Nutwood2 Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 I know he's only a kid in footballing terms but, given the Bent transfer fee, and assuming we let him go, what should we be asking for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 5 to 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 Nothing. We don't need to sell him, he doesn't want to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 or just say, a long time left on his contract not even going to respond during this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 Normal rules don't seem to apply where Darren Bent transfer fees are concerned. In Darren Bent terms, we should get the equivalent of the GDP of Australia for AOC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 He is under contract so we don't have to sell unless his head is turned by the thought of megga bucks and wants away, if that becomes the case we should say no to XYZ down and XYX in add ons depending on this and that, if you want him we want this much and we want it up front if not go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 we should get the equivalent of the GDP of Australia . 50p it is then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailOB Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 If Van der Vaart was 8 million then what price for AOC ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 The problem with the Bents going for such money makes the big clubs want to sign younger players even more. A missed opportunity to buy someone for 6mil could turn into a 20mil price tage later on down the line. The big clubs then loan out the player which distorts the whole league and if they don't make it then they get sold to a middle ranking prem club with no loss. Ban the loan system (except in extreme circumstances) and allow young talent to stay with their nurturing club a little bit longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 The problem with the Bents going for such money makes the big clubs want to sign younger players even more. A missed opportunity to buy someone for 6mil could turn into a 20mil price tage later on down the line. The big clubs then loan out the player which distorts the whole league and if they don't make it then they get sold to a middle ranking prem club with no loss. Ban the loan system (except in extreme circumstances) and allow young talent to stay with their nurturing club a little bit longer. I fully agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 I don't like looking back at the past, but weren't we after Bent when he was at Ipswich? He's always been a goalscorer but he's no way worth what Villa paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 I don't like looking back at the past, but weren't we after Bent when he was at Ipswich? He's always been a goalscorer but he's no way worth what Villa paid. On face value, I'd agree however Villa cannot score atm, it's like a black cat has crossed their path! If he keeps them up it'll be worth it and Sunderland get a bigger wedge to compensate. Villa's players don't have relegation clauses to reduce their wages so going down could cost them a £60m+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 If Van der Vaart was 8 million then what price for AOC ? Quite. There's f**k all point in comparing other transfers to what we could potentially get for AOC. It all depends on who's buying, who's selling and why, not to mention the personal preferences of the player in question. Bent went for £20m odd because Sunderland were a stable Prem side in a strong possition who didn't need to sell and Villa are owned by some fairly well off yanks. We bought Chaplow for a shilling and threepence because Preston didn't want him. Apples and oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 At the very least players shouldn't be able to be loaned to teams in the same division. To the OP: Bent is a full international with years of experience in the prem; AOX is a 17 year old with half a season's experience in L1. Based on that 1-2m, at best. However, there really is no comparison. 2 totally different players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 The whole "Bent isn't worth £20-odd million" argument baffles me. Since he played his first Premier League game in 2005, only Wayne Rooney and Didier Drogba have scored more league goals than Bent (DD and WR both with 82 compared to DB's 81) - considering he's always played for lesser teams who clearly don't create as many chances for their strikers, that's pretty damn impressive. At the end of the day, a player is only ever worth what the buying and selling club agree he is worth. In the short-term, we could probably easily say that there is no price for Chamberlain as he's not for sale. While he's happy for that situation to remain, great, but there will obviously come a time when he feels he needs to move on. Hopefully that won't be for a while yet though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 The whole "Bent isn't worth £20-odd million" argument baffles me. Since he played his first Premier League game in 2005, only Wayne Rooney and Didier Drogba have scored more league goals than Bent (DD and WR both with 82 compared to DB's 81) - considering he's always played for lesser teams who clearly don't create as many chances for their strikers, that's pretty damn impressive. At the end of the day, a player is only ever worth what the buying and selling club agree he is worth. In the short-term, we could probably easily say that there is no price for Chamberlain as he's not for sale. While he's happy for that situation to remain, great, but there will obviously come a time when he feels he needs to move on. Hopefully that won't be for a while yet though. What is more the initial transfer fee is £18 million'ish,if he does lots of exciting things it will go up to a maximum of £24 million. If you can't score enough goals you eventually go out of the EPL and that costs you a lot of money.Bent is a wise punt,£18 million for a known goal scorer, they could easily pay 20+ million for a 17 year old Dutch kid who may or may not make the grade.Villa need goals now not in 5 years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 Darren Bent has no relevant to OX at all. He is a proven prem player with, as Steve says, the third best scoring rate in the prem over the last 6 years. OX has played less than 20 games in league 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 The whole "Bent isn't worth £20-odd million" argument baffles me. Since he played his first Premier League game in 2005, only Wayne Rooney and Didier Drogba have scored more league goals than Bent (DD and WR both with 82 compared to DB's 81) - considering he's always played for lesser teams who clearly don't create as many chances for their strikers, that's pretty damn impressive. At the end of the day, a player is only ever worth what the buying and selling club agree he is worth. In the short-term, we could probably easily say that there is no price for Chamberlain as he's not for sale. While he's happy for that situation to remain, great, but there will obviously come a time when he feels he needs to move on. Hopefully that won't be for a while yet though. I absolutely agree Steve, you beat me to it. Goal scorers cost money, he regularly gets 20 a season player in teams not as good as WR or DD, so that plus him being English means he comes at premium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 The whole "Bent isn't worth £20-odd million" argument baffles me. Since he played his first Premier League game in 2005, only Wayne Rooney and Didier Drogba have scored more league goals than Bent (DD and WR both with 82 compared to DB's 81) - considering he's always played for lesser teams who clearly don't create as many chances for their strikers, that's pretty damn impressive. At the end of the day, a player is only ever worth what the buying and selling club agree he is worth. In the short-term, we could probably easily say that there is no price for Chamberlain as he's not for sale. While he's happy for that situation to remain, great, but there will obviously come a time when he feels he needs to move on. Hopefully that won't be for a while yet though. quite, and still young - proven at highest level.- worth lot more than Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 The whole "Bent isn't worth £20-odd million" argument baffles me. Since he played his first Premier League game in 2005, only Wayne Rooney and Didier Drogba have scored more league goals than Bent (DD and WR both with 82 compared to DB's 81) - considering he's always played for lesser teams who clearly don't create as many chances for their strikers, that's pretty damn impressive. At the end of the day, a player is only ever worth what the buying and selling club agree he is worth. In the short-term, we could probably easily say that there is no price for Chamberlain as he's not for sale. While he's happy for that situation to remain, great, but there will obviously come a time when he feels he needs to move on. Hopefully that won't be for a while yet though. Totally agree mate, as brilliant as Alex is, he's being brilliant at League 1 and has not been scoring week in, week out, in the Premier League for a good number of years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 I absolutely agree Steve, you beat me to it. Goal scorers cost money, he regularly gets 20 a season player in teams not as good as WR or DD, so that plus him being English means he comes at premium. Agreed, except for the "comes at a premium" bit. With his record, while not playing in top 4 teams, I dont think he is expensive! Rooney was being talked about as worth £50m+ What price Tevez now (despite risk he will be homesick)? And so on. Bent = proven quality, 26 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 We don't want to sell him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 I know he's only a kid in footballing terms but, given the Bent transfer fee, and assuming we let him go, what should we be asking for him? Very good point. Must admit I was a little shocked to see Bent valued at that much...I think he's a mediocre striker at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 The whole "Bent isn't worth £20-odd million" argument baffles me. Since he played his first Premier League game in 2005, only Wayne Rooney and Didier Drogba have scored more league goals than Bent (DD and WR both with 82 compared to DB's 81) - considering he's always played for lesser teams who clearly don't create as many chances for their strikers, that's pretty damn impressive. At the end of the day, a player is only ever worth what the buying and selling club agree he is worth. In the short-term, we could probably easily say that there is no price for Chamberlain as he's not for sale. While he's happy for that situation to remain, great, but there will obviously come a time when he feels he needs to move on. Hopefully that won't be for a while yet though. Oh I do agree, in this day and age you have to pay large ones to get the better players, but I don't think ANY player should be worth £24 million. Money in this game has gone mental in the last few years - it wasn't long ago we were all amazed at Shearer costing £15 million. The Premiership has changed a lot since we were there, it's all silly money now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 Oh I do agree, in this day and age you have to pay large ones to get the better players, but I don't think ANY player should be worth £24 million. Money in this game has gone mental in the last few years - it wasn't long ago we were all amazed at Shearer costing £15 million. The Premiership has changed a lot since we were there, it's all silly money now. It was silly money when we were there as well, except that we spent our silly money on a one legged Ecuadorian cowboy and Rory Delap.We obtained plenty of silly money though 8.1 million for Dean Richards...thanks very much Glen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 Darren Bent is worth 20million ????? F*cking unreal...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 We shouldn't be asking anything for him because he's our player. When he's got a year left on his contact (i.e. 2 years time) we can re-evaluate whether to keep him or sell him on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 The club should set a stupid price because 1. we dont want to sell him 2. The amount we get if the buying club persists would set us up for promotion this season and next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 3. Any club may end up getting over 15 good years out of a top player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 I blame Brian Clough for all this silly money being paid for players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutwood2 Posted 19 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 19 January, 2011 Great debate so far guys and thanks for that, although not many have actually answered the original question! I think my point is that, given the Bent transfer fee, if we were to let him go now (I would be devastated if we do!), shouldn't we be asking huge money, far more than the five to ten so far quoted in the press? I am totally fed up with giving away our home grown talent on the cheap and I would be looking for 25 million for him. No joke. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 Great debate so far guys and thanks for that, although not many have actually answered the original question! I think my point is that, given the Bent transfer fee, if we were to let him go now (I would be devastated if we do!), shouldn't we be asking huge money, far more than the five to ten so far quoted in the press? I am totally fed up with giving away our home grown talent on the cheap and I would be looking for 25 million for him. No joke. Why not? Wouldn't agree that we have been "giving away our home grown talent on the cheap". We got very good fee's for Walcott and Bale (would have been better had we not cashed in early on the Bale deal). The reality is that we have an outstanding prospect who has only played a handful of league 1 games making his value difficult to quantify. Media hype and multiple big club interest will up the price along with the selling clubs willingness to hang on for him/need for money. What I don't understand is how you could use Darren Bent as some kind of benchmark as to how much we should value OXO at? Bents record in the premier league is excellent and only Drogba and Rooney have better goal scoring records over the same period. You wouldn't use those two as examples to value OXO would you? Personally, if the player wants to leave then I think anything over 10 mil (cash upfront) would be a good price. If the player doesn't want to leave then may as well ask for something ridiculous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwiz Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 Gerard Houllier has been replaced with immediate effect by Elton John. Sir Elton became interested when he discovered Villa's strikers were Young & Bent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 I blame Brian Clough for all this silly money being paid for players. I blame whoever bought Shearer from us to take him to Blackburn - wasn't it a record transfer fee for that time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 Between 3 and £5 Million I'd say. Totally unproven as yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 looking at Bent's age and proven record in prem already, and todays prices don't think its a silly price for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOggmonster Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 Arsene Wenger has just applied for the Aston Villa job after hearing their strikers are Young & Bent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 Arsene Wenger has just applied for the Aston Villa job after hearing their strikers are Young & Bent haha brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 I blame whoever bought Shearer from us to take him to Blackburn - wasn't it a record transfer fee for that time? Clough paid the first £1m fee and they have just gone out of control since then, what sort of money would Trevor Francis go for now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 Clough paid the first £1m fee and they have just gone out of control since then, what sort of money would Trevor Francis go for now? he is 56, best years behind him, on a free probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHsaintsfan Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 Not much he's about 50! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 he is 56, best years behind him, on a free probably You know what mean Nick, if he was in his prime in todays market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 The whole "Bent isn't worth £20-odd million" argument baffles me. Since he played his first Premier League game in 2005, only Wayne Rooney and Didier Drogba have scored more league goals than Bent (DD and WR both with 82 compared to DB's 81) - considering he's always played for lesser teams who clearly don't create as many chances for their strikers, that's pretty damn impressive. At the end of the day, a player is only ever worth what the buying and selling club agree he is worth. In the short-term, we could probably easily say that there is no price for Chamberlain as he's not for sale. While he's happy for that situation to remain, great, but there will obviously come a time when he feels he needs to move on. Hopefully that won't be for a while yet though. Totally agree, its what i wrote on the other DB thread we had earlier. Add to his impressive scoring record the fact that the new 25 man squad system now MUST include a certain amount of english players then you can see why this transfer fee is what it is. He is a good goal scorer and english, so thats two boxes ticked as far as Houlier is concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 You know what mean Nick, if he was in his prime in todays market. sorry, I did - but it was too easy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 19 January, 2011 Share Posted 19 January, 2011 Completely irrelevant comparison. Transfer prices are always inflated, especially for english players as we have seen. Each transfer is differnent, depends on who is buying who is selling, contract etc. FWIW Bent is a proven goalscorer and although £18m is very expensive, he has always produced the goods in terms of goals. If Bent is a overpriced, then the signing of Jean Makoun by Villa is a bit of a steal. Chamberlain is whatever we demand or based on player judgement by clubs interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 Alex is not a proven prem player and IMO not even prem quality yet he needs to play next season or this season in the championship 1st, lallana is our only player who can play prem league and do well for bottom 5/6 teams, Darren Bent on the other hand pure class he's underrated by the England set up. Watch villa finish around top 8 again bent young GA Is a good quick attacking 3 any team would hate to face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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