Cortese Is Being Unfairly Treated

[Jeff Le Taxi]

As far as i can see we were being held to ransom by the Scunny Chairman who severely inflated his compensation expectations be cause he heard we were worth a bit! Adkins is NO WAY worth the half million being quoted! Some of you need reminding Cortese is on OUR side, where would we be without him? I hope to god he doesnt read this forum!

[Saintandy666]

Exactly my thoughts. There is no point splashing stupid money.

[St.Patrik]

OK - why dont he tell us why he sacked Pardew then? If he tells the fans stuff we might understand his actions?

[saintmonkey1979]

OK - why dont he tell us why he sacked Pardew then? If he tells the fans stuff we might understand his actions?

 

Dignity at work.

[fish fingers]

OK - why dont he tell us why he sacked Pardew then? If he tells the fans stuff we might understand his actions?

 

Could be numerous reasons right now. For all we know as it was a sacking they may end up in court.

[buctootim]

Why isn't he worth 500k? I'd have hoped Cortese's first choice would be worth 500k to us.

because hes on around £150,000pa on a 12 month contract - which makes max compensation £150,000? just a thought.

[Topcat]

Yes and there is no ban on media photographers, the ST by monthly payments are still allowed, Illingsworth has a ST from us and we all believe in fairies and father xmas.

[Jeff Le Taxi]

because hes on around £150,000pa on a 12 month contract - which makes max compensation £150,000? just a thought.

 

THIS, and believe it or not the Scunny fans are saying the same thing! maybe £200,000 for backroom staff and good grace!

[Tony F]

As far as i can see we were being held to ransom by the Scunny Chairman who severely inflated his compensation expectations be cause he heard we were worth a bit! Adkins is NO WAY worth the half million being quoted! Some of you need reminding Cortese is on OUR side, where would we be without him? I hope to god he doesnt read this forum!

 

Probably just indicates that the Scunny chairman didn't want to lose his "star manager" and pricing us out was about the only influence he could bring to bear. Sound approach I reckon - if I were a Scunny fan I'd be pleased with that.

[exit2]

Sorry but he has made countless errors and this is one to add to the list. Like I have said before forget the compensation issue as that could have resolved at tribunal

 

just like when Lambert went to Norwich

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/colchester_united/8370578.stm

 

as for half a million pound well thats ********

[merrimd]

Sorry but he has made countless errors and this is one to add to the list. Like I have said before forget the compensation issue as that could have resolved at tribunal

 

just like when Lambert went to Norwich

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/colchester_united/8370578.stm

 

as for half a million pound well thats ********

 

Ok, so what, exactly, is his 'error' this time?

[Block 5]

I think there's comes a point when the lack of info becomes the criticism in itself. On too many subjects we've had to say 'well we don't know the truth' and just make assumptions or argue the ifs and buts based on rumour or zero information.

 

[Jeff Le Taxi]

The sooner people on this forum realise Cortese is an astute businessman with OUR common interest at heart the better, and that goes for jumped up northern monkey chairmen too!

If we kept on paying inflated prices because Cortese was a chump we'd soon not be a viable business and we'd end up like the blue few down the road!

Mr Cortese needs to be applauded! not driven away FFS

 

Rant Over.

[FMPR]

because hes on around £150,000pa on a 12 month contract - which makes max compensation £150,000? just a thought.

 

The value of a manager is down to the club who is selling. Exactly the same with players unless they have an agreed release clause

[Give it to Ron]

The sooner people on this forum realise Cortese is an astute businessman with OUR common interest at heart the better, and that goes for jumped up northern monkey chairmen too!

If we kept on paying inflated prices because Cortese was a chump we'd soon not be a viable business and we'd end up like the blue few down the road!

Mr Cortese needs to be applauded! not driven away FFS

 

Rant Over.

 

Were you saying the same when we got Burley's comp?

[derry]

Yes and there is no ban on media photographers, the ST by monthly payments are still allowed, Illingsworth has a ST from us and we all believe in fairies and father xmas.

 

THIS, and believe it or not the Scunny fans are saying the same thing! maybe £200,000 for backroom staff and good grace!

 

Adkins' contract had a finite compensation liability if Cortese didn't want to pay more than that one way of resolving an impasse was for Adkin to resign and force the issue. Clearly after 14 years at S****horpe he wasn't prepared to do this. Losing his manager wasn't attractive to their chairman so he put a value on him that wasn't acceptable to SFC.

 

Where this whole matter became unsavoury was the willingness of S****horpe to talk to the press whilst negotiations were ongoing. To his credit Cortese never ever comments, so we know this debacle didn't come from us. Time to move on.

[dune]

In this instance I have no complaints with Corteses handling of things so far, because the situation is fluid and none of us know the ins and outs. That said if we end up with Phil brown I won't be amused.

[buctootim]

Sorry but he has made countless errors and this is one to add to the list. Like I have said before forget the compensation issue as that could have resolved at tribunal

 

just like when Lambert went to Norwich

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/colchester_united/8370578.stm

 

as for half a million pound well thats ********

 

Oh how I miss those days when you tried to squash anyone who expressed doubts over the Pinnacle bid

[manji]

The sooner people on this forum realise Cortese is an astute businessman with OUR common interest at heart the better, and that goes for jumped up northern monkey chairmen too!

If we kept on paying inflated prices because Cortese was a chump we'd soon not be a viable business and we'd end up like the blue few down the road!

Mr Cortese needs to be applauded! not driven away FFS

 

Rant Over.

 

Well said.

[saintmonkey1979]

Were you saying the same when we got Burley's comp?

 

Wha does this have to do with Cortese? Burley's compensation was the same ideal as is happening here, that both parties are trying to get the best deal for their respective clubs. Only difference is that we didn't try to have the SFA's trousers down over it as Scunny appear to be trying on us.

[simo]

Get behind cortese ffs!

[Gator]

success comes with tough and sometimes unpopular decisions. Football is a business and not a popularity contest!

[derry]

The value of a manager is down to the club who is selling. Exactly the same with players unless they have an agreed release clause

 

We don't need lectures from PCFC supporters on the ethics of doing things properly. After paying massively over the odds while defrauding the treasury then defaulting on approximately £100m is hardly the best place to start from when making knowall statements on here.

[Teddy Nutkins]

We don't need lectures from PCFC supporters on the ethics of doing things properly. After paying massively over the odds while defrauding the treasury then defaulting on approximately £100m is hardly the best place to start from when making knowall statements on here.

 

Calm down Dave...............think of your blood pressure.........fwiw your so right.

[Jeff Le Taxi]

Were you saying the same when we got Burley's comp?

 

What precisely does this have to do with Cortese?

[derry]

Sorry but he has made countless errors and this is one to add to the list. Like I have said before forget the compensation issue as that could have resolved at tribunal

 

just like when Lambert went to Norwich

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/colchester_united/8370578.stm

 

as for half a million pound well thats ********

 

Only if Adkins was prepared to resign, which he wasn't.

[Flyer]

The sooner people on this forum realise Cortese is an astute businessman with OUR common interest at heart the better, and that goes for jumped up northern monkey chairmen too!

If we kept on paying inflated prices because Cortese was a chump we'd soon not be a viable business and we'd end up like the blue few down the road!

Mr Cortese needs to be applauded! not driven away FFS

 

Rant Over.

Briatore was an astute businessman, it didnt stop him making QPR a laughing stock, interfering with team selection, alienating fans, refusing to pay compensation and then only being left with options like Dowie or Hart.

 

If anything, Cortese is worse than Briatore and it will get to a point where no half decent manager will work with him. Football is not like other businesses, you cant run your club like a tyrant because you will be blackballed.

 

QPR only started to recover once Briatore was ousted. Same goes for Saints and Cortese.

[Wurzel]

At the end of the day did we approach S****horpe and ask if we could have their manager? Or did their manager hear that we had a vacancy and decided to apply for the job?. Based on stories of around 50 applicants there would be no need for the former, so assuming it was the latter then it was up to him to end his previous employment before he could accept the position with us. So no compensation due.

 

Go Nico, we're the ones playing the strong hand, no need to cave in for anyone.

[derry]

Calm down Dave...............think of your blood pressure.........fwiw your so right.

 

Hi Colin 115/75, cool as a cucumber, I think Cortese needs to either pay what they ask or move on, which looks like what's happened.

[MarkSFC]

because hes on around £150,000pa on a 12 month contract - which makes max compensation £150,000? just a thought.

 

Exactly!

 

I don't believe it's that we didn't meet their value more that Wharton didn't want Adkins to leave and tried to either get more compensation or make sure we didn't get him.

 

Cortese is acting differently to what we have been used to but IMO he is extremely clever, astute and professional. Football hasn't been a very sound business for decades, maybe Cortese is the visionary changing all that very slowly but surely and the establishment dint like it. What a shame!

 

Go Nicola!!!!

[Give it to Ron]

Wha does this have to do with Cortese? Burley's compensation was the same ideal as is happening here, that both parties are trying to get the best deal for their respective clubs. Only difference is that we didn't try to have the SFA's trousers down over it as Scunny appear to be trying on us.

 

I initially posted that in response to believing that we wanted Adkins to resign without paying the compo and there was a bit in the OS posting about permissions that I feel is a bit odd? why include that when Scunny stated we had been given permission?

Now there are so many stories coming out ...the latest being from BBC about him going home that who knows what to believe.

 

I certainly do not trust Cortese 100% - I realise what his objectives are but am worried by the way he does this.

In football you need contacts, relationships and good will how else will you buy/sell or loan if you have p1ssed everyone off.

Perhaps the Scunny chairman has played a blinder here and kept his manager?

[saintmonkey1979]

Exactly!

 

I don't believe it's that we didn't meet their value more that Wharton didn't want Adkins to leave and tried to either get more compensation or make sure we didn't get him.

 

Cortese is acting differently to what we have been used to but IMO he is extremely clever, astute and professional. Football hasn't been a very sound business for decades, maybe Cortese is the visionary changing all that very slowly but surely and the establishment dint like it. What a shame!

 

Go Nicola!!!!

 

This is the way I'm seeing it too.

[Ian the Red]

The sooner people on this forum realise Cortese is an astute businessman with OUR common interest at heart the better, and that goes for jumped up northern monkey chairmen too!

If we kept on paying inflated prices because Cortese was a chump we'd soon not be a viable business and we'd end up like the blue few down the road!

Mr Cortese needs to be applauded! not driven away FFS

 

Rant Over.

 

Exactly right!

 

Briatore was an astute businessman, it didnt stop him making QPR a laughing stock, interfering with team selection, alienating fans, refusing to pay compensation and then only being left with options like Dowie or Hart.

 

If anything, Cortese is worse than Briatore and it will get to a point where no half decent manager will work with him. Football is not like other businesses, you cant run your club like a tyrant because you will be blackballed.

 

QPR only started to recover once Briatore was ousted. Same goes for Saints and Cortese.

 

No one has any proof of whether NC is picking the team. I doubt it, he is not that stupid. No one knows why AP was sacked, there must have been significant reason to do so. Scunny Chairman makes a statement people believe, SFC makes a statement no one believes. Sorry which team do you support? NC is a proven businessman let him get on with the job. As usual a few make unfounded statements and many believe!

[daveygwyatt]

As far as i can see we were being held to ransom by the Scunny Chairman who severely inflated his compensation expectations be cause he heard we were worth a bit! Adkins is NO WAY worth the half million being quoted! Some of you need reminding Cortese is on OUR side, where would we be without him? I hope to god he doesnt read this forum!

 

I agree

[saintmonkey1979]

Exactly right!

 

 

 

No one has any proof of whether NC is picking the team. I doubt it, he is not that stupid. No one knows why AP was sacked, there must have been significant reason to do so. Scunny Chairman makes a statement people believe, SFC makes a statement no one believes. Sorry which team do you support? NC is a proven businessman let him get on with the job. As usual a few make unfounded statements and many believe!

 

Agree completely

[alpine_saint]

As far as i can see we were being held to ransom by the Scunny Chairman who severely inflated his compensation expectations be cause he heard we were worth a bit! Adkins is NO WAY worth the half million being quoted! Some of you need reminding Cortese is on OUR side, where would we be without him? I hope to god he doesnt read this forum!

 

Nope, I am fed up with him.

 

He's lost me. Nearly 2 weeks on and we are still managerless.

 

I am sure he doesnt give a sh*t about that anyway.

[Norm]

Briatore was an astute businessman, it didnt stop him making QPR a laughing stock, interfering with team selection, alienating fans, refusing to pay compensation and then only being left with options like Dowie or Hart.

 

If anything, Cortese is worse than Briatore and it will get to a point where no half decent manager will work with him. Football is not like other businesses, you cant run your club like a tyrant because you will be blackballed.

 

QPR only started to recover once Briatore was ousted. Same goes for Saints and Cortese.

 

 

 

 

Stand by for flack from the 'Rose tinted specs' brigade.

 

I have no idea if NC is an asshole or the most wonderful chairman in football. My view, fwiw, is that we offered Adkins the position. He accepted. Adkins had a compensation figure of £? written into his contract. SFC offered Scunny less than that figure. Scunny refused. Adkins was invited to resign by SFC and then the two clubs go to tribunal to fight over compensation. He refused (rightly in my view) for whatever reason (could it be he wanted to look after his 'old' club). End of negations. We (SFC) move to the next target.

 

Adkins= History. Move on.

[Ian the Red]

Nope, I am fed up with him.

 

He's lost me. Nearly 2 weeks on and we are still managerless.

 

I am sure he doesnt give a sh*t about that anyway.

 

Villa took how long to replace MoN? 3 weeks? This has to right for the club, he must appoint the right person. Like you I would rather it was sooner than later, but as long as we get the right man........

[norwaysaint]

OK - why dont he tell us why he sacked Pardew then? If he tells the fans stuff we might understand his actions?

 

Exactly, until he unprofessionally divulges information we don't have any right to, I think we should make up lots of rumours and then obstinately believe them. Then we should use them as weight in the argument that he is doing a bad job.

 

We should also believe everything the S****horpe chairman says as he has no vested interest in this at all.

[sperm_john]

team cortese ...go team!

[buctootim]

Nope, I am fed up with him.

 

He's lost me. Nearly 2 weeks on and we are still managerless.

 

I am sure he doesnt give a sh*t about that anyway.

 

Its 10 days Alps. No doubt if he had appointed before that you would have condemned him for rushing things (unless you happened to like the appointment).

[JackFrost]

when bad things now happen to Saints, it is all too easy to point the finger at Cortese immediately without any proof just because people haven't agreed with some of his previous decisions (without knowing all of, if any of the facts). In tough times it is far easier to become opinionated than to keep an open mind.

 

I think Cortese has made some poor decisions but I can't see he is at fault at all concerning Adkins.

 

Just hope we can get someone in before the weekend, and give the players a breath of fresh air with a new manager.

[Give it to Ron]

Stand by for flack from the 'Rose tinted specs' brigade.

 

I have no idea if NC is an asshole or the most wonderful chairman in football. My view, fwiw, is that we offered Adkins the position. He accepted. Adkins had a compensation figure of £? written into his contract. SFC offered Scunny less than that figure. Scunny refused. Adkins was invited to resign by SFC and then the two clubs go to tribunal to fight over compensation. He refused (rightly in my view) for whatever reason (could it be he wanted to look after his 'old' club). End of negations. We (SFC) move to the next target.

 

Adkins= History. Move on.

 

 

But the problem with that is it flies in the face of the OS:

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2148505,00.html

 

Southampton Football Club ("the Club") wishes to make clear that it is continuing its discussions with a number of potential candidates for the post of First Team Manager.

 

Contrary to some highly misleading comments published this morning, the Club has made no ultimatums, has not made any approaches without appropriate permissions, and is fully aware that appropriate compensation payments become due where the candidate managers are currently under contract. The Club has acted in an entirely professional manner and will continue to do so.

[Saint in Paradise]

Hi Derry, Teddy, Weston and the other 3 ( sorry guys can't remember your sign in names ) that I met Tuesday. Thanks for meeting me I really enjoyed it.

[dune]

He's lost me.

 

I am sure he doesnt give a sh*t about that anyway.

 

I'm sure you're right.

[Red]

OK - why dont he tell us why he sacked Pardew then? If he tells the fans stuff we might understand his actions?

 

Good God how many times???? Read the official announcement - AP was not on board with the long term plan that NC/SFC have, and the overall development (youth delopment etc.). Reason for exact timing is not known, but then you cannot expect every minute detail - anyway it maybe subject to confidentiality and leagal issues on both sides (don't see Ap spilling the beans if he was so hard done by?).

 

Whether one chooses to believe SFC official versions is up to them - not sure where it gets them however? But reasons have been given.

[JackFrost]

But the problem with that is it flies in the face of the OS:

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2148505,00.html

 

Southampton Football Club ("the Club") wishes to make clear that it is continuing its discussions with a number of potential candidates for the post of First Team Manager.

 

Contrary to some highly misleading comments published this morning, the Club has made no ultimatums, has not made any approaches without appropriate permissions, and is fully aware that appropriate compensation payments become due where the candidate managers are currently under contract. The Club has acted in an entirely professional manner and will continue to do so.

 

keyword there is "appropriate"

[exit2]

Ok, so what, exactly, is his 'error' this time?

 

I just think he should have handled it better ie not demanded his resignation etc etc, other managerial changes at other clubs can do it so why cant we

[S-Clarke]

I just think he should have handled it better ie not demanded his resignation etc etc, other managerial changes at other clubs can do it so why cant we

 

Spot on.

 

It's happening time and time again, his intentions are good, but the way he handles things show inexperience and it worries me.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Adkins' contract had a finite compensation liability if Cortese didn't want to pay more than that one way of resolving an impasse was for Adkin to resign and force the issue. Clearly after 14 years at S****horpe he wasn't prepared to do this. Losing his manager wasn't attractive to their chairman so he put a value on him that wasn't acceptable to SFC.

 

Where this whole matter became unsavoury was the willingness of S****horpe to talk to the press whilst negotiations were ongoing. To his credit Cortese never ever comments, so we know this debacle didn't come from us. Time to move on.

 

This. Delighted that Cortese has a pair and operates in a proper professional manner, even though this runs against the grain of the old-school croakers in the UK game.