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This has been rumbling for ages. Duncan has actually been talking about it since the summer. Of course everyone will dismiss it but I think at the very least it could be a case of the Liebherr's wanting to move on. Why else would Cortese have mentioned the fact that he would be prepared to bring someone else in if the Liebherrs wanted to sell?

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All depends who this 'source' is, as always, but hypo is right and I think to dismiss it completely would be naive. That said, I'm not going to waste any time worrying about it because we have absolutely zero control over it and whatever happens, we are in an infinitely better position now than we have been for a long time.

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This has been rumbling for ages. Duncan has actually been talking about it since the summer. Of course everyone will dismiss it but I think at the very least it could be a case of the Liebherr's wanting to move on. Why else would Cortese have mentioned the fact that he would be prepared to bring someone else in if the Liebherrs wanted to sell?

 

Because he is a **** hot business man, and they always have a plan B (and a plan C, D, E etc)

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Second post on this thread, is one Mr chondriac, now there's a shocker, 3 minutes it took you Hypo, your computer must be set up to give an alarm when something is posted, that allows you to continue your 'attack' on the club. I wish you were on the side of the white hats, we could use that sort of dedication!

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From the twitter feed of the Bournemouth Echo Sports Editor

 

 

Dark forces still in action ?

 

 

This guy Meldrum is actually a Saints fan; he wrote a long article in the Bournemouth Echo just after we beat them 2-0 in the League at SMS and didn't let photographers in, talking about how he used to stand on the terraces at The Dell as a Saints fan and support MLT, Shearer etc., but that under Cortese we had lost our soul. It was actually an article that did resonate with me to a degree.

 

No idea whether it's mischievous garbage, one could easily imagine Mitchell would have encouraged it.

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When we heard the sad news of Markus, there was always the (Selfish) thought of how that would impact Saints and would we still have the financial clout to get back to the Premiership. The estate of a billionaire is not sorted out over night regardless of any one countries rules, as to who gets what and when. We have been and are in the control of the Markus Liebherr estate. The realists will know that ultimatley means anything can happen and to dismiss the fact we could be sold would be foolish and the CEO saying everythig is fine, doesn't mean a great deal (Thats his job)

 

However the last month has shown, not just there is money, but the continued investment into the infrastructure (Staplewood, Property purchased), is not the actions of a Club "On the Market". Additionally forget how much wealth these people have, when there is a chance of 10 mliion (Literally from nowhere) (OXO) people take notice. Cortese can tell us all till he is blue in the face that he reports to nobody, but if the Estate had wanted to cash in on Oxo they would have done. Couple that with signing Lallana on a new deal and having million pound bids rejected for other players, it would all seem bizarre if the club was for sale. You also have to consider that a bournemouth sports reporter is a little further removed from a Southampton sports reporter who in turn the club don't even talk to. The likelyhood of a leak from anyone that genuinely knows is remote.

 

That doesn't mean it can't or won't happen, but for all the time i thought it was a possibility, the timing now suggests the opposite.

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All depends who this 'source' is, as always, but hypo is right and I think to dismiss it completely would be naive. That said, I'm not going to waste any time worrying about it because we have absolutely zero control over it and whatever happens, we are in an infinitely better position now than we have been for a long time.

 

Good post and a well made point.

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Bournemouth have definitely got too much time on their hands... probably because all so old and can't leave the nursing home. I think it would be a good idea for the saints away support (the lucky few) to go their dressed up as the grim reaper.

 

Yeah I bet the reporter just invented it because he hates Southampton.Of course it could be b*llocks but I think it warrants discussion, simply because it has cropped up so often.

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This guy Meldrum is actually a Saints fan; he wrote a long article in the Bournemouth Echo just after we beat them 2-0 in the League at SMS and didn't let photographers in, talking about how he used to stand on the terraces at The Dell as a Saints fan and support MLT, Shearer etc., but that under Cortese we had lost our soul. It was actually an article that did resonate with me to a degree.

 

No idea whether it's mischievous garbage, one could easily imagine Mitchell would have encouraged it.

 

 

This is the article (apologies, it was actually after we beat them in the League Cup, not the League):-

 

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/8323869.Comment__Saints_chairman_can_t_see_the_big_picture/

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This has been rumbling for ages. Duncan has actually been talking about it since the summer. Of course everyone will dismiss it but I think at the very least it could be a case of the Liebherr's wanting to move on. Why else would Cortese have mentioned the fact that he would be prepared to bring someone else in if the Liebherrs wanted to sell?

 

I'm not sure how one ordinary fan speculating can give a story more credibility. Cortese has similarly stated since the summer that the club is not for sale. I think I know who I would put my money on :) People will always pick the same stories up on google and regurgitate them (I acccidentally did it myeslf the other day re a trialist). Does not make the rumours any more credible.

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Second post on this thread, is one Mr chondriac, now there's a shocker, 3 minutes it took you Hypo, your computer must be set up to give an alarm when something is posted, that allows you to continue your 'attack' on the club. I wish you were on the side of the white hats, we could use that sort of dedication!

 

Grow up.

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This has been rumbling for ages. Duncan has actually been talking about it since the summer. Of course everyone will dismiss it but I think at the very least it could be a case of the Liebherr's wanting to move on. Why else would Cortese have mentioned the fact that he would be prepared to bring someone else in if the Liebherrs wanted to sell?

 

Agree with this, but just to look at it from a different perspective, maybe any potential sale would be because Nicola wants to move the club on, rather than the Liebherr's wanting to cut loose.

From the Liebherr family point of view, whilst they are business people (and as such do not want to waste money) keeping the club ticking over nicely is a drop in the ocean for them. If it were the final wish of Marcus for them to back the club financially and get it back to the premiership, I’m pretty certain they’d continue to respect his wishes for a considerable period of time, as a mark of respect for him, regardless of cost.

 

But what if they are just keeping it ticking over, but Nicola wants things to move faster? I said after meeting him that it was clear that he is passionate about the club and wants to ensure it’s successful. I am under no doubt that Nicola will be with us for a long time yet. As I said after the meeting, I am utterly convinced we are in safe hands.

 

Nicola did refer in the media to the fact the he has other options financially and if there were to be any change in club ownership, I’m still convinced that those changes would be for the better and still with the goal of Nicola getting us back to the premiership where his good friend asked his to take us.

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I'm not sure how one ordinary fan speculating can give a story more credibility. Cortese has similarly stated since the summer that the club is not for sale. I think I know who I would put my money on :) People will always pick the same stories up on google and regurgitate them (I acccidentally did it myeslf the other day re a trialist). Does not make the rumours any more credible.

 

Thing is though Cortese can say it is not for sale but the likelihood is that it won't be up to him. I mean obviously it could all be made up but there is the POSSIBILITY that there is some basis in fact. I mean Cortese is hardly likely to come out and say 'yes the club is for sale,' especially if he was in dispute with the Liebherrs as leftback claimed. I do think that what leftback said was extremely interesting, especially considering he got stuff right in the past. Lets hope that if this does come to pass that the club stays in good hands and stays financially healthy.

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Agree with this, but just to look at it from a different perspective, maybe any potential sale would be because Nicola wants to move the club on, rather than the Liebherr's wanting to cut loose.

From the Liebherr family point of view, whilst they are business people (and as such do not want to waste money) keeping the club ticking over nicely is a drop in the ocean for them. If it were the final wish of Marcus for them to back the club financially and get it back to the premiership, I’m pretty certain they’d continue to respect his wishes for a considerable period of time, as a mark of respect for him, regardless of cost.

 

But what if they are just keeping it ticking over, but Nicola wants things to move faster? I said after meeting him that it was clear that he is passionate about the club and wants to ensure it’s successful. I am under no doubt that Nicola will be with us for a long time yet. As I said after the meeting, I am utterly convinced we are in safe hands.

 

Nicola did refer in the media to the fact the he has other options financially and if there were to be any change in club ownership, I’m still convinced that those changes would be for the better and still with the goal of Nicola getting us back to the premiership where his good friend asked his to take us.

 

Thanks for that post and it certainly adds something because you have actually met the chairman recently. There are a lot of good qualities which Cortese brings to the club and what I hope is that we aren't so single minded that we alienate some people connected to the club. I hope there is some sort of balance.

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I will only believe that if "Duncan" has been talking about it.....

 

Duncan was one example. There are people who talk to others with close connections to the club you know. I think at the very least it deserves discussion (and others have agreed) with the caveat that it could of course not be true.

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Duncan was one example. There are people who talk to others with close connections to the club you know. I think at the very least it deserves discussion (and others have agreed) with the caveat that it could of course not be true.

We need to stop giving creedence to the likes of Fitzhugh and a few others I can think of.They know no more than any other fan and should be listened to less than most fans because like the "dark forces" they are bitter at being out of the loop at the club and have an agenda.

Read between the lines of a few of the anti-Cortese posters on here and you will see they are part of the "give us a job" , "fanontheboard" clique and know that while Nicola is in charge they will never have a chance of a free lunch.

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Thanks for that post and it certainly adds something because you have actually met the chairman recently. There are a lot of good qualities which Cortese brings to the club and what I hope is that we aren't so single minded that we alienate some people connected to the club. I hope there is some sort of balance.

 

Certainly I don’t have any inside info on these latest rumblings, but I really wish I could get more people on here to understand just how important Nicola is to our future. Everyone seems to remember Marcus as our saviour and forgets that it was actually Nicola who got him involved and it was Nicola who was involved in the hard work prior to/during and after the takeover. Marcus was able to enjoy the club in his final days, but Nicola has been an integral part of the clubs fabric and continues to be so. He is determined to succeed with the target he was set by Marcus.

 

Whilst I’m clearly going to be labelled as a Cortese lovvie, I have actually found some of his decisions in the past strange, but overall I am more than happy with where the club is currently heading. It’s such a shame that we can’t all just sit back and enjoy the club without these constant rumours, but regardless of if they are true or not, I’m relaxed, as whatever happens will be for part of the target for the plan to get us back to the premiership

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We need to stop giving creedence to the likes of Fitzhugh and a few others I can think of.They know no more than any other fan and should be listened to less than most fans because like the "dark forces" they are bitter at being out of the loop at the club and have an agenda.

Read between the lines of a few of the anti-Cortese posters on here and you will see they are part of the "give us a job" , "fanontheboard" clique and know that while Nicola is in charge they will never have a chance of a free lunch.

 

This.

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We need to stop giving creedence to the likes of Fitzhugh and a few others I can think of.They know no more than any other fan and should be listened to less than most fans because like the "dark forces" they are bitter at being out of the loop at the club and have an agenda.

Read between the lines of a few of the anti-Cortese posters on here and you will see they are part of the "give us a job" , "fanontheboard" clique and know that while Nicola is in charge they will never have a chance of a free lunch.

 

I think that's unfair manji. It's your opinion, fair enough, but I genuinely do not believe that Duncan has an agenda beyond having strong opinions about what is right or wrong for the club. I've disagreed with him plenty in the past, mainly on Saintslist, but I don't think he is bitter or has an agenda at all.

 

'Reading between the lines' is a dangerous game IMO and unless you know these individuals, I think such interpretations of a few words on a messageboard is misguided.

 

I've said this before though: Ultimately, we can only make a judgement on other posters based on how well we know them and on our own perception of what they have posted in the past. I won't judge a poster just because someone else says I should or shouldn't, and equally, I'm not suddenly going to believe or not believe the club sale 'rumour' any more or less because of the Bournemouth Echo editors comment until I know more about his 'source', but I think it would be silly to rule it out completely. Things can change in football very quickly.

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We need to stop giving creedence to the likes of Fitzhugh and a few others I can think of.They know no more than any other fan and should be listened to less than most fans because like the "dark forces" they are bitter at being out of the loop at the club and have an agenda.

Read between the lines of a few of the anti-Cortese posters on here and you will see they are part of the "give us a job" , "fanontheboard" clique and know that while Nicola is in charge they will never have a chance of a free lunch.

 

Btw - absolutely spot on.

 

Prepare yourself for the tubthumpers to get upset about your post though!

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We need to stop giving creedence to the likes of Fitzhugh and a few others I can think of.They know no more than any other fan and should be listened to less than most fans because like the "dark forces" they are bitter at being out of the loop at the club and have an agenda.

Read between the lines of a few of the anti-Cortese posters on here and you will see they are part of the "give us a job" , "fanontheboard" clique and know that while Nicola is in charge they will never have a chance of a free lunch.

You have been on this rant for years. I know some of the people you talk of and that simply isn't the case. Do you know Duncan personally?

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Btw - absolutely spot on.

 

Prepare yourself for the tubthumpers to get upset about your post though!

 

How do you know that? Unless you know the people involved personally how can you suggest that their information is invented because they are bitter? I would be pretty insulted by that viewpoint if I was one of the ones you refer to.

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I think that's unfair manji. It's your opinion, fair enough, but I genuinely do not believe that Duncan has an agenda beyond having strong opinions about what is right or wrong for the club. I've disagreed with him plenty in the past, mainly on Saintslist, but I don't think he is bitter or has an agenda at all.

 

'Reading between the lines' is a dangerous game IMO and unless you know these individuals, I think such interpretations of a few words on a messageboard is misguided.

 

I've said this before though: Ultimately, we can only make a judgement on other posters based on how well we know them and on our own perception of what they have posted in the past. I won't judge a poster just because someone else says I should or shouldn't, and equally, I'm not suddenly going to believe or not believe the club sale 'rumour' any more or less because of the Bournemouth Echo editors comment until I know more about his 'source', but I think it would be silly to rule it out completely. Things can change in football very quickly.

 

Seriously Minty you should post more often. To dismiss completely or totally believe this rumour is the wrong stance to take.

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This has been rumbling for ages. Duncan has actually been talking about it since the summer. Of course everyone will dismiss it but I think at the very least it could be a case of the Liebherr's wanting to move on. Why else would Cortese have mentioned the fact that he would be prepared to bring someone else in if the Liebherrs wanted to sell?

 

It's been obvious right from the start that it wasn't really Markus who wanted to buy us but NC, and that he managed to get ML to bankroll it, and managed to enthuse him a bit (especially if ML knew he was ill and wanted a bit of fun for a while).

If the Liebherr's want out then NC, if he want's still to run things, will have other finance options in his back pocket.

It's all going to be down to NC's own enthusiasm and commitment.

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If the Liebherr's want out then NC, if he want's still to run things, will have other finance options in his back pocket.

It's all going to be down to NC's own enthusiasm and commitment.

 

This certainly my view also, and as I said at the top, I'm not particularly worried at all. I have faith in NC and his overall management of the club and the business.

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One thing we all should have learnt over last 12 months is that journalists have not got a clue what is going on in our club.

 

You won't go far wrong if you write off every rumour about saints in papers, internet and silent as made up.

 

You would have probably been correct 99%

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I think at the very least it deserves discussion (and others have agreed) with the caveat that it could of course not be true.

 

Well, it hasn't been discussed for the last week or so, so you might have a point.

 

I eagerly await next week's 'Saints for Sale' thread, which will no doubt will be started after some story in a local rag (or the Heil) quoting a source close to St. Mary's. (Unfortunately the journo will not mention that the 'source close to St. Mary's' is a hooker from Derby Road!!)

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How many more times does 'We are not for sale' need to be said by the Chairman before it's understood?

 

Let the sh*t stirring continue. Doing so on a groundless basis will only result in you looking like an idiot in the long run. Just ask Corp Ho about that in the 'Skate Saga' thread in the Lounge. All that insider info.....

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Hasn't Cortese came out and said we are not for sale and to not believe gossip on it?

 

Hopefully now more people see how stupid this is becoming as each day passes.

 

Markus family gave a statement as did Cortese on wanting to achieve his wishes. I very much doubt they would of gone back on that in just a few months...

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Certainly I don’t have any inside info on these latest rumblings, but I really wish I could get more people on here to understand just how important Nicola is to our future. Everyone seems to remember Marcus as our saviour and forgets that it was actually Nicola who got him involved and it was Nicola who was involved in the hard work prior to/during and after the takeover. Marcus was able to enjoy the club in his final days, but Nicola has been an integral part of the clubs fabric and continues to be so. He is determined to succeed with the target he was set by Marcus.

 

Whilst I’m clearly going to be labelled as a Cortese lovvie, I have actually found some of his decisions in the past strange, but overall I am more than happy with where the club is currently heading. It’s such a shame that we can’t all just sit back and enjoy the club without these constant rumours, but regardless of if they are true or not, I’m relaxed, as whatever happens will be for part of the target for the plan to get us back to the premiership

 

I agree that Cortese working to make us successful is a good thing (albeit with the reservations that many have which have been discussed at length.) Equally though I'm not going to pretend that the club will be destroyed should Cortese not be involved any more. I mean Cortese isn't the only person who could acheive results with saints. Financially and in terms of potential we are probably the most attractive club in the football league (and possibly the Premiership) certainly in terms of value for money. It is quite possible that if the club is sold we could find us in an equally strong (or maybe even stronger!) position. Having said that, my gut feeling is that the best thing for the club is for Cortese to remain and maybe learn a little humility.

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