Roger Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 For championship I reckon these players are worth keeping: Davis Bart Defence: Butters(cover) Richardson Jaidi(cover and play) Fonte Harding(cover) Dickson? Martin Midfield Morgan Hammond(cover only) Stephens? Lallana AOC Gobern Forwards Lambert Barny Guly forte(cover) Reckon we would need to buy to go up again : Right back possibly Left back possibly Another centre back like jaidi but younger At least one centre mid as hammond and defo chaplow not good enough. Another class centre forward possibly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 I really can't make my mind up about Hammond. I think a back to back promotions often rely as much on momentum and team spirit as on extra signings so in some ways I hope we don't go too crazy and just build subtly on what we have again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 Surely we don't need any more full backs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 12 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 12 April, 2011 Surely we don't need any more full backs Maybe im being harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 Reckon we would need to buy to go up again : Right back possibly Left back possibly Surely we don't need any more full backs - Danny Butterfield has played 350 Championship games - Dan Harding and Frazer Richardson both have played nearly 100 Championship games - Joseph Mills is currently playing as a regular in the Championship - Ryan Dickson, although little in the way of experience at Championship, he has done little wrong and has potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 Bit harsh saying that Chappers and Hammond are ''def'' not good enough. They clearly are as they've preformed at that level before and have done well for Brighton and Burnley respectively. Hammond has been putting in proper captains performances for a while now. TBH I agree with the view of not changing too much. We have a great team spirit and togetherness at the moment - on top of talent such as Lallana, Fonte, Lambo, Barnard etc - we're already equip t to do well. The only 2 positions I'd say are worth looking at would be a CB (younger version of Jaidi as you said) and another striker who's done it at the level above etc. as we'll prob lose Connolly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 12 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 12 April, 2011 Bit harsh saying that Chappers and Hammond are ''def'' not good enough. They clearly are as they've preformed at that level before and have done well for Brighton and Burnley respectively. Hammond has been putting in proper captains performances for a while now. TBH I agree with the view of not changing too much. We have a great team spirit and togetherness at the moment - on top of talent such as Lallana, Fonte, Lambo, Barnard etc - we're already equip t to do well. The only 2 positions I'd say are worth looking at would be a CB (younger version of Jaidi as you said) and another striker who's done it at the level above etc. as we'll prob lose Connolly. I just dont think hammond dominates the game enough. I agree hes been better recently. Sat was one of his worst games for a while. I disagree at mo over chaplow, think he has been poor for a while now and adkins knows that I think. His passing is poor and he has not been as sharp as he was earlier in season for me. Plus I didnt say Hammond was def not good enough, only chaplow at mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 I disagree at mo over chaplow, think he has been poor for a while now and adkins knows that I think. His passing is poor and he has not been as sharp as he was earlier in season for me. Plus I didnt say Hammond was def not good enough, only chaplow at mo. I suppose it depends whether you think the solution to a player not reaching their potential is to coach them out of it, or to just buy another player. Chaplow clearly has the talent for the Championship when performing at his best, so it must be a concentration/confidence issue. I would like to think Adkins can find a way to get the best out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 I just dont think hammond dominates the game enough. I agree hes been better recently. Sat was one of his worst games for a while. I disagree at mo over chaplow, think he has been poor for a while now and adkins knows that I think. His passing is poor and he has not been as sharp as he was earlier in season for me. Plus I didnt say Hammond was def not good enough, only chaplow at mo. Yeah - Chappers at the mo is awful, but he's got talent so you have to work through those bad spells and get the best out of him again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 I'd say we would need a centre forward, tricky one with pace, a sort of Jermaine Defoe type of player and a new centre back to cover for Jaidi if his fitness fails him. Martin and Seabourne are good enough as cover. Add in all the injured players coming back fully fit and keeping Stephens then we're sorted. Thats it IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 12 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 12 April, 2011 I suppose it depends whether you think the solution to a player not reaching their potential is to coach them out of it, or to just buy another player. Chaplow clearly has the talent for the Championship when performing at his best, so it must be a concentration/confidence issue. I would like to think Adkins can find a way to get the best out of him. Chaplow when he was on loan was a good option. He was different. Im hoping stephens with his goalscoring record will be more skillful and better going forward and holding the ball and then morgan is great at sitting and passing. Hammonds a bit of everything so they would all accomodate eachother very well. Just think chaplow needs to be playing his role better at mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 12 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 12 April, 2011 I'd say we would need a centre forward, tricky one with pace, a sort of Jermaine Defoe type of player and a new centre back to cover for Jaidi if his fitness fails him. Martin and Seabourne are good enough as cover. Add in all the injured players coming back fully fit and keeping Stephens then we're sorted. Thats it IMO Maybe ryan harley too if hes not too much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 12 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 12 April, 2011 Yeah - Chappers at the mo is awful, but he's got talent so you have to work through those bad spells and get the best out of him again. Unless its saganovski syndrome.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 Maybe ryan harley too if hes not too much? He signed for Swansea in January 2011 and was loaned back to Exeter for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 12 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 12 April, 2011 He signed for Swansea in January 2011 and was loaned back to Exeter for the rest of the season. Oh didnt know that. Hope stephens proves to be better then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 12 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 12 April, 2011 This keeps coming up. The team will be largely the same, and good thing too. Finally a successful team and some people seem to want big changes. We have a great squad that's getting better and as I keep saying, we suit the championship a lot better. A few quality signings would be great, but not many. Can't speculate on that with Cortese as I have no idea if we'll be signing frees or splashing out £5m to chase another promotion. A centre back, a centre midfielder and a centre forward isnt making major surgery is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 12 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 12 April, 2011 He's in L1 because he's inconsistant. If he played as he did against Man Utd every week he'd be a top flight player. He's not going to be first choice in the championship without huge improvement. Hammond/Schneiderlin is fine, maybe we could strengthen but depends whose available, and both Hammond and Schneiderlin deserve a chance to show they can do it in the league above. Agree with you. I feel hammond needs to score some more goals in that combo as moran would sit deeper. Stephens at 21 may be able to force his way into that too. Im just not convinced by chaplow at all at mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 12 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 12 April, 2011 Nope, 3 or 4 signings is fine IMO. The obvious 'big money' signings would be those 3 positions, replacing Jaidi, Hammond and Barnard. All 3 have been brilliant though, so it's harsh and who knows they might do well next season too. I wouldnt put anything past jaidi the bloke is pure gold. However, hes probably going to get injured if he plays another season this many games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 No Puncheon ?* *thread hijack in progress... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 12 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 12 April, 2011 No Puncheon ?* *thread hijack in progress... On ability id say without a doubt but I trust adkins opinion on his attitude. Funny looks like he would be in the same division next year if he stays at balckpool and we are without doubt a much bigger club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 Do we really want to ask players to scrap for promotion for us just to tell them on this thread that we don't want them next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 12 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 12 April, 2011 (edited) Do we really want to ask players to scrap for promotion for us just to tell them on this thread that we don't want them next season? Good point. Delete the thread.............. Oh they know we dont pick the team though dont they? Or if they are mentally strong enough the ones we didnt include may think im going to prove you wrong? Edited 12 April, 2011 by Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 Good point. Delete the thread.............. Oh they know we dont pick the team though dont they? Now is a time for people to be pulling the same direction. I don't think threads like this at this stage are any help at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 I would say that the development squad will be the first place to look and if there isn't any immediate first team replacements then it'll be a loan. If there is no one in the development squad to fill the squad/first team place then I can see someone being bought or perhaps a free. Otherwise money will be saved on those players who can truly make a difference (like Lambert and Fonte last season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 I think I'd be buying a replacement for Jaidi unless we're planning on starting with Martin (or Seaborne, who seems to get a lot of hate for no apparent reason : e.g. "he was crap against Peterborough" - who've scored 60 goals in 20 home matches so you might consider being quite an attacking force ?!?!?!?!). Jaidi's doing well but he can't go on forever. Chaplow was struggling at Preston before we signed him, and since we signed him he's struggled again - we need another central midfielder (and I don't think it's Gobern), maybe two if Stephens doesn't stay. Can't see Harding coping with pacier wingers very well either, and Dickson is more attacking and I'm not convinced about him defensively. Seaborne's looked decent in his left back cameos though, and Man U and Argentina have been known to play seasons with centre backs at full back, so maybe we already have that position sorted. Definitely need a striker to replace Connolly (no idea if Doble can step up) and at the least Lambert cover, he's played nearly all of the past 2 seasons and without him we have to completely change style, which doesn't work. We need a Lambert replacement who can slot into that style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 12 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 12 April, 2011 I think I'd be buying a replacement for Jaidi unless we're planning on starting with Martin (or Seaborne, who seems to get a lot of hate for no apparent reason : e.g. "he was crap against Peterborough" - who've scored 60 goals in 20 home matches so you might consider being quite an attacking force ?!?!?!?!). Jaidi's doing well but he can't go on forever. Chaplow was struggling at Preston before we signed him, and since we signed him he's struggled again - we need another central midfielder (and I don't think it's Gobern), maybe two if Stephens doesn't stay. Can't see Harding coping with pacier wingers very well either, and Dickson is more attacking and I'm not convinced about him defensively. Seaborne's looked decent in his left back cameos though, and Man U and Argentina have been known to play seasons with centre backs at full back, so maybe we already have that position sorted. Definitely need a striker to replace Connolly (no idea if Doble can step up) and at the least Lambert cover, he's played nearly all of the past 2 seasons and without him we have to completely change style, which doesn't work. We need a Lambert replacement who can slot into that style. Agree mostly but not judging cborn just on that game on a lot that ive seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 Elliot Ward? (plays every week for high flying Norwich and was surely a better option that Dan Seameninfaceborne) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 I like the idea of trying Stephens and Morgan in CM, if we sign Stephen permanently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 Norwich didn't change much did they? And look where they are. I don't want a summer of speculation I want a summer of stability, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 Norwich didn't change much did they? And look where they are. I don't want a summer of speculation I want a summer of stability, Norwich changed quite a lot actually.About 5 or 6 players I think. Last time I looked there were 3 of the promotion side in their starting XI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerceSaint28 Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 I don’t think we need too many wholesale changes to be honest. I think keeper position is relatively safe. I haven’t been a massive fan of Davies but he has played pretty well lately (cue disaster tonight) and Bialkowski is a good replacement. In terms of defence, it is obvious Jaidi will be too old for the Championship and his contract is up. This is a position where we need to spend decent money to address. I think someone in the Jaidi mould would be good, maybe Danny Dhittu or Magid Bougherra maybe. Seabourne is definitely not good enough for the step up and should be cut loose in my opinion. Fullbacks don’t seem much of an issue, left back is interesting as Harding’s contract is up. If im being harsh I think he would be an average Championship player at best and could be easily replaced with someone with a bit of pace and then have Dickson as reserve. Midfield is pretty strong but definitely lacking a quality centre midfielder, maybe Stock will finally make the protracted move to SMS. Whispers of Wade Elliott wanting to come back and Howard are also rife and may give us cover on the wings. Up top, we need a pacey front man, I think we are all in agreement that man should CMS, IF we can get him as he has stated he wants to leave. I would like to see some cover for Lambert too and young Sam Vokes on loan would be great, especially as he is a massive saints fan and would jump at the move. Don’t discount Beattie either as he already made noices about wanting to come home. Areas of need Centre Back Centre Midfield Wing Cover Centre forward – Speed striker and Lambert target man cover Suggestions Centre Back - Danny ****tu/ Magid Bougherra / Sean St Ledger Centre Midfield – Brian Stock/ Neil Danns Left Back – Joe Mattock Right back – Nathanial Clyne (not a need but very good player and better than what we have) Wings – George Boyd/ Kieron Cadogan/ Wilfried Zaha/ Dale Jennings Centre Forward – Sam Vokes/ James Beattie/ Craig Mickail Smith/ Francois Zoko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 Norwich changed quite a lot actually.About 5 or 6 players I think. Last time I looked there were 3 of the promotion side in their starting XI. but think most of players they bought in were lower league players, or players who had been out of loan to several clubs - they didn't go for signing names Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 12 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 12 April, 2011 I don’t think we need too many wholesale changes to be honest. I think keeper position is relatively safe. I haven’t been a massive fan of Davies but he has played pretty well lately (cue disaster tonight) and Bialkowski is a good replacement. In terms of defence, it is obvious Jaidi will be too old for the Championship and his contract is up. This is a position where we need to spend decent money to address. I think someone in the Jaidi mould would be good, maybe Danny Dhittu or Magid Bougherra maybe. Seabourne is definitely not good enough for the step up and should be cut loose in my opinion. Fullbacks don’t seem much of an issue, left back is interesting as Harding’s contract is up. If im being harsh I think he would be an average Championship player at best and could be easily replaced with someone with a bit of pace and then have Dickson as reserve. Midfield is pretty strong but definitely lacking a quality centre midfielder, maybe Stock will finally make the protracted move to SMS. Whispers of Wade Elliott wanting to come back and Howard are also rife and may give us cover on the wings. Up top, we need a pacey front man, I think we are all in agreement that man should CMS, IF we can get him as he has stated he wants to leave. I would like to see some cover for Lambert too and young Sam Vokes on loan would be great, especially as he is a massive saints fan and would jump at the move. Don’t discount Beattie either as he already made noices about wanting to come home. Areas of need Centre Back Centre Midfield Wing Cover Centre forward – Speed striker and Lambert target man cover Suggestions Centre Back - Danny ****tu/ Magid Bougherra / Sean St Ledger Centre Midfield – Brian Stock/ Neil Danns Left Back – Joe Mattock Right back – Nathanial Clyne (not a need but very good player and better than what we have) Wings – George Boyd/ Kieron Cadogan/ Wilfried Zaha/ Dale Jennings Centre Forward – Sam Vokes/ James Beattie/ Craig Mickail Smith/ Francois Zoko Jaidi will be kept on for at least another year and will play but agree we need someone else too cos he cant play every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 Just as we did in league one (signing players good enough for the Championship) any players we now sign should be good enough for the Prem. As mentioned the 3 key signings we probably need will be a CB, CM & CF all of whom should be able to cut it at Prem level. I dont think much else is required as the majority of our team is currently at Championship level already. If you added those 3 signings to Lallana, AOC, Morgan & Fonte who probably will all be Prem level within a couple of years you have the making of a team to challenge promotion. For me those who are good enough for the Championshiip but not the Prem would be: Lambert, Barnard, Forte, Hammond, Chappers, Radhi, Seabourne, Butters, Richardson, Harding, Davis Those who might yet develop/prove able, to make the step up to Prem level: Gobern, Mills, Dickson, Guly, Martin, Stephens, Bart However, great that it is to speculate on this, we are still not done and dusted at L1 yet, so lets just all prey we get out of this frankly pants league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 but think most of players they bought in were lower league players, or players who had been out of loan to several clubs - they didn't go for signing names Surman and Ward were both good captures though, keeper came from Everton.Think there is another one who came from a prem club,it was good recruitment,no idea how much it cost though...not a lot perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 keeper played once for Everton, most appearances were 5 years ago for Cambridge, was playing for Motherwell last season, Crewe season before. They have shown don't need "names" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 to have a chance at the playoffs....we would need.. A very good CB A very good CM another winger a good striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 I think that the current team if they stay together will be vastly improved just by having some proper coaching post & pre season from Adkins I am sure he is the sort of boss who will insist that the players have a training program to follow while they are on summer hols, can see him telling rickie if he wants to eat 10 lb burgers he has to then run about 25miles to burn off the calories not do a mlt & just get a bigger sized kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 plus Millwall, were no better than us really last season, have strengthened less than us since then and are near play offs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfclegend Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 why would you say Gobern, and not even put cover? he's a sh*te. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 - Danny Butterfield has played 350 Championship games - Dan Harding and Frazer Richardson both have played nearly 100 Championship games - Joseph Mills is currently playing as a regular in the Championship - Ryan Dickson, although little in the way of experience at Championship, he has done little wrong and has potential I knew you would post that you boring boring person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 why would you say Gobern, and not even put cover? he's a sh*te. Numpty alert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 I reckon we'll sign 2 or 3 decent players in the Summer, financed by AOC's transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 We should stick with young potential we have in defence particularly at the moment as we have let way too many players go in recent years who are now regulars in the Prem and CCC for other sides. You could make a team out of them alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 (edited) For championship I reckon these players are worth keeping: Reckon we would need to buy to go up again : Right back possibly Left back possibly Another centre back like jaidi but younger At least one centre mid as hammond and defo chaplow not good enough. Another class centre forward possibly I think that we should keep the vast majority of the present squad, but with Puncheon def to go. Likwise Pulis and Mills. I think it's 50/50 if AOC will go, but N'Guessan won't be staying unless he gets fit enough to do a Forte from the sub.bench in the next 6 games. Connolly and Holmes have had a terrible season (injury wise) but are both worth one more season to see. Jaidi has been a tower in the centre and should also stay one more year whilst we look for a " clone " to replace him. I agree we need ANOTHER midfielder, especially considering my above comments on Punch and AOC. If Jimmy Case still a registered player? (JOKE !)..but he'd was a great figure. preferred an experienced midfielder as captain. YES we need another striker. The stories about the return of James Beattie sound like a verse from Old Lang Syne, but nice as the thought maybe to some . I'd go for someone a bit younger..with international experience. ANYONE who says our squad will be too big..should recall the injury crisises we've had this season. No squad is too big, it might boost the wage bill, but we can't be consolidating our place in CCC when we've got back up...or even going for promotion again. PLUS we have several Academy lads on the brink. Nuff said ! Edited 12 April, 2011 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 I knew you would post that you boring boring person. Is it not true then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 12 April, 2011 Share Posted 12 April, 2011 Is it not true then? Fannie played over 300 prem games Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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