studentsaint Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 People tend to see football players as one dimensional. Lee is pacey, has a great work ethic so would track back, scored a great goal against derby from the inside left position, linked up well with Lambert everytime he played last year. The most logical type of player to bring in would be someone who would give sunderlands poor defence no time on the ball, that's lee. When have you seen him play in that position with the quality of our first team around him and in our system everyone is interchangeable, so we don't want a wide left player more an inside forward.Shoot me down if you actually have a better idea for lallanas replacement but Rodriguez is never a left winger as we found out to our expense earlier this season, guly has only ever done anything for us as a second striker, Ramirez has to play in the hole, how can you waste the talents of our best player on the wing? Options are limited but we need the best make shift. Can Reeves play there, probably a good understanding with Shaw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 People tend to see football players as one dimensional. Lee is pacey, has a great work ethic so would track back, scored a great goal against derby from the inside left position, linked up well with Lambert everytime he played last year. The most logical type of player to bring in would be someone who would give sunderlands poor defence no time on the ball, that's lee. When have you seen him play in that position with the quality of our first team around him and in our system everyone is interchangeable, so we don't want a wide left player more an inside forward.Shoot me down if you actually have a better idea for lallanas replacement but Rodriguez is never a left winger as we found out to our expense earlier this season, guly has only ever done anything for us as a second striker, Ramirez has to play in the hole, how can you waste the talents of our best player on the wing? Options are limited but we need the best make shift. Can Reeves play there, probably a good understanding with Shaw? Is Lallana wasted out on the left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 December, 2012 Ergh god. Why would Lee get a go in front of any of Guly, J-Rod, Mayuka, Reeves, Davis, JWP. He has barely played since Jan/Feb, he only played for about 2 months before and scored what...1 goal?! I'm not writing him off, but if he's not getting in the first team squad, why would we suddenly throw him into start a game we need to hit the ground running? Also probably wouldn't have the understanding with the rest of the squad as he's not played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 Wouldn't bother me if we had Reeves and Shaw down the left. Reeves looked mustard for the U21s the other night. Lee would be ok as well. So would Gaston, with Jay up front with Lambert. Good that we've got options. It would be great if another young player made his mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 Wouldn't surprise me If Steven Davis played further forward in one of the upcoming games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/sunderland-afc/safc-news/sunderland-boss-no-excuses-1-5245389 Martin O'Neill comes across in this as a tad patronising towards Lambert and even, I would suggest, towards Saints. Rickie knows what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 Can't see that O'Neil has said anything about Lambert which isn't true. Did you want him to say that he's as good as RVP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 December, 2012 http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/sunderland-afc/safc-news/sunderland-boss-no-excuses-1-5245389 Martin O'Neill comes across in this as a tad patronising towards Lambert and even, I would suggest, towards Saints. Rickie knows what to do. I'd say that it probably depends on the tone of what's said. That could be read either way IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/sunderland-afc/safc-news/sunderland-boss-no-excuses-1-5245389 Martin O'Neill comes across in this as a tad patronising towards Lambert and even, I would suggest, towards Saints. Rickie knows what to do. have no idea what you are on about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 Can't see that O'Neil has said anything about Lambert which isn't true. Did you want him to say that he's as good as RVP? Of course not. That would be silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 I'd say that it probably depends on the tone of what's said. That could be read either way IMO. You are right it could be read both ways though it seems customary for Managers to be outwardly complimentary of opposing teams in pre-match interviews and this just seemed a little patronising to me. It seemed to me Lambert was being damned with faint praise. There's the lazy comparison again with Grant Holt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 have no idea what you are on about... I'd have been disappointed if you had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 December, 2012 You are right it could be read both ways though it seems customary for Managers to be outwardly complimentary of opposing teams in pre-match interviews and this just seemed a little patronising to me. It seemed to me Lambert was being damned with faint praise. There's the lazy comparison again with Grant Holt Just about as expected then! It's an easy answer which is already into the public domain so it's not going to get any kind of reaction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 Just about as expected then! It's an easy answer which is already into the public domain so it's not going to get any kind of reaction! Not really. I think he's better than Holt and doing more than just a job in the PL and I'm not alone in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 December, 2012 Not really. I think he's better than Holt and doing more than just a job in the PL and I'm not alone in that. I totally agree. I think he is a far better all round player, however the amount of articles i've read in relation to that comparison is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 Not really. I think he's better than Holt and doing more than just a job in the PL and I'm not alone in that. He didn't compare him to Holt, only in relation to them both being late starters in the premier league after doing well for so long in the lower leagues and that in the premier league you come up against different types players every week. If you take the Holt reference away, there is nothing there which is even remotely patronising or disrespectful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 He didn't compare him to Holt, only in relation to them both being late starters in the premier league after doing well for so long in the lower leagues and that in the premier league you come up against different types players every week. If you take the Holt reference away, there is nothing there which is even remotely patronising or disrespectful. But the Holt reference is there. Jeeze this is a strange forum sometimes. Happy Christmas anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 But the Holt reference is there. Jeeze this is a strange forum sometimes. Happy Christmas anyway. Not really mate, if you post an opinion about an article which others don't agree with, can they not say anything? That would be an even stranger forum wouldn't it? Happy Christmas to you too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 any updated on their injuries? fletcher, johnson, bardsley and rose all potentially out. So probably their two best players and both fullbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 any updated on their injuries? fletcher, johnson, bardsley and rose all potentially out. So probably their two best players and both fullbacks. Sounds like Fletcher, Johnson and Rose are fit - not sure on Bardsley, think he might be longer term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 December, 2012 any updated on their injuries? fletcher, johnson, bardsley and rose all potentially out. So probably their two best players and both fullbacks. All got late fitness tests I think. Would be handy if they were out however I fully expect them all to start against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintWill71 Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 I think it will be the same lineup as Reading, with Ramirez starting instead of Lallana of course. Agreed. Hoping so as to see J-Rod get another go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 I expect MON to load the midfield and rely upon Fletcher to nick a goal. MON sides are usually set up soundly and fight for every inch of turf. I just hope they have some injury hang overs. Sunderland could easily pull this one off, it will be down to Adkins tactics in making sure they don't. As long as we match them up in midfield we have a decent chance being the home side and Ramirez to pull the strings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studentsaint Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 Is Lallana wasted out on the left? As a wide midfielder I don't think that applies. Lallana is a winger, Ramirez is not, completely different players. Non argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 As a wide midfielder I don't think that applies. Lallana is a winger, Ramirez is not, completely different players. Non argument. Non argument? Very arrogant post Ramirez was a left winger for Pernol and Bologna before he moved to a more central position. Him and lallana are actually similar in that sense, it wasn't that long ago that Lallana was playing in a more central position for us. They can both do a job central or wide. We don't play with out and out wingers anyway so I don't really know what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 Here is the Match Preview on the Sunderland game for those interested in a read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 Non argument? Very arrogant post Ramirez was a left winger for Pernol and Bologna before he moved to a more central position. Him and lallana are actually similar in that sense, it wasn't that long ago that Lallana was playing in a more central position for us. They can both do a job central or wide. We don't play with out and out wingers anyway so I don't really know what you are talking about. For once I agree with the Digster here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 21 December, 2012 Share Posted 21 December, 2012 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/9762263/Southampton-striker-Rickie-Lamberts-new-lease-of-life-comes-from-living-like-a-saint.html Nice one on Lambert here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Non argument? Very arrogant post Ramirez was a left winger for Pernol and Bologna before he moved to a more central position. Him and lallana are actually similar in that sense, it wasn't that long ago that Lallana was playing in a more central position for us. They can both do a job central or wide. We don't play with out and out wingers anyway so I don't really know what you are talking about. It's not up for discussion, so shut up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 It's not up for discussion, so shut up! It's a non argument tokyo. The mungboard is all about absolute statements these days. Don't question a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 2 weeks of bickering and nervousness comes to a head in 14 hours, so excited for once! (instead of the usual nervousness) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadia Sllim Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 4-2 Saints @ 66-1 HAppy Christmas all Saints fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint137 Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 More heavy rain, potential for it to be off? Seem to recall the only postponement we've ever had at St Marys was for a waterlogged pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Not really mate, if you post an opinion about an article which others don't agree with, can they not say anything? That would be an even stranger forum wouldn't it? Happy Christmas to you too. LOL. Calm down...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWTSGMI Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 More heavy rain, potential for it to be off? Seem to recall the only postponement we've ever had at St Marys was for a waterlogged pitch It was due to pass before KO which would have given a fighting chance of getting the pitch ready. According to the Met Office now it's heavy rain all day with an amber warning. Very real chance this could get called off IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 whilst most of the discussion is about the selection of Lallana's " replacement ", let's not forget that this is a big game for Kelvin Davis, too. After the savage treatment he received from the Sunderland fans in his time there, it's time for him to exorcise that " personal spook " in his career...with a clean sheet. In his 6 years at SMS, he has shown loyalty, and consistancy and has become a role-model as a good club man. Well done Kev. It's true that a keeper can only be as good as the defence in front of him and TBF.....in his time at Sund'land, he had a pretty " ropey " line in front of him and shouldn't be blamed for everything that went wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 whilst most of the discussion is about the selection of Lallana's " replacement ", let's not forget that this is a big game for Kelvin Davis, too. After the savage treatment he received from the Sunderland fans in his time there, it's time for him to exorcise that " personal spook " in his career...with a clean sheet. In his 6 years at SMS, he has shown loyalty, and consistancy and has become a role-model as a good club man. Well done Kev. It's true that a keeper can only be as good as the defence in front of him and TBF.....in his time at Sund'land, he had a pretty " ropey " line in front of him and shouldn't be blamed for everything that went wrong. I've got a feeling Boruc will start. He was in all the Saints player training vids from Thursday, so seems very much involved still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 (edited) I've got a feeling Boruc will start. He was in all the Saints player training vids from Thursday, so seems very much involved still. That means little, Gazzaniga, Boruc and Davis are all in those videos. Boruc was also in the training videos in the build up to the Reading game and was on the bench, he was in pre-match training videos before the Norwich game and wasn't on the bench but did the warm down after the game finished with the other unused players. Edited 22 December, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 More heavy rain, potential for it to be off? Seem to recall the only postponement we've ever had at St Marys was for a waterlogged pitch Why is no-one else troubled bout the weird adverts that is suddenly plaguing this place? Over the past few days I've had pap selling me books bout dogs, kraken selling me Arsenal and now Saint137 is on here selling playstation games! I'm starting to think this is the apocalypse the Gayones predicted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Now I'm selling computer systems! Heaven save us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 That means little, Gazzaniga, Boruc and Davis are all in those videos. Boruc was also in the training videos in the build up to the Reading game and was on the bench, he was in pre-match training videos before the Norwich game and wasn't on the bench but did the warm down after the game finished with the other unused players. He just seemed heavily involved. We'll have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Why is no-one else troubled bout the weird adverts that is suddenly plaguing this place? Over the past few days I've had pap selling me books bout dogs, kraken selling me Arsenal and now Saint137 is on here selling playstation games! I'm starting to think this is the apocalypse the Gayones predicted! Did it happen at 11.11am? It has been as dark as night here since then, so guessing it has. S^£&, and I was up in hospitality for this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Think this is a record - 3 members of Dubai Saints at a home game. Gonna be quiet down the pub today (thank The Lord) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 3-1 to Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 FFS just found out the game is on Abu Dhabi Channel 9 which for 90% of the region is Animal Planet. That is the 3rd Game this season that we cannot see in the pub. Grumble Groan Thank God says my Liver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 officialsaints: Saints team: K. Davis, Clyne, Fonte ©, Yoshida, Shaw, Puncheon, Schneiderlin, Cork, Ramírez, Lambert, Mayuka. #saintsfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Boom Mayuka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 The riddler on the bench ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 Saints substitutes: Boruc (GK), S. Davis, Rodriguez, Guly, Richardson, De Ridder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 22 December, 2012 Share Posted 22 December, 2012 A chance for Mayuka from the start. Good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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