Leicestersaint Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 I see that he is starting today and playing as centre back. Good enough for Arsenal in that position - but not for Saints! I was saying last season that I thought he could be converted to be a CB but the great men running our club clearly did not agree. I think that out of all the players we lost this summer, Chambers is the one we should regret the most. What a huge error of judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 I was saying last season that I thought he could be converted to be a CB but the great men running our club clearly did not agree. What a huge error of judgement. Saints played Chambers as a centre back for the under 21's towards the end of last season when Clyne was keeping him out of the 1st team. Had one of the biggest clubs in World football not turned his head then he may well have played centre back for Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Saints played Chambers as a centre back for the under 21's towards the end of last season when Clyne was keeping him out of the 1st team. Had one of the biggest clubs in World football not turned his head then he may well have played centre back for Saints. we could have said no, this summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 I see that he is starting today and playing as centre back. Good enough for Arsenal in that position - but not for Saints! I was saying last season that I thought he could be converted to be a CB but the great men running our club clearly did not agree. I think that out of all the players we lost this summer, Chambers is the one we should regret the most. What a huge error of judgement. I agree. I think it should have been Chambers not Morgan being told they need to stay. If he can play well in CB then it would have been somewhat useful to have him now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 I see that he is starting today and playing as centre back. Good enough for Arsenal in that position - but not for Saints! I was saying last season that I thought he could be converted to be a CB but the great men running our club clearly did not agree. I think that out of all the players we lost this summer, Chambers is the one we should regret the most. What a huge error of judgement. Absolutely.. He is an immense talent. God knows what decision-making process the Board followed to result in selling him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Chambers won't be first choice at centre back when Koscielny and Mertesacker are fit, and he'll be pushed further down the pecking order when they bring in a replacement for Vermaelen. It's a real shame we let him go but I wouldn't use today's Arsenal lineup to indicate that he should have been a centre half for us last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Get this guy running the club. He clearly knows it all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Crab Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 I see that he is starting today and playing as centre back. Good enough for Arsenal in that position - but not for Saints! I was saying last season that I thought he could be converted to be a CB but the great men running our club clearly did not agree. I can't believe that the great men running our club didn't listen to Leicestersaint! Idiots! Why were they not looking at SaintsWeb to get tactical ideas? These so called 'great men' aren't great at all. They are stupid. What other stupid errors of judgement have they made after SaintsWeb posters had made it pretty obvious what they should do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Makes it a even bigger joke selling him, it just shows how little the people running our club know. But Let's see how he gets on in he pl at centre half first. However I have no doubt he will play a blinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Why don't people want Fonte in the lineup all of the sudden? He´s the best right sided CB we have, the position Chambers would play in too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 we could have said no, this summer Why if he did not want to play for us The only position he could play was Rb and Clyne is better than him so where was he to play surely not CB in the PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 (edited) Why if he did not want to play for us The only position he could play was Rb and Clyne is better than him so where was he to play surely not CB in the PL what was 18 year old, 20 game in his pro career do, had we said no? if the only position he could play was RB, why is he strutting it around wembley at CB for arsenal? Edited 10 August, 2014 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 what was 18 year old, 20 game in his pro career do, had we said no? Probably go on strike. Just like the others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 I'm sure the very nice and knowledgeable world class coach, Mr. MOPO knew Calum chambers best position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Probably go on strike. Just like the others really? no player actually went on strike, did they chambers had/has no gravitas in the game to do such a thing anyway, just another poor decision in a summer of many Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 So dropped a clanger selling him, looks excellent for arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 really? no player actually went on strike, did they chambers had/has no gravitas in the game to do such a thing anyway, just another poor decision in a summer of many Clearly they never gave this a second thought the fools. You and your ilk never fail to amaze me Delldays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Clearly they never gave this a second thought the fools. You and your ilk never fail to amaze me Delldays. I doubt they did. it was a sell everything that moves exercise, until the backlash started (if you believe KK Billy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 I doubt they did. it was a sell everything that moves exercise, until the backlash started (if you believe KK Billy) He has never suggested it is a 'sell everything that moves' exercise has he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 He has never suggested it is a 'sell everything that moves' exercise has he? he said that the club pulled the plug on the sale of morgan at the last min (and everyone else important) after the backlash and negative press from the sale of chambers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Waaaaahhh! Waaaaaaahh! What a bunch of f*cking babies. Grow up you colossal bunch of c*nts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Waaaaahhh! Waaaaaaahh! What a bunch of f*cking babies. Grow up you colossal bunch of c*nts great result for watford yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 he said that the club pulled the plug on the sale of morgan at the last min (and everyone else important) after the backlash and negative press from the sale of chambers. Yes, but he never suggested it was a sell everything that moves policy, you just made that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Yes, but he never suggested it was a sell everything that moves policy, you just made that up. the selling of everything that moves was an expression of the situation as it unfolded. it never stopped for tactical reasons, it stopped due to the poor press and fan reaction (if you believe KK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 I am prepared to accept that, as with most businesses, there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than the plabs like us will ever know. No matter what you think of the people on the Board they have risen to where they are in their professions for a reason. In my experience in management you look at all of the options before making a decsion and I find it highly unlikely that they ignored the fact that Chambers could play in other positions before they decided to sell him. If we are going to have a bedwetting session everytime an ex player of our does something a) different or b) good it is going to be an even more sad place to visit than it has been already this summer. They made a call. This player is gone. It really does not matter any more. Time to move on and to move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 the selling of everything that moves was an expression of the situation as it unfolded. it never stopped for tactical reasons, it stopped due to the poor press and fan reaction (if you believe KK) Let me get this right - they would have sold every member of the squad if we had takers? We had a bid in for Fonte and he is still here. Apparently we have had bids for JRod and he is still here. Werent Munich in for Boruc and he is still here? Even this Board with their previously unplumbed depth of incompetance probably realised at some point that we need to field 11 players against Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Let me get this right - they would have sold every member of the squad if we had takers? We had a bid in for Fonte and he is still here. Apparently we have had bids for JRod and he is still here. Werent Munich in for Boruc and he is still here? Even this Board with their previously unplumbed depth of incompetance probably realised at some point that we need to field 11 players against Liverpool. good points. just going off what KK Billy stated. it was due to fans reaction that the plug was pulled last min on the sale of morgan and further sales. to me (if we believe him. Most do) that we were very much open for business. That included players in also. but it was seemingly a non tactical decision that stopped the sales... anyway,matters not as you previously said. just have to live with it and see us struggle a lot this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 the selling of everything that moves was an expression of the situation as it unfolded. it never stopped for tactical reasons, it stopped due to the poor press and fan reaction (if you believe KK) It wasn't a sell everything that moves exercise though, you just made that up. The club clearly weren't keen on selling Lovren, Lallana, Fonte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 (edited) From BBC Sports feed: Interesting. Calum Chambers steps out of defence like a young Alan Hansen, marching upfield and joining in the play up top, in fact he's in the six-yard box waiting for a cross but Mathieu Debuchy has strayed offside. Debuchy playing very high up the pitch so far, Theo Walcott style.[/Quote] I've said before that we might have undervalued Chambers in terms of the versatility that he offered. A few on here said £11m was a lot of money for a second-choice RB but given that he offered cover at RB, CB, and CM, can't help but feel Arsenal have got a hell of a deal and we will live to regret it. Should Ralph have discovered his mettle a week earlier we could have kept onto him for another season and been looking at a similar fee to that which we received for Shaw. Edited 10 August, 2014 by Toon Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 It wasn't a sell everything that moves exercise though, you just made that up. The club clearly weren't keen on selling Lovren, Lallana, Fonte. it was an expression of the situation. which i have stated. an expression is usually made by an individual...does that make it clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 He is already miles, miles, miles better than Yoshida or Hooiveld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Get this guy running the club. He clearly knows it all! I've long held the view that there is a wealth of untapped potential on this forum. The amount of tactical geniuses, coaches, scouts, man managers, not to mention finance and law experts and business greats. The only surprise is when recruiting for these positions the club don't simply read a few threads and invite the contributors to interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 the selling of everything that moves was an expression of the situation as it unfolded. it never stopped for tactical reasons, it stopped due to the poor press and fan reaction (if you believe KK) Don't buy that. I accept that the reaction to CC might not have been quite what was expected, but to be honest, it wasn't for many any different than their current reactions. Just because it seemed to us, the press and most others that the situation was out of control, it doesn't mean that it was. Lambert, Lallana and Shaw was seemingly planned. Lovren transfer request seemed to be planned for (having received the request) given that it took a number of weeks to conclude. Chambers - who knows what had been going on behind the scenes? He may well turn out to be the dog's but £16m for 20 PL games is a ridiculous amount, well at least to me it is. Anyway, back to not buying it. So we raised a lot of cash, but we have also shelled out a not inconsiderable amount. I don't really buy into Reed's all the money will be for purchases and wages or rather, I am not sure quite what he means (which I suspect is how it was supposed to come across). I have no problems selling high, replacing lower, and using the difference elsewhere, even if the owner wants to take some money out. In fact I would be happier if she did, as that way she can run it as a proper business investment. But I don't buy that we have had a complete volte face and gone from selling everything to now signing £10m players because of adverse reaction from supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 CC seems to be being beaten quite easily a couple of times. Not looking fantastic, but better going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 I am prepared to accept that, as with most businesses, there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than the plabs like us will ever know. No matter what you think of the people on the Board they have risen to where they are in their professions for a reason. Katharina - accident of birth (inheritance from her father) Ralph - appointment by above with no knowledge/experience of professional football Hofstetter (since departed) -ability to shoot himself in the foot while having his foot in his mouth Your support for our incompetent board is clearly based on sound judgement The only board member who had any idea baout Chambers' abilities was Les Reed, and presumably he was persuaded by the others that it was not a problem letting Calum go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Why don't people want Fonte in the lineup all of the sudden? He´s the best right sided CB we have, the position Chambers would play in too.... I remember when nobody even mentioned right or left sided centrebacks, they were just centrebacks and got on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Chambers is very overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 He is already miles, miles, miles better than Yoshida or Hooiveld. How many games have you seen him at CH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Wasn't Chambers 'a present' from Koeman to the board, that's how Koeman put it, whatever that means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Katharina - accident of birth (inheritance from her father) Ralph - appointment by above with no knowledge/experience of professional football Hofstetter (since departed) -ability to shoot himself in the foot while having his foot in his mouth Your support for our incompetent board is clearly based on sound judgement The only board member who had any idea baout Chambers' abilities was Les Reed, and presumably he was persuaded by the others that it was not a problem letting Calum go. I'm sure it was as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 I am prepared to accept that, as with most businesses, there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than the plabs like us will ever know. No matter what you think of the people on the Board they have risen to where they are in their professions for a reason. Shame the reason had nothing to do with football for of all of them bar Reed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Katharina - accident of birth (inheritance from her father) Ralph - appointment by above with no knowledge/experience of professional football Hofstetter (since departed) -ability to shoot himself in the foot while having his foot in his mouth Your support for our incompetent board is clearly based on sound judgement The only board member who had any idea baout Chambers' abilities was Les Reed, and presumably he was persuaded by the others that it was not a problem letting Calum go. Katharina, do you know how much business acumen she has? Just because she inherited the business does not mean to say she doesnt know how to run it. Ralph - clearly knows his stuff and has been brought in the run the commercial side. Hofstetter - the "fans" have been calling fr transparity for ages (something we didnt have under NC by the way) so he makes statement. Shoot him Reed - been here a while and as part of a successful team has clearly earnt his spurs. Koeman - not a Board member but brought in by the Board to succeed someone who didnt want to be here. I suspect they speak to him quite a lot about football matters. I have more faith in these people than I do a bunch of whining jumped up cyber jockies who feel quite happy to make profund statements on nothing more than conjecture. My judgement of the Board is based on the fact that they know what is happening whereas all you are doing is guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Shame the reason had nothing to do with football for of all of them bar Reed! Yeah, a real shame. Remind me again about how much experience Nicola Cortese had in football before joinging us please (and Markus in owning a football club for that matter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 F**k knows whats happened to Man City, they've looked terrible today. Sanchez hasn't looked any good for Arsenal yet, but they've still bossed this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 I'm sure the very nice and knowledgeable world class coach, Mr. MOPO knew Calum chambers best position What are you babbling on about exactly ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 I've long held the view that there is a wealth of untapped potential on this forum. The amount of tactical geniuses, coaches, scouts, man managers, not to mention finance and law experts and business greats. The only surprise is when recruiting for these positions the club don't simply read a few threads and invite the contributors to interviews. There is a lot of truth in this. Should the club take off their blinkers and start recruiting from swf, Turks would still be in Southampton overseeing office supplies at St Marys. I am prepared, should the call come, to oversee entertainment facilities at the ground. I sense a portsmouth-type buyout in the offing, who's with me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 Katharina, do you know how much business acumen she has? Just because she inherited the business does not mean to say she doesnt know how to run it. Ralph - clearly knows his stuff and has been brought in the run the commercial side. Hofstetter - the "fans" have been calling fr transparity for ages (something we didnt have under NC by the way) so he makes statement. Shoot him Reed - been here a while and as part of a successful team has clearly earnt his spurs. Koeman - not a Board member but brought in by the Board to succeed someone who didnt want to be here. I suspect they speak to him quite a lot about football matters. I have more faith in these people than I do a bunch of whining jumped up cyber jockies who feel quite happy to make profund statements on nothing more than conjecture. My judgement of the Board is based on the fact that they know what is happening whereas all you are doing is guessing. I should add that we gained promotion to the Premiership under the ownership of Katharina and have been there for 2 seasons. Not bad for a novice eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 I should add that we gained promotion to the Premiership under the ownership of Katharina and have been there for 2 seasons. Not bad for a novice eh? a genuine question wasnt he ownership of the club in probate at the time? IE, it was basically cortese's to run, hence the schtick he gets about spending etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 great result for watford yesterday. well maybe you should support them then, you bed soaking baby, rather than crying till you soil your pants every two seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 August, 2014 Share Posted 10 August, 2014 well maybe you should support them then, you bed soaking baby, rather than crying till you soil your pants every two seconds. I live up the road from them. Will look out for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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