thegaffer Posted 5 May, 2011 Share Posted 5 May, 2011 how many season tickets do you think we will sell. I think I'm right in saying last seson when Norwich were promoted they shifted 25,000 before the season started. Now if we signed a couple of high profile players before they went on sale maybe we could get near that figure as well. Would be great to have near full houses in the Championship every home game. I'm sure the crowds at Carrow Road have been a big infulence on some of the late goals Norwich have scored this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 5 May, 2011 Share Posted 5 May, 2011 Out of interest, does anyone know how many we had when we were in the premiership roughly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 5 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 5 May, 2011 I thought it was around the 22,000 markOut of interest, does anyone know how many we had when we were in the premiership roughly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 5 May, 2011 Share Posted 5 May, 2011 19,742 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 5 May, 2011 Share Posted 5 May, 2011 I think I'm right in saying last seson when Norwich were promoted they shifted 25,000 before the season started. Norwich are a fine example of how to treat your fans. The season they were relegated from the Prem with us they heavily discounted their Season Tickets - around half of the prices charged at SMS if I remember correctly. By doing that they ensured they kept the fans onboard and have continued to offer very good 'Early Bird' deals since. If the cost of our STs doesn't rise too dramatically this season I can see us matching our average Premiership ST take-up which was around 22,000 - too high an increase will see it slightly less but still well up on last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 5 May, 2011 Share Posted 5 May, 2011 I thought it was around the 22,000 mark Cheers. On that basis I'd go for between 18,000 to 19,000 next season. It'd be great to get 25k+ but if we couldn't get that many in the prem, I don't see where they'd suddenly come from now? I think we'd need a few years of good solid progress before we see a significant increase in numbers, certainly to get more than we had in the prem would be a massive surprise. But will depend on season ticket prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 5 May, 2011 Share Posted 5 May, 2011 Norwich are a fine example of how to treat your fans. The season they were relegated from the Prem with us they heavily discounted their Season Tickets - around half of the prices charged at SMS if I remember correctly. By doing that they ensured they kept the fans onboard and have continued to offer very good 'Early Bird' deals since. When they went down to League One, they also offered fans a 20% rebate if they wanted it. One of the directors then said that for all those who don't apply for the rebate, he would donate the equivalent money to the club, which would be ringfenced for the playing squad. He eventually put in about £300k, which allowed them to buy Grant Holt. They've not done too badly out of that deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 5 May, 2011 Share Posted 5 May, 2011 Well after how the club announced the ST details last season, I hope its done alot earlier and better organised this season!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 5 May, 2011 Share Posted 5 May, 2011 I reckon/hope we will sell over 21k maybe even up to 24k. There is a real buzz about the place, with plenty more good news on the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 5 May, 2011 Share Posted 5 May, 2011 I hope we sell more than 22k. all depends on price though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 5 May, 2011 Share Posted 5 May, 2011 I think we'll sell about 20k but as has been mentioned, it all depends on the price for new and renewals and if the installment plan returns or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 5 May, 2011 Share Posted 5 May, 2011 Norwich is a unique case, it is not that big a City and much of their support travel large distances to games.This has always meant people have bought season tickets because historically they could not buy match tickets game by game without a lot of effort. I believe Ipswich is the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 5 May, 2011 Share Posted 5 May, 2011 Norwich is a unique case, it is not that big a City and much of their support travel large distances to games.This has always meant people have bought season tickets because historically they could not buy match tickets game by game without a lot of effort. I believe Ipswich is the same sorry mate that's rubbish, they are no different to us but are very well supported combined with excellent prices and incentives, hopefully we can also offer such deals and actually act like a club who wants season ticket holders this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 May, 2011 Share Posted 5 May, 2011 about 15000-18000 imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 5 May, 2011 Share Posted 5 May, 2011 sorry mate that's rubbish, they are no different to us but are very well supported combined with excellent prices and incentives, hopefully we can also offer such deals and actually act like a club who wants season ticket holders this year. when ever i have been to games in Norwich/Ipswich there have been more coaches bringing in home supporters than away fans you may be right about the ticketing prices etc and i am sure the transport was subbed by the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 5 May, 2011 Share Posted 5 May, 2011 21,500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 5 May, 2011 Share Posted 5 May, 2011 when ever i have been to games in Norwich/Ipswich there have been more coaches bringing in home supporters than away fans you may be right about the ticketing prices etc and i am sure the transport was subbed by the club They do have transport bringing people in from local towns, but we have just as many from catchment area but they drive / use public transport. I had a mate try and buy a season ticket week after first game of the season at full price and was refused, what sort of club treats its fans like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 5 May, 2011 Share Posted 5 May, 2011 I reckon Cortese actively discouraged season ticket sales in the last close season because he wants the higher income from fans buying tickets on a match by match basis. If he makes it so difficult to buy a season ticket again (no instalment plan, very narrow purchasing window, limited publicity, no half season tickets etc), I reckon there won't be a big increase in season ticket sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 5 May, 2011 Share Posted 5 May, 2011 if the pricing is right my credit card might need to be used early sale date would mean paid for before sept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 5 May, 2011 Share Posted 5 May, 2011 I'd love to get one but can't afford the cost of getting to southampton every other week but hopefully will be able to for the season after! (half hope were still in the NPC so I don;t look like a glory hunter!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 so once again it looks like we will have no season ticket details or marketing at the last game of the season. really is completely illogical in my opinion, any club that WANTED to sell season tickets would be using this opportunity infront of 32k people to advertise what is available and at what price. it does annoy me how complacent / uninterested the club it when it comes to season ticket holders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 Fair play to Hartlepool: http://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10326~2353499,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 so once again it looks like we will have no season ticket details or marketing at the last game of the season. really is completely illogical in my opinion, any club that WANTED to sell season tickets would be using this opportunity infront of 32k people to advertise what is available and at what price. it does annoy me how complacent / uninterested the club it when it comes to season ticket holders. just like last season when the doom mongers were predicting low crowds etc...those who want ST will get one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 Fair play to Hartlepool: http://www.hartlepoolunited.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10326~2353499,00.html brilliant initiative and fair play to them, i hope they get to 4000 season ticket holders which they should do at that price, i have mates at other clubs around the country and many have already renewed for next year at various clubs at good prices, rewarding their loyalty, Reading have offered some excellent deals, walsall away back in 1st March were used the PA announement to thank fans who had already renewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 just like last season when the doom mongers were predicting low crowds etc...those who want ST will get one Well I'm sure it doesn't really matter to you as you won't be getting one. Can sort of understand them waiting until promotion is sealed, but hopefully they'll be an announcement pretty soon, I'm guessing within the next week. Know of a few people who tried to buy tickets in the first week of last season and were knocked back. Reckon we could have sold s**t loads of half season tickets as well. I guess the club must have made a fortune with some of the crowds and the amounts paying full price every other week.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 Well I'm sure it doesn't really matter to you as you won't be getting one. Can sort of understand them waiting until promotion is sealed, but hopefully they'll be an announcement pretty soon, I'm guessing within the next week. Know of a few people who tried to buy tickets in the first week of last season and were knocked back. Reckon we could have sold s**t loads of half season tickets as well. I guess the club must have made a fortune with some of the crowds and the amounts paying full price every other week.... no you are right.. I will mostly be in the middle east for queen and country. you are such a super fan.. as for the 2nd bit..just as well considering the wages and cost of our promotion outfit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 Well after how the club announced the ST details last season, I hope its done alot earlier and better organised this season!! It's already not early enough, a load of clubs have had 2011/12 ST deals out there for ages. Stoke had been selling theirs for months already when we went there to see them beat Brighton in the FA Cup and they're having a banner season, Brighton themselves as we know have got their new ground and a huge chunk of their total STs already confirmed. Arsenal and Man U have done theirs - not sure why we're so "special". Even Aston Villa, who haven't launched their ST prices yet, said in April "we'll tell you in May". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 so once again it looks like we will have no season ticket details or marketing at the last game of the season. really is completely illogical in my opinion, any club that WANTED to sell season tickets would be using this opportunity infront of 32k people to advertise what is available and at what price. it does annoy me how complacent / uninterested the club it when it comes to season ticket holders. Agree. I could see that we might have been waiting until we knew which division we'd be in, but surely all should have been ready to roll immediately after the plymouth game, to use the feelgood factor. It does indeed make you wonder whether we want to sell many STs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 no you are right.. I will mostly be in the middle east for queen and country. you are such a super fan.. as for the 2nd bit..just as well considering the wages and cost of our promotion outfit the very fact that this issue clearly doesn't effect you in any way should mean you either give the subject a swerve, or emphasise with fans who actually do buy season tickets year in year out, i'd love to see us match Brighton with their 16k season ticket holders, and Norwich who had 18k sold by the time their promotion from league one was confirmed. Saints do not want season ticket holders, cortese wants fans paying each home game = more money out of fans pockets, simple as that, we are a cash cow to be milked, I can see us going down the QPR route of £35 tickets for some games, f*ck that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 (edited) the very fact that this issue clearly doesn't effect you in any way should mean you either give the subject a swerve, or emphasise with fans who actually do buy season tickets year in year out, i'd love to see us match Brighton with their 16k season ticket holders, and Norwich who had 18k sold by the time their promotion from league one was confirmed. Saints do not want season ticket holders, cortese wants fans paying each home game = more money out of fans pockets, simple as that, we are a cash cow to be milked, I can see us going down the QPR route of £35 tickets for some games, f*ck that. if we all gave a subject a swerve that did not effect us, we would all post on about 4 threads...how many threads do you post on..? you are free not to go also....if you cant afford it...did you bear that in mind..? **** it...I am going to get a ST ticket...regardless of the fact I will hardly use it due to work...then you and people like sour mash can throw your superstar fandom up your arses Edited 6 May, 2011 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 if we all gave a subject a swerve that did not effect us, we would all post on about 4 threads...how many threads do you post on..? you are free not to go also....if you cant afford it...did you bear that in mind..? yeah thats the spirit mate, lets just tell people who have been going through our league one years bad luck chaps, we are going to price you out now. i know it will happen eventually, just not so cynically, the delayed tactics and lack of marketing to limit the number of season tickets sold is such a strange business plan it just annoys me. i'd like us to have 30k every game next season and the best atmosphere in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Shearer Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 I think about 16k-18k for season tickets. I'm tempted to get one again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 no you are right.. I will mostly be in the middle east for queen and country. you are such a super fan.. as for the 2nd bit..just as well considering the wages and cost of our promotion outfit Glad we're in agreement........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 if we all gave a subject a swerve that did not effect us, we would all post on about 4 threads...how many threads do you post on..? you are free not to go also....if you cant afford it...did you bear that in mind..? **** it...I am going to get a ST ticket...regardless of the fact I will hardly use it due to work...then you and people like sour mash can throw your superstar fandom up your arses Oh stop crying you twerp, or tell us more about what a hero you're going to be over in the middle east, I found that interesting and relevant to the thread.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 I would be surprised if the season ticket numbers were greatly up on this season's number. There will still be very few games that would sell out (Cheats FC, Leeds, West Ham if they come down), so people won't need a season ticket to get in to the vast majority of games. I would still expect a lot of people to be picking and choosing the games they go to, there hasn't been a sudden upturn in the economy to make people feel more secure about their future financial well-being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 It's already not early enough, a load of clubs have had 2011/12 ST deals out there for ages. Stoke had been selling theirs for months already when we went there to see them beat Brighton in the FA Cup and they're having a banner season, Brighton themselves as we know have got their new ground and a huge chunk of their total STs already confirmed. Arsenal and Man U have done theirs - not sure why we're so "special". Even Aston Villa, who haven't launched their ST prices yet, said in April "we'll tell you in May". Thing is don't think we'd want to sell STs twice in 1 financial year.As we only started selling them in July last year selling them now may cause accounting problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 no you are right.. I will mostly be in the middle east for queen and country. you are such a super fan.. as for the 2nd bit..just as well considering the wages and cost of our promotion outfit And you're superman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 They do have transport bringing people in from local towns, but we have just as many from catchment area but they drive / use public transport. I had a mate try and buy a season ticket week after first game of the season at full price and was refused, what sort of club treats its fans like that? If it's me you meant mate I went to the ticket office at 9am on the opening day of the season with cash to buy 6 STs but was told I was "too late". The lads I was buying for are mostly self employed so without their STs they've been doing cash jobs on sats instead and have prob done 4 games each on ave, I've prob only done 13/14 myself. Still scratching my head at the clubs decision there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 Thing is don't think we'd want to sell STs twice in 1 financial year.As we only started selling them in July last year selling them now may cause accounting problems. That's about the weakest reason I've seen given so far... cashflow is cashflow whether it goes into 2010 or 2011, who cares how it's presented in the accounts (at least until the FL, Prem and UEFA start penalising teams for it) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 If it's me you meant mate I went to the ticket office at 9am on the opening day of the season with cash to buy 6 STs but was told I was "too late". The lads I was buying for are mostly self employed so without their STs they've been doing cash jobs on sats instead and have prob done 4 games each on ave, I've prob only done 13/14 myself. Still scratching my head at the clubs decision there.... In an attempt to work out the financial thinking, are you able to answer a couple of questions so we can have a look at the maths of this for your (admittedly small) "sample" ? How much would 6 STs have cost, and how many home matches at full price (plus booking fee) did those 6 people then attend instead this season (including Walsall tomorrow)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 I think it's all about getting fans committed with a season ticket. If you've got one you'll generally go on those cold winter nights against some no-mark club when if you haven't it's all to easy to "give that one a miss". If you can guarantee full-houses it's more financially beneficial for a club to discourage ST holders but for most it's far better to get fans "on the bus" from the off. It also looks good for a club's prestige to boast of massive season ticket numbers sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 I would be surprised if the season ticket numbers were greatly up on this season's number. There will still be very few games that would sell out (Cheats FC, Leeds, West Ham if they come down), so people won't need a season ticket to get in to the vast majority of games. I would still expect a lot of people to be picking and choosing the games they go to, there hasn't been a sudden upturn in the economy to make people feel more secure about their future financial well-being. On the other hand, games like the skates away will be linked to having a ST (+away games). Of course, if it was a dark conspiracy by the club to sell as many matchday tickets as possible instead of STs, they would get rid of this condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 That's about the weakest reason I've seen given so far... cashflow is cashflow whether it goes into 2010 or 2011, who cares how it's presented in the accounts (at least until the FL, Prem and UEFA start penalising teams for it) ? Only going by last year, don't think we actualy sold any STs before 1st July,ie at the start of the new financial year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 Oh stop crying you twerp, or tell us more about what a hero you're going to be over in the middle east, I found that interesting and relevant to the thread.......... Well, I'm going to get a ST too. I'm now a supa dupa. The times I do go, I will probably wave my ST at your direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Lindford Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 I thought it was around the 22,000 mark Think we only reached that number in one season of the PL. Reckon the average in the PL was around 16-18k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 That's about the weakest reason I've seen given so far... cashflow is cashflow whether it goes into 2010 or 2011, who cares how it's presented in the accounts (at least until the FL, Prem and UEFA start penalising teams for it) ? The actual time period when season ticket money is taken should be irrelevant. Standard accounting practices dictate that revenue and expenditure is accounted for within the financial period that the product or service is relevant, i.e. if money was taken this side of June 30th, it would still appear in the 2011/12 financial accounts. The only entry on the 2010/11 accounts would be for pre-payments on the balance sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 The only entry on the 2010/11 accounts would be for pre-payments on the balance sheet. Deferred Income young man, not pre-payments!!!! LOL. But on a serious basis, I have to agree that Norwich are a model that clubs should look at when considering season ticket sales and keeping their supporters onside and engaged (apart from when they lose at home to Colchester 7-1 or something!!). We seemed a bit hit and miss last season with regards season tickets, with most of the issues already outlined above and although promotion (or not) has put a spanner in the works I'm hoping this season is somewhat smoother and attractive for us supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 the very fact that this issue clearly doesn't effect you in any way should mean you either give the subject a swerve, or emphasise with fans who actually do buy season tickets year in year out, i'd love to see us match Brighton with their 16k season ticket holders, and Norwich who had 18k sold by the time their promotion from league one was confirmed. Saints do not want season ticket holders, cortese wants fans paying each home game = more money out of fans pockets, simple as that, we are a cash cow to be milked, I can see us going down the QPR route of £35 tickets for some games, f*ck that. We will sell well over 20k. If saints didn't want season ticket holders, they wouldn't sell them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 6 May, 2011 Share Posted 6 May, 2011 It would help if fans had some expectation of when they need to get the money ready to pay for the ST each season, instead of having this guessing game! But I think STs should be on sale next week, to cash in on the feel good factor of promotion. And we should aim for 20,000+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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