Pancake Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/3987931.Saints_given_home_grown_boost/ Interesting stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 interesting indeed to see how it transpires, will it be just kids warming the bench though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 Surly the only way our policy of playing youth will only benifit us if we are the only club doing it and therefor attracting the best youth to us? If every club have to play youth then the kids will have more choice of what club to go to as they will have the same chances of getting 1st team football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 To be honest, I see this rule having very little effect on any club. Basically any player who has been in England since they were 18, whether they've come through their current club's youth structure or not and whether they're a UK national or not, counts as one of the four players. I would hazard a guess that that would actually cover the majority of players in the Championship, not the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 To be honest, I see this rule having very little effect on any club. Basically any player who has been in England since they were 18, whether they've come through their current club's youth structure or not and whether they're a UK national or not, counts as one of the four players. I would hazard a guess that that would actually cover the majority of players in the Championship, not the minority. Yeah I don't think it will affect anyone. I think the idea though is that it's a foot in the door. They plan to increase the amount of players to a point where it actually will make a difference, but knew that if they tried to make it say 8 players straight away it wouldn't get voted through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 When they say "home grown" what do they mean exactly? Do they mean a club can buy a youngster (lets say Arsenal and they buy Theo) from another club and he becomes one of their home grown players? It should be home grown as in came through the club. It is good that they are looking at things like this but i think we would all prefer it if they looked at ways to make it more equal i.e salary caps and so on. This rule wont change too much by the looks of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 I thought it read that a club had to include 4 players that had been on there books for at least 3 years before there 18th birthday. Dont think it stretches to the Prem as yet. If it is how I read it then it will surly effect more clubs but like i said before it doesnt make our club as exclussive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 I thought it read that a club had to include 4 players that had been on there books for at least 3 years before there 18th birthday. Dont think it stretches to the Prem as yet. If it is how I read it then it will surly effect more clubs but like i said before it doesnt make our club as exclussive. Must have been registered with the CLUB for at least 3 years before 21st birthday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 Must have been registered with the CLUB for at least 3 years before 21st birthday. So Walcott is an Arsenal homegrown and Bale a Tottenham one. Just been on the news that if they try to impose the rule on the Prem there would be legal action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 Must have been registered with the CLUB for at least 3 years before 21st birthday. Not just with the club theyre at, any club as long as its in England. I doubt this affects anyone unless Arsenal get relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 Not just with the club theyre at, any club as long as its in England. I doubt this affects anyone unless Arsenal get relegated. It wouldn't affect them either. The likes of Fabregas have been at the club since they were 14/15. It doesn't make a blind bit of difference whether they're English or Iraqi, it's the age that's the key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 The rule, as portrayed, seems utterly pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 The rule, as portrayed, seems utterly pointless. The only point, as far as I can see it, is as a PR exercise. It portrays the Football League in a positive light in that it's ramming home the notion that its member clubs are dedicated to bringing through young players from an early age rather than just going for the "cheap" option of importing a ready-made player from abroad. It also allows the likes of Barry Fry to go on Sky Sports News saying "I've always said there are too many foreigners in the game, and this is something to redress the balance" etc, which is clearly complete ********. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 Not just with the club theyre at, any club as long as its in England. I doubt this affects anyone unless Arsenal get relegated. I understand it is registered for three seasons prior to 21 with the club. Not a number of clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 So Walcott is an Arsenal homegrown and Bale a Tottenham one. Just been on the news that if they try to impose the rule on the Prem there would be legal action. Not until they have been registered three seasons prior to 21 with Arsenal or Tottenham. This rule applies to the football league. If EUFA/FIFA get Euro approval a similar rule will be imposed. Clubs have signed a declaration which is binding, allowing them to be incorporated, that they cannot take legal action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 I understand it is registered for three seasons prior to 21 with the club. Not a number of clubs. That would make more sense but it isn't how this is being reported. :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 There is a suggestion that this is just the start and the the numbers of home grown players in the squad will gradually increase. Perhaps Lowe was ahead of the game all along? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 There is a suggestion that this is just the start and the the numbers of home grown players in the squad will gradually increase. Perhaps Lowe was ahead of the game all along? But how will that benefit us? It just means bigger, more ambitious clubs will put more energy in getting "home grown" (whatever that actually means) players. It's not as though we're going to steal a march on people by having the quota upped to 9 overnight. Lowe plays his own game anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Shot Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 There is a suggestion that this is just the start and the the numbers of home grown players in the squad will gradually increase. Perhaps Lowe was ahead of the game all along? But until you get off your soap box and go to actually watch Saints play LIVE you will never know. You know you prefer reality tv on a sat night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 There is a suggestion that this is just the start and the the numbers of home grown players in the squad will gradually increase. Perhaps Lowe was ahead of the game all along? That's what EUFA and FIFA want but I think they have different agendas (no change there). It might work against us though, because we wouldn't be able to sale too many of our homegrown youngsters or we might infringe the laws. Especially if they go to 7 or 8 in the matchday squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 I think the squad size is getting larger now, 18 in FA Cup and I think Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 18 in the Premiership as well now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 18 in the Premiership as well now. Certainly workable then, MU and Arsenal would be fine but a lot of the others would struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 This is one of those completely non-event stories. Mawhinney is bigging up a rule that will have ZERO EFFECT on any club in the Football League. I would wager that almost every club in the Football League (note this does not apply to the Premier League) would meet this rule week-in week-out right now. 4 out of 16, its a complete joke. It has clearly been watered down to the lowest number that all clubs would accept. It will still be possible to field a complete team on the pitch with oversease players, as long as you have 4 home growns on the bench. Well whoopee-do. If Mawhinney had some bottle he would have at least insisted on 4 players on the pitch!!! And to be frank, this helps us no more than any other team. We continue to be deluded into thinking that this season we are blooding lots of our youngsters, the fact is we are playing 2 home-grown kids regularly who probably would not have otherwise played, Lallana and James. Surman is nearly 22 and would be an automatic choice in most CCC clubs, and McG is not a product of our youth system, he was transferred from Notts County. The rest of the team is made up of older players and loanees, or realtively expensive transfers in the case of Schneiderlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 This is one of those completely non-event stories. Mawhinney is bigging up a rule that will have ZERO EFFECT on any club in the Football League. I would wager that almost every club in the Football League (note this does not apply to the Premier League) would meet this rule week-in week-out right now. 4 out of 16, its a complete joke. It has clearly been watered down to the lowest number that all clubs would accept. It will still be possible to field a complete team on the pitch with oversease players, as long as you have 4 home growns on the bench. Well whoopee-do. If Mawhinney had some bottle he would have at least insisted on 4 players on the pitch!!! And to be frank, this helps us no more than any other team. We continue to be deluded into thinking that this season we are blooding lots of our youngsters, the fact is we are playing 2 home-grown kids regularly who probably would not have otherwise played, Lallana and James. Surman is nearly 22 and would be an automatic choice in most CCC clubs, and McG is not a product of our youth system, he was transferred from Notts County. The rest of the team is made up of older players and loanees, or realtively expensive transfers in the case of Schneiderlin. This is politics. It's Morewhiney [sic] getting his own back at Brooking!!!!! Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 December, 2008 Share Posted 18 December, 2008 This helps us how, exactly ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 19 December, 2008 Share Posted 19 December, 2008 It wouldn't affect them either. The likes of Fabregas have been at the club since they were 14/15. It doesn't make a blind bit of difference whether they're English or Iraqi, it's the age that's the key. Fabregas yes but nearly all the other havent been here since they were 18. They would be affected by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chap in the Chapel Posted 19 December, 2008 Share Posted 19 December, 2008 This is a ridiculous rule. As I've said before, it will prevent managers from picking their entire matchday squad solely on the basis of merit. I'm astonished that clubs voted in favour of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 19 December, 2008 Share Posted 19 December, 2008 Looks like the rule is very wishy washy. Players can be registered with any club domestically for three years. That means though that if young players haven't been registered for three years they don't count. For example Joe Mills, or any player under 20 by the looks of it. But probably Euell, Wotton etc would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 19 December, 2008 Share Posted 19 December, 2008 Total PR stunt and unless it applied to the Premier League - which it won't - it is meaningless. Most CCC squads easily fit this and even more so further down the Leagues. It won't be applied to the PL as Scudamore would fight it and anyway, there are clear EU Directives on restraint of trade and restriction of labour movement. Not even Lowe would be daft enough to claim that the FL are following his lead. For the record, if it WAS possible to implement in the PL I would actually be in favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 19 December, 2008 Share Posted 19 December, 2008 This is a ridiculous rule. As I've said before, it will prevent managers from picking their entire matchday squad solely on the basis of merit. I'm astonished that clubs voted in favour of this. If applied to last Saturday no team was affected. In the Premier only Liverpool who had three would have been affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExSt Peter Saint Posted 19 December, 2008 Share Posted 19 December, 2008 Our team on the last day of last season that kept us up would not have been ok. Of the 16, only Surman and Lallana would have been at the club for 3 years before 21. The others - Wright, Powell, Perry, Wright, Safri, Idiakez, Viafara, Euell, John, Saganowski, Davis, Pericard and Wright-Phillips do not fit into that category. Not saying anything aganst the selection - it did the job and kept us us and I do like the idea of promoting more home-grown talent, but I do think this shows something that would apply to a lot of clubs when they bring in a lot of players on short term deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 19 December, 2008 Share Posted 19 December, 2008 Our team on the last day of last season that kept us up would not have been ok. Of the 16, only Surman and Lallana would have been at the club for 3 years before 21. They don't have to have been at the club for three years before they are 21. They can have been at any club in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExSt Peter Saint Posted 19 December, 2008 Share Posted 19 December, 2008 I've just read up on it and am disappointed to see it doesn't mean they have to come from the club's own system - what a bloody waste of time, then. Who cares where you bought them from as whether it's North east of England or over the pond they're not "home-grown" are they? It would benefit the game and clubs like ours with f all money if it was from your own academy, but this is a pointless sham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilko Posted 19 December, 2008 Share Posted 19 December, 2008 Four is a cop out in my opinion. Should be higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 19 December, 2008 Share Posted 19 December, 2008 The whole idea of this is that it will be increased in the future to 6 or 8 or 9 or something. This is the just the beginning, and is a gradual start. It may not make any difference now, but it will do in time. Like someone else pointed out, if they went straight in with wanting 8 match day squad players, then the rule would not have gone through. So its not a cop out, it just gives everyone the chance to ready themselves for future increases gradually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Soze Posted 19 December, 2008 Share Posted 19 December, 2008 A waste of time IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 December, 2008 Share Posted 19 December, 2008 Fair play to Brighton who have stated they didn't vote for this as it was a waste of time and a cop out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 December, 2008 Share Posted 19 December, 2008 I don't think anyone can object to this: http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11101 being described as a right load of ********. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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