemed ****ed off as Harding seemed stroppy and had a go at the ball boy. If looks could kill that ball boy would be, well.. dead. Yeah i saw that, although i did think it was between Hammond and Jaidi to pick up Austin... at the time i thought it was Jaidi's mistake and wondered why Fonte was shouting at Hammond and not Jaidi who really made Fonte's job hard Tuesday. Harding is always a stroppy c*nt anyways, lost count the amount of times he loses his temper at 5 year old ball boys or other players. As for Barnard, he was sent for studs up, not the little scuffle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Or vice versa? Well yeah thats what i was getting at. It depends on your perspective of the NC thing. Personally he has made some p*ss poor decisions (Photo Ban) and the payment plan not being communicated. I can't help but think there would not be so much animosity if he actually came out and spoke about the reasons behind some of his 'ideas'. For me he doesn't deserve quite as much vitriol as he gets. As for the Pardew situation, the fact it has been badly planned leads me to believe some sort of incident, somewhere happened, hell it could have been that NC and Pards had a spat or it could be the training ground incident we just don't know. I just think that with Cortese's background i would imagine if he 'planned' to get rid of a vital member of staff he would have a replacement all but ready, that fact he hasn't speaks volumes. Add this to the fact that Pardew has a lot of previous to do with falling out at clubs for one reason or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Hammond has pretty much said that there was no problem with Pardew. I find it hard to believe Cortese would ditch the manager he wants because he "approached" some tart, doesn't really fit with his "win at any cost" style. And the drinking club sackings just sound like made up nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 I really dont think we need to over analyse every word of every statement. It was just the usual rallying call from a captain that most clubs churn out after a bit of upheavel. Nothing more nothing less and just states the bleeding obvious. No one is going to come out saying everyone hated Pardew and wanted him out or everyone loved him and are devestated he has gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 I really dont think we need to over analyse every word of every statement. It was just the usual rallying call from a captain that most clubs churn out after a bit of upheavel. Nothing more nothing less and just states the bleeding obvious. No one is going to come out saying everyone hated Pardew and wanted him out or everyone loved him and are devestated he has gone. True, also don't assume there is any truth in rumours posted on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Yeah I saw that. Gave him a right mouthful! I guess they were just feeling as **** as I was sat there watching that dross. Although, the players definately seemed ****ed off as Harding seemed stroppy and had a go at the ball boy. If looks could kill that ball boy would be, well.. dead. he does that every game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 I'm a big fan of Harding's footballing abilities, but someone needs to take him aside over screaming at ballboys. What is his beef? That they don't get the ball to him fast enough for a quick throw-in? He needs to calm down. If he screamed at my son, I'd not be happy. Every ball boy is someone's son (I assume). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 I'm a big fan of Harding's footballing abilities, but someone needs to take him aside over screaming at ballboys. What is his beef? That they don't get the ball to him fast enough for a quick throw-in? He needs to calm down. If he screamed at my son, I'd not be happy. Every ball boy is someone's son (I assume). Absolutely. Cant believe that this habit is just accepted by management, or indeed by the fans sitting near the incident. I felt like having a go at him for yelling at the poor kid tuesday. I saw nothing wrong with the throw of the ball by the ball boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 I really dont think we need to over analyse every word of every statement. It was just the usual rallying call from a captain that most clubs churn out after a bit of upheavel. Nothing more nothing less and just states the bleeding obvious. No one is going to come out saying everyone hated Pardew and wanted him out or everyone loved him and are devestated he has gone. No, no, no. You must come down one side or the other with a strong view based on prejudice and supposition. It would also help if you had a mate or two to speak to who knows a steward. That's just the way things are done, ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 he behaved like an arse on Tuesday and clearly didn't want to try to make it work with Guly. If we don't need Dickson for LM on Saturday I would drop Harding to remind him it is a team game and to treat young saints better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 It's amusing that people demonise Cortese as a all seeing control freak, that has been engineering a smear campaign against Pardew with rumours around a players revolt, but who would seemingly allow the team captain to use the official site to reject these claims. Damn baby eater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 What happened was bound to have an effect on the players, whether the rumours have substance or not. DH is going to toe the line and rightly so, he is not going to say what happened, if anything, nor is he going to knock DW. We as suporters have our role to play, we must get behind the team and not chant AP songs! This is a very good idea, if the the team are still a little unsettled by all this, AP chants (whether justified or not) wont help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 I don't think Hammond has a problem with Pardew, as he's probably one of the few managers that actaully rates him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 "the decision was taken by the club it had nothing to do with the players" This is the team captain going on the record denying that there was any major player revolt. I give this a lot more credence than the rumours which indicated that was the main reason for dismissal. It also is in line with the players reaction in the Swindon game where they were clearly not overjoyed to see the back of Pardew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Well yeah thats what i was getting at. It depends on your perspective of the NC thing. Personally he has made some p*ss poor decisions (Photo Ban) and the payment plan not being communicated. I can't help but think there would not be so much animosity if he actually came out and spoke about the reasons behind some of his 'ideas'. For me he doesn't deserve quite as much vitriol as he gets. Cortese has made enough mistakes in his decisions and their communication that we should not be surprised to see a similar mess around the AP+ coaches sackings. He is an inexperienced business manager floundering around. His background as a banker was not what you need in a business manager. Let alone the Leader of a Company. I would not have hired him to run a dept at SMS let alone be the CEO/Chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 "the decision was taken by the club it had nothing to do with the players" This is the team captain going on the record denying that there was any major player revolt. No. This is the team captain going on record saying "the decision was taken by the club and at the end of the day its nothing to to do with the players because we are employed to play football". It says nothing one way or the other about the reasons for Pardews dismissal, just as you'd expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 No. This is the team captain going on record saying "the decision was taken by the club and at the end of the day its nothing to to do with the players because we are employed to play football". It says nothing one way or the other about the reasons for Pardews dismissal, just as you'd expect. Are you saying that Hammond is misleading us by saying that it was nothing to do with the players? Or that the Team Captain is out of touch with most of his team mates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Are you saying that Hammond is misleading us by saying that it was nothing to do with the players? Or that the Team Captain is out of touch with most of his team mates? Can you not read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilza Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 he behaved like an arse on Tuesday and clearly didn't want to try to make it work with Guly. If we don't need Dickson for LM on Saturday I would drop Harding to remind him it is a team game and to treat young saints better. This isn't the right thread for it really but surely you are kidding? Drop Harding because he had a moan at ball boys? Maybe he wanted to keep a high tempo going and the ball boy was half asleep, at least next time he'll be ready! As for didn't want to make it work with Guly, it seemed as much the other round to me, Guly seemed to throw his hands up and be gesturing every time he wasn't passed the ball. Still I suppose when you're signed by Cortese you expect to get the ball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 like I said on the other thread, the current player and ex player I asked, both laughed and said it was all a load of tosh, and hammond seems to be confirming that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 like I said on the other thread, the current player and ex player I asked, both laughed and said it was all a load of tosh, and hammond seems to be confirming that buctootim is struggling to understand this. At least you grasp the meaning of the team captain's statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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