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SaintRichmond

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Us British are World Champions at ONE thing

 

Getting a Good thing and Ripping it to shreds

 

We now have a wave of Kr*p doing the rounds about Southampton Football Club, and Nicola Cortese in particular

 

May I respectfully remind everyone of something ??

 

Friday 20th August 2010. Statement From Nicola Cortese, posted on the OS, and copied elsewhere

 

READ IT, and then READ IT AGAIN

 

Does it not convey the message that things WILL continue as before, in line with Wishes of Markus Leibherr ?????

 

My message to everybody is very simple

 

If you want what we now have to be destroyed, then just carry on with all the stupid Speculation, because over a period of time, that is EXACTLY what you will achieve

 

I Believed Markus Leibherr

 

I Believe Nicola Cortese

 

I Believe in Southampton Football Club

 

DON'T RUIN IT WITH THE BRITISN DISEASE

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Dr Who?

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I think most people find it very hard to believe what a chairman says these days. Also I would not be suprised if the club was sold at some point in the next couple of years.

 

Football Club give all sorts of spill to the fans to keep them happy. I really hope I am wrong and that they are 100% behind the 5 year plan, but I just do not see it anymore.

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Sell the club? Who would buy it. A decent enough club but relatively small fan base compared to the cost of running it and getting it back up the divisions to the premiership

 

There is no market for football clubs

 

Yes but clubs at all levels are put up for sale. We have a bigger fan base than most, and a stadium and no debt. There are not many clubs with a set up like ours and it is an attractive club, where if someone was willing to put in a little bit of money they could see the good times return.

 

I think it would need to be someone who's heart was in the club though.

 

Of course I could be wide of the mark, and the current owners may not even be thinking this. As it has been said Marcus had his dream and they may want to carry that out!

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Good OP. Getting so tired of people making up crap to suit there own agendas, moaning about advertising boards, slagging off the chairman who is partly responsible for stopping the club going out of business, booing our own players (Puncheon), clapping the opposition (James) etc. The list goes on. There really are some ****ing mongs that 'support' our team, who I think would still find something to moan about if we were top of the league! Rant over!!

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Is the British disease removing a Manager with one of the best win ratio's in the Club's 125 year history to improve co-operation with another dept?One of the things Britain has a proud history in doing is standing up to dictators be they Hitler, Napoleon or King John.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

 

Thats called efficiency and happens in British business all the time!

 

Dictatorship my foot !

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Cortese is not our Saviour, surely it has to be all about making money for him, not philanthropy

 

Of course it is about making money, isn't that what we all go to work for? What's the easiest way for Cortese to make that money - to have a succcessful team and get promoted to the Premier League. I don't have any problem with that!

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I think it's easy for Cortese to say things like that, he has only had involvement with Saints for 15 months

 

The rest of us have had our hearts in the club since we could walk

 

7 years ago we were 8th in PL and in the FA Cup Final - our demise has been pretty spectacular & who can blame fans for getting disillusioned when we seem to turn a corner, but then go backwards

 

This is my gripe with Cortese, and it's the reason why comparisons with him and Rupert are valid - neither of them understands the mentality of being a football supporter

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Cortese is not our Saviour, surely it has to be all about making money for him, not philanthropy

 

You are so wrong here - have you seen what even the half decent bankers are earning in bonuses again???? NC could earn a shed laod more in his previous role, and without all this crap to go with it !!!!!!

 

I know - let's go back to the old leadership team and be happy watching a great team in the BSL - except we would still be struggling because there would be no money at all !

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SaintRichmond

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Is the British disease removing a Manager with one of the best win ratio's in the Club's 125 year history to improve co-operation with another dept?

One of the things Britain has a proud history in doing is standing up to dictators be they Hitler, Napoleon or King John.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

 

No, that is NOT the British Disease

 

But you seem to ignore a major thing. The REASON why Pardew was "removed"

 

Do you know what that was ??? NO, no-one does, but it must have been serious enough for Cortese to do it WITHOUT having anyone lined up

 

Whatever you may think of Cortese, that act would have been out of character to a very Logical Businessman

 

You may think whatever you wish, but are you in a position to swear it on the Bible ??? NO, no-one can. For example, what about the much touted "rumour" that Pardew had applied for the West Ham job ???

 

Get your head around the fact that we DON'T OWN Southampto Football Club, the Leibherr Family does, and Cortese is the appointed CEO

 

Does YOUR Boss do things sometimes that you do not agree with ?? Do you write to him to brand him a Dictator ???

 

You are wrong in likening calling Cortese to a Dictator, but that is certainly the sort of language that would, over a period of time P*SS anyone off. Big Time

 

NOW is the time for UNITY, for the SAINTS

 

Nothing else matters at present

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some of you loons really crack me up.

 

within the same post it is "cortese is a great businessman" and then "i hope he doesn't read this forum, this sort of criticism will scare him off"

 

complelely contradictary viewpoints, if he is such a good business man there is no way reading what a few fans think will make any difference to him. I actually think he couldnt care less what the fans think.

 

and even if the Liebherr's OWN the club, it still remains that the FANS are the club as without us there is nothing.

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What always amazes me is how naive some fans seem to be.

 

Why would NC have anything but the best interests of Southampton FC at heard ESPECIALLY at a time when he's lost one of his closest friends whereby Southampton FC meant so much to ML.

 

Sometimes it's wiser to say less than more, I believe NC is very much that kind of man.

 

For the gossipers on here it's a shame as we no have lots to talk about, however as a fan I'm much happier to see things this way....it shouts PROFESSIONALISM and a refreshing change to past regimes at Saints.

 

Time to be the Saints, through thick and thin....we'll get where we want to be, it'll just take time...

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But you seem to ignore a major thing. The REASON why Pardew was "removed"

Do you know what that was ??? NO, no-one does, but it must have been serious enough for Cortese to do it WITHOUT having anyone lined up

The Press statement was quite clear that he and the other 2 coaches had to go to improve co-operation with Les Reed's dept. Or was the Press statement lying?

 

Whatever you may think of Cortese, that act would have been out of character to a very Logical Businessman.

What other illogical acts have we seen from Cortese? Banning media from taking photos, Banning the Saints Trust Chairman from a ST, Ending a payment scheme for STs without explanation, Installing car park charges for supporters going to away games etc etc All petty stupid actions that were also badly communicated. How many examples of illogical acts do you want?

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If you want what we now have to be destroyed, then just carry on with all the stupid Speculation, because over a period of time, that is EXACTLY what you will achieve

 

So you actually believe that if Cortese reads enough speculation, he changes his mind and does what we speculate!?

 

OK. I've heard from a good source that we are going to get a Premier League striker, a midfielder and a winger on loan for the rest of the season.

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Us British are World Champions at ONE thing

 

Getting a Good thing and Ripping it to shreds

 

We now have a wave of Kr*p doing the rounds about Southampton Football Club, and Nicola Cortese in particular

 

May I respectfully remind everyone of something ??

 

Friday 20th August 2010. Statement From Nicola Cortese, posted on the OS, and copied elsewhere

 

READ IT, and then READ IT AGAIN

 

Does it not convey the message that things WILL continue as before, in line with Wishes of Markus Leibherr ?????

 

My message to everybody is very simple

 

If you want what we now have to be destroyed, then just carry on with all the stupid Speculation, because over a period of time, that is EXACTLY what you will achieve

 

I Believed Markus Leibherr

 

I Believe Nicola Cortese

 

I Believe in Southampton Football Club

 

DON'T RUIN IT WITH THE BRITISN DISEASE

 

Oh for crying out loud, do we really need yet another 'Cortese is great' thread???

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May I respectfully remind everyone of something ??

 

Friday 20th August 2010. Statement From Nicola Cortese, posted on the OS, and copied elsewhere

 

READ IT, and then READ IT AGAIN

 

Does it not convey the message that things WILL continue as before, in line with Wishes of Markus Leibherr ?????

 

 

It is possible to say and mean something in one month but do something different in future months without undermining the original statement.

 

People's minds are changed by events and circumstances.

 

Just because Cortese genuinely believed in 'outcome 1' in August doesn't meen that he can't now believe in 'Outcome 2' if things have changed.

 

Not that I'm suggesting he has changed his mind. Just that it's a perfectly reasonable human trait if he has.

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The Press statement was quite clear that he and the other 2 coaches had to go to improve co-operation with Les Reed's dept. Or was the Press statement lying?

 

 

What other illogical acts have we seen from Cortese? Banning media from taking photos, Banning the Saints Trust Chairman from a ST, Ending a payment scheme for STs without explanation, Installing car park charges for supporters going to away games etc etc All petty stupid actions that were also badly communicated. How many examples of illogical acts do you want?

 

A Press statement ??? OK, I didn't realise it was a Press statement. It must be true then

 

"pretty stupid actions" In YOU opinion, but it does NOT make them illogical.

 

Whether you like it or not, or agree with it or not, it was Leibherrs stated policy very early on that SFC would be run as a Business, a profitable Business

 

I don't agree with all that has been done either, but by the same token, I'm glad we still have a CLUB not in debt to support

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The Press statement was quite clear that he and the other 2 coaches had to go to improve co-operation with Les Reed's dept. Or was the Press statement lying?

 

 

What other illogical acts have we seen from Cortese? Banning media from taking photos, Banning the Saints Trust Chairman from a ST, Ending a payment scheme for STs without explanation, Installing car park charges for supporters going to away games etc etc All petty stupid actions that were also badly communicated. How many examples of illogical acts do you want?

 

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some of you loons really crack me up.

 

and even if the Liebherr's OWN the club, it still remains that the FANS are the club as without us there is nothing.

 

Apart from the Stadium, a squad of good L1 players, membership of the FL and TV money occassionally from Murdoch. And you call other people loons LOL

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Apart from the Stadium, a squad of good L1 players, membership of the FL and TV money occassionally from Murdoch. And you call other people loons LOL

 

He's right though. Take all that away and you still have the fans, which means there will always be a club. If we'd have gone bust the fans would have made sure there would have still been a club, and while I guess it's preferable to be higher up the pyramid, it doesn't really matter what league it's in.

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Apart from the Stadium, a squad of good L1 players, membership of the FL and TV money occassionally from Murdoch. And you call other people loons LOL

It was a fair point from JRM. No fans, no club, just an empty stadium, and a handful of very expensive players to pay.

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He's right though. Take all that away and you still have the fans, which means there will always be a club. If we'd have gone bust the fans would have made sure there would have still been a club, and while I guess it's preferable to be higher up the pyramid, it doesn't really matter what league it's in.

 

Worked for the owners of Franchise FC. The fans don't have any real clout.

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He's right though. Take all that away and you still have the fans, which means there will always be a club. If we'd have gone bust the fans would have made sure there would have still been a club, and while I guess it's preferable to be higher up the pyramid, it doesn't really matter what league it's in.

 

How exactly ??? Certainly not in the Football League

 

Going bust means exactly that. You lose everything

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Their does seem to be some sort of whispering campaign against Cortese.

 

A few people have had their nose put out of joint by him. To his credit, he doesn't publicly respond to the tittle tattle bullsh*t written about him.

 

He's made mistakes, who hasn't? Hopefully he'll learn from them and take us forward.

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This whole thread is nonsense.

 

Fans speculating about the future of the club will have no effect on what happens in the future. SaintRichmond you need a reality check, if someone hears a rumour there is no harm in posting it on here.

 

I think threads like this help us to remember that 'rumour' + 'rumour' + 'rumour' does not equal 'fact'.

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Us British are World Champions at ONE thing

 

Getting a Good thing and Ripping it to shreds

 

We now have a wave of Kr*p doing the rounds about Southampton Football Club, and Nicola Cortese in particular

 

May I respectfully remind everyone of something ??

 

Friday 20th August 2010. Statement From Nicola Cortese, posted on the OS, and copied elsewhere

 

READ IT, and then READ IT AGAIN

 

Does it not convey the message that things WILL continue as before, in line with Wishes of Markus Leibherr ?????

 

My message to everybody is very simple

 

If you want what we now have to be destroyed, then just carry on with all the stupid Speculation, because over a period of time, that is EXACTLY what you will achieve

 

I Believed Markus Leibherr

 

I Believe Nicola Cortese

 

I Believe in Southampton Football Club

 

DON'T RUIN IT WITH THE BRITISN DISEASE

 

Yet another pointless, over-emotional, attention seeking thread, exactly what this forum needs!

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This whole thread is nonsense.

 

Fans speculating about the future of the club will have no effect on what happens in the future. SaintRichmond you need a reality check, if someone hears a rumour there is no harm in posting it on here.

 

I need a reality check ???

 

Now that really is funny

 

I would have thought that all the scaremongers with RUMOURS and SPECULATION are the ones who need a reality check

 

Reality means dealing in FACTS IMHO

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Their does seem to be some sort of whispering campaign against Cortese.

 

A few people have had their nose put out of joint by him. To his credit, he doesn't publicly respond to the tittle tattle bullsh*t written about him.

 

He's made mistakes, who hasn't? Hopefully he'll learn from them and take us forward.

 

I am not pro or anti NC. My problem is that football is my entertainment I want information, rumours and speculation its part of the overall spectacle. Information is being kept from us and it somehow makes it more boring, I like to hear us linked with players even if it doesn't come off.

I think non footballing people don't really understand that we don't just turn up for the game, eat our half time pie with our pint then go home with a bag full of replica kit.

Football is our soap opera and we want to have some information nowadays it seems that especially around Saints that we are fed the minimal of information unless it is the same boring interview reeling out the same rehashed type of answers just coming from a different player.

This has led to some of the most stupid rumours being fed into the public arena and some of the hysteria we are now witnessing.

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I need a reality check ???

 

Now that really is funny

 

I would have thought that all the scaremongers with RUMOURS and SPECULATION are the ones who need a reality check

 

Reality means dealing in FACTS IMHO

 

I'm not saying the rumours are fact, just that there is no harm in posting what you have heard, because they MIGHT be true.

 

If no one posted rumour and speculation on these message boards they would be a pretty dull place.

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Us British are World Champions at ONE thing

 

Getting a Good thing and Ripping it to shreds

 

We now have a wave of Kr*p doing the rounds about Southampton Football Club, and Nicola Cortese in particular

 

May I respectfully remind everyone of something ??

 

Friday 20th August 2010. Statement From Nicola Cortese, posted on the OS, and copied elsewhere

 

READ IT, and then READ IT AGAIN

 

Does it not convey the message that things WILL continue as before, in line with Wishes of Markus Leibherr ?????

 

My message to everybody is very simple

 

If you want what we now have to be destroyed, then just carry on with all the stupid Speculation, because over a period of time, that is EXACTLY what you will achieve

 

I Believed Markus Leibherr

 

I Believe Nicola Cortese

 

I Believe in Southampton Football Club

 

DON'T RUIN IT WITH THE BRITISN DISEASE

 

I don't agree with a lot that is written on here about cortese or saints in general,IMO 99% of it is codwash but do you really think that cortese takes any notice of the crap that is written on this site,do you think he would really make any rash decisions because some anonymous knobhead spews a bit of bile from behind a computer screen?

I really can't see that happening.....let's say there are maybe 4k registered users on here most are positive,some think they are itk, you could probably count on one hand the users who are basically grave dancers,the ones who would like to see the club implode.

Do you honestly think that cortese is looking over his shoulder because of half a dozen knobheads with an extreme opinion.....I don't think so.

 

This forum is good but it's not that good,IMO it doesn't represent a true cross section of the saints fanbase.....Jeez,some of you should get out more.

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I'm not saying the rumours are fact, just that there is no harm in posting what you have heard, because they MIGHT be true.

 

If no one posted rumour and speculation on these message boards they would be a pretty dull place.

 

I agree with all that, but I would contend that FACTS are Reality, Rumours and Speculation are Not

 

If I get FACTS wrong then yes, perhaps I need a reality check, but not for reading what others put on here which are simply Rumour and Speculation, born simply from the fact that little info is issued from St Mary's these days

 

In the UK, we are good at stirring up the Sh*t when there are no real Facts or real News available

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What other illogical acts have we seen from Cortese? Banning media from taking photos, Banning the Saints Trust Chairman from a ST, Ending a payment scheme for STs without explanation, Installing car park charges for supporters going to away games etc etc All petty stupid actions that were also badly communicated. How many examples of illogical acts do you want?

Dont forget hiking up match day parking and introducing booking fees. All these savage actions are in danger of pricing out some long term fans who are on fixed incomes and pensions. If this policy of trying to extract the maximum from fans continues, especially if we manage to get promoted, there is no doubt, in my mind, that it wont be long before some of us will no longer be able to support the club we have loved for so long. Don't tell me this a family club We are now just consumers of a product that we may or may not be able to afford. Sorry to be so downbeat but I have never been so depressed in our club. Even during the dark days of Lowe I still felt it was my club and worth fighting for.It now seems like I am only as good as the money I have to spend.

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