Saints players in Dublin last week

[Long Shot]

There were a lot of interesting people to talk to at the AGM this morning and now the gloves are well and truly off there are some equally interesting facts to emerge.

 

For instance it appears the Saints squad had their Xmas "bash" in Dublin last week and it was spread over quite a few days. Apart from the obvious cost I hear it is being regarded in some quarters as to explain why we were so poor on Saturday v Forest.

 

Another intriguing question was going to be asked to David Jones but the person next to me who tried to ask it was not given the chance. That question was "in the light of the club's financial predicament why for the recent game at Crystal Palace that took place on a Monday evening did the squad travel up to London on the Saturday thus incurring nearly £30,000 worth of expense when it would have sufficed to have travelled up on the Monday morning". I must admit to thinking why are we tightening our belt in some areas and yet this sort of thing is apparently going on.

 

David Jones is a "teflon" man and although he wriggled out of a lot this morning it is becoming obvious that he has overseen many of the financial disasters that have beset our club and not really ever been held accountable. I was shocked to hear this morning from Crouch and Corbett that Jones voted alongside the execs to spend all that money on expensive players knowing we could not afford it. At the meeting he tried to justify it by saying they were all signed on short-term contracts and therefore the large wage bill (81% of our income) was an unreal figure which would reduce in 2009/10. Lowe revealed one of the players signed by the execs with Jones's blessing earned in a year's wages 15% of the club's total revenue for that year.

[LGTL]

I can't imagine Jan having that much authority. Rumours have it that a number of players were out Friday night...

 

I was also interested to hear the other day that there is a clear divide between the dutch and the english staff, very much them and us.

[scott_saints]

I heard that that all the players were doing cocaine on the Friday night before the game. What has happened to our club??

[Window Cleaner]

There were a lot of interesting people to talk to at the AGM this morning and now the gloves are well and truly off there are some equally interesting facts to emerge.

 

For instance it appears the Saints squad had their Xmas "bash" in Dublin last week and it was spread over quite a few days. Apart from the obvious cost I hear it is being regarded in some quarters as to explain why we were so poor on Saturday v Forest.

 

Another intriguing question was going to be asked to David Jones but the person next to me who tried to ask it was not given the chance. That question was "in the light of the club's financial predicament why for the recent game at Crystal Palace that took place on a Monday evening did the squad travel up to London on the Saturday thus incurring nearly £30,000 worth of expense when it would have sufficed to have travelled up on the Monday morning". I must admit to thinking why are we tightening our belt in some areas and yet this sort of thing is apparently going on.

 

David Jones is a "teflon" man and although he wriggled out of a lot this morning it is becoming obvious that he has overseen many of the financial disasters that have beset our club and not really ever been held accountable. I was shocked to hear this morning from Crouch and Corbett that Jones voted alongside the execs to spend all that money on expensive players knowing we could not afford it. At the meeting he tried to justify it by saying they were all signed on short-term contracts and therefore the large wage bill (81% of our income) was an unreal figure which would reduce in 2009/10. Lowe revealed one of the players signed by the execs with Jones's blessing earned in a year's wages 15% of the club's total revenue for that year.

 

A 2 million a year player??? Get out.

Nobody but nobody at SMS earnt 2 million quid last year (or got paid it either).

[Long Shot]

A 2 million a year player??? Get out.

Nobody but nobody at SMS earnt 2 million quid last year (or got paid it either).

 

Only quoting Rupert Lowe. I am sure that was what he said - perhaps anyone else there can confirm?

[Window Cleaner]

Only quoting Rupert Lowe. I am sure that was what he said - perhaps anyone else there can confirm?

 

Doubt it.

 

 

Revenue 14.9 million, 15% of that about 2.2 million or 40K a week for those that insist on reducing it to that.

[adzamazing]

Fair play to them, they have a life. they turned up to work half hungover, so what everyone does it!!!

[rooney]

Fair play to them, they have a life. they turned up to work half hungover, so what everyone does it!!!

 

I cannot believe I am reading that unless it is meant as a joke!

[Sheff Saint]

Fair play to them, they have a life. they turned up to work half hungover, so what everyone does it!!!

 

Not if i was earning nearly £100k a year i wouldn't.

[Papa Shango]

Fair play to them, they have a life. they turned up to work half hungover, so what everyone does it!!!

 

[NickG]

There were a lot of interesting people to talk to at the AGM this morning and now the gloves are well and truly off there are some equally interesting facts to emerge.

 

For instance it appears the Saints squad had their Xmas "bash" in Dublin last week and it was spread over quite a few days. Apart from the obvious cost I hear it is being regarded in some quarters as to explain why we were so poor on Saturday v Forest.Another intriguing question was going to be asked to David Jones but the person next to me who tried to ask it was not given the chance. That question was "in the light of the club's financial predicament why for the recent game at Crystal Palace that took place on a Monday evening did the squad travel up to London on the Saturday thus incurring nearly £30,000 worth of expense when it would have sufficed to have travelled up on the Monday morning". I must admit to thinking why are we tightening our belt in some areas and yet this sort of thing is apparently going on.

 

David Jones is a "teflon" man and although he wriggled out of a lot this morning it is becoming obvious that he has overseen many of the financial disasters that have beset our club and not really ever been held accountable. I was shocked to hear this morning from Crouch and Corbett that Jones voted alongside the execs to spend all that money on expensive players knowing we could not afford it. At the meeting he tried to justify it by saying they were all signed on short-term contracts and therefore the large wage bill (81% of our income) was an unreal figure which would reduce in 2009/10. Lowe revealed one of the players signed by the execs with Jones's blessing earned in a year's wages 15% of the club's total revenue for that year.

 

was on radio solent and hampshire at weekend

[Alain Perrin]

Another intriguing question was going to be asked to David Jones but the person next to me who tried to ask it was not given the chance. That question was "in the light of the club's financial predicament why for the recent game at Crystal Palace that took place on a Monday evening did the squad travel up to London on the Saturday thus incurring nearly £30,000 worth of expense when it would have sufficed to have travelled up on the Monday morning". I must admit to thinking why are we tightening our belt in some areas and yet this sort of thing is apparently going on.

 

That's a myth.

 

30 people (tops, and I suspect 25) x 2 nights @ £150 pp/night = £9000.

 

Where do you get £30K from???

[Window Cleaner]

That's a myth.

 

30 people (tops, and I suspect 25) x 2 nights @ £150 pp/night = £9000.

 

Where do you get £30K from???

 

Same place as the 15% of total revenue player I expect.

[Mowgli]

That question was "in the light of the club's financial predicament why for the recent game at Crystal Palace that took place on a Monday evening did the squad travel up to London on the Saturday thus incurring nearly £30,000 worth of expense when it would have sufficed to have travelled up on the Monday morning".

 

Sadly I think this is why Lowe is here for the long term. The AGM talked about player sales of over £12m but the club still made nearly £5m loss. And someone wants to ask why we went to a game a day early.....

 

Not having a go at you long shot but it was perhaps fortunate the question was never asked! What we need is people who can see the big picture and take a strategic approach to financial management rather than nit pick over individual issues.

[saintbob40]

I heard that the players were out sacrificing goats to Beelzebub on the Friday prior to setting fire to an orphanage....the bastards...

 

Lets get a mob together with burning crosses to eradicate this evil straight away. Only his lord MLT can save us from this wickedness.

 

Really though .....how many dickheads write on this message board? They are young lads (mainly) trying their best (most of them) in a difficult situation (i.e surrounded by other young lads playing for a club thats skint and cant afford tried and tested quality). We can all ***** and moan all we want (and yes we were ****e on Saturday) but the only way out of this is together. Which probably means there is no way out of this looking at some of the crap posted on this meesage board. I would imagine Surman and Lallana will want to go and I can't imagine Cork and Pearce will want to stay. Then what I wonder, who's to blame then?

[70's Mike]

I can't imagine Jan having that much authority. Rumours have it that a number of players were out Friday night...

 

I was also interested to hear the other day that there is a clear divide between the dutch and the english staff, very much them and us.

 

do not usually like rumour but i was told today, by a steward, that Lowe and Jan had a huge set to after Saturdays game in front of players.

True or False i do not know

[70's Mike]

Sadly I think this is why Lowe is here for the long term. The AGM talked about player sales of over £12m but the club still made nearly £5m loss. And someone wants to ask why we went to a game a day early.....

 

Not having a go at you long shot but it was perhaps fortunate the question was never asked! What we need is people who can see the big picture and take a strategic approach to financial management rather than nit pick over individual issues.

 

as the accounts that were approved today were nearly 6 months out of date, i expected questions to be asked about the true financial position now.

Interim results , i believe, have to be announced to the stock exchange early next year

[badgerx16]

I heard that the players were out sacrificing goats to Beelzebub on the Friday prior to setting fire to an orphanage....the bastards...

 

Lets get a mob together with burning crosses to eradicate this evil straight away. Only his lord MLT can save us from this wickedness.

 

Really though .....how many dickheads write on this message board? They are young lads (mainly) trying their best (most of them) in a difficult situation (i.e surrounded by other young lads playing for a club thats skint and cant afford tried and tested quality). We can all ***** and moan all we want (and yes we were ****e on Saturday) but the only way out of this is together. Which probably means there is no way out of this looking at some of the crap posted on this meesage board. I would imagine Surman and Lallana will want to go and I can't imagine Cork and Pearce will want to stay. Then what I wonder, who's to blame then?[/quote]

 

Who decided not to retain Pearson ?

Who appointed Poortvliet ?

 

I'm sorry, but it is that simple.

[Long Shot]

That's a myth.

 

30 people (tops, and I suspect 25) x 2 nights @ £150 pp/night = £9000.

 

Where do you get £30K from???

 

a respected non-political ex player, still close to the club. He actually said 25 to 30 grand to be fair. I have no idea how he got to that figure, but I assume there were meals, transport, entertainment and other expenses. Tbh it is not so much the amount but the fact that while cutbacks are made around the stadium and on the playing side the powers to be still get their little jollies. I am not against the players having a knees up at Xmas but for the whole shebang to take place over 2 or even 3 days in Dublin is a little excessive, considering the club is facing administration.

[Long Shot]

Same place as the 15% of total revenue player I expect.

 

I can only repeat that is exactly what Lowe said. I heard it with my own ears. He was also banging on about also signing a player who smoked and had dodgy knees but by then the meeting was in a state of uproar.

[Window Cleaner]

a respected non-political ex player, still close to the club. He actually said 25 to 30 grand to be fair. I have no idea how he got to that figure, but I assume there were meals, transport, entertainment and other expenses. Tbh it is not so much the amount but the fact that while cutbacks are made around the stadium and on the playing side the powers to be still get their little jollies. I am not against the players having a knees up at Xmas but for the whole shebang to take place over 2 or even 3 days in Dublin is a little excessive, considering the club is facing administration.

 

Have you never considered the idea that the players may have actually contributed to the affair? I mean I can't see the club paying for a **** up. A training week that turned into a **** up perhaps.

[Big Ron fan]

I can only repeat that is exactly what Lowe said. I heard it with my own ears. He was also banging on about also signing a player who smoked and had dodgy knees but by then the meeting was in a state of uproar.

 

Dodgy knees? Wasn't that Delgado? Signed by....oh!

[derry]

So we play at Burnley, lose badly, 7 days later we play probably the most important match of the season, win and we are 7 points clear. Then during that week players are in Dublin for a number of days on a Christmas bash.

 

Surprise, surprise we turn in just about the most inept and indolent performance of the season, now we are 1 point clear and unless we do something spectacular in the next two games, or in the unlikely event, the cow's arse gets a peppering, we are certainly going to be in the bottom three, and possibly bottom with the fourth from bottom out of sight.

 

That is the sort of unprofessional preparation that deserves the sack.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

do not usually like rumour but i was told today, by a steward, that Lowe and Jan had a huge set to after Saturdays game in front of players.

True or False i do not know

 

That would be because JP subbed McGoldick i expect.

[Window Cleaner]

Dodgy knees? Wasn't that Delgado? Signed by....oh!

 

Andrew Davies or Wayne Thomas, take your pick.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Andrew Davies or Wayne Thomas, take your pick.

 

Must be davies then as Thomas has heel problem.

[um pahars]

So we play at Burnley, lose badly, 7 days later we play probably the most important match of the season, win and we are 7 points clear. Then during that week players are in Dublin for a number of days on a Christmas bash.

 

Surprise, surprise we turn in just about the most inept and indolent performance of the season, now we are 1 point clear and unless we do something spectacular in the next two games, or in the unlikely event, the cow's arse gets a peppering, we are certainly going to be in the bottom three, and possibly bottom with the fourth from bottom out of sight.

 

That is the sort of unprofessional preparation that deserves the sack.

 

Have to agree 100%.

 

For me this has nothing to do with the cost, and everything to do with the fact that whilst Forest were probably deep in training and preparation for a crucial match, someone had given our boys a few days off.

 

Revolutionary Coaching Set Up???? Nah, we seem to be making it up as we go along!!!!!!!!!

[Window Cleaner]

I can only repeat that is exactly what Lowe said. I heard it with my own ears. He was also banging on about also signing a player who smoked and had dodgy knees but by then the meeting was in a state of uproar.

 

Now I could see it this way.

Say he say 1 player COST us 15% of our total revenue, not earned but cost.

 

That would apply to Saga,Thomas or Davies if the salary was high enough.

[Window Cleaner]

Must be davies then as Thomas has heel problem.

 

It's true the Davies knee problem was known at the time that we actually bought him. I could see that paying a mill or so for a player plus 10 or 11K

a week for a total of 23 games might irk more than one.Especially as the knee injury is ongoing,he's on the bench at Stoke but still not earning his crust up there. We just couldn't afford that really. 6 months down the line and still nothing to show for it. 1.3 million banked and 300K saved.

Pity, when he did play he was handy enough.

[saintbob40]

I heard that the players were out sacrificing goats to Beelzebub on the Friday prior to setting fire to an orphanage....the bastards...

 

Lets get a mob together with burning crosses to eradicate this evil straight away. Only his lord MLT can save us from this wickedness.

 

Really though .....how many dickheads write on this message board? They are young lads (mainly) trying their best (most of them) in a difficult situation (i.e surrounded by other young lads playing for a club thats skint and cant afford tried and tested quality). We can all ***** and moan all we want (and yes we were ****e on Saturday) but the only way out of this is together. Which probably means there is no way out of this looking at some of the crap posted on this meesage board. I would imagine Surman and Lallana will want to go and I can't imagine Cork and Pearce will want to stay. Then what I wonder, who's to blame then?[/quote]

 

Who decided not to retain Pearson ?

Who appointed Poortvliet ?

 

I'm sorry, but it is that simple.

 

Don't agree if crappy, moaning unsupportive fans are driving good young players out of the club then that's not management fault, as crap as management may be. This blame everyone, scattergun approach is not helpful. Let's be intelligent and balanced in our arguments, otherwise we will end up with the bath water and not the baby and then we will all have stacks to moan about.

[St Chalet]

I can only repeat that is exactly what Lowe said. I heard it with my own ears. He was also banging on about also signing a player who smoked and had dodgy knees but by then the meeting was in a state of uproar.

 

 

Perhaps he has lined up Delgado again?

[LaptopSaint]

 

Don't agree if crappy, moaning unsupportive fans are driving good young players out of the club then that's not management fault, as crap as management may be. This blame everyone, scattergun approach is not helpful. Let's be intelligent and balanced in our arguments, otherwise we will end up with the bath water and not the baby and then we will all have stacks to moan about.

 

Post a bit more often please Bob. You talk alarming amounts of sense.

[ShirleySaint]

A 2 million a year player??? Get out.

Nobody but nobody at SMS earnt 2 million quid last year (or got paid it either).

 

The figure quoted by Lowe was £25k a week, which is £1.3m. He did also mention that was equal to 15% of the clubs revenue, but it wasn't clear whether he was talking about the revenue at the time the player was brought, or subsequent year's revenues.

[Thedelldays]

£25k a week in the CCC

 

 

[um pahars]

The figure quoted by Lowe was £25k a week, which is £1.3m. He did also mention that was equal to 15% of the clubs revenue, but it wasn't clear whether he was talking about the revenue at the time the player was brought, or subsequent year's revenues.

 

Whichever way you look at it, those numbers don't stack up.

 

£25k a week is indeed £1.3m and 15% of last years revenue is £2.25m.

 

An oversight, or a bit of spin that can't be substantiated?

[Tamesaint]

Whichever way you look at it, those numbers don't stack up.

 

£25k a week is indeed £1.3m and 15% of last years revenue is £2.25m.

 

An oversight, or a bit of spin that can't be substantiated?

 

 

Oh come, come. A bit of spin that can't be substantiated from Rupert ?? I do not believe it!!!!

[um pahars]

£25k a week in the CCC

 

 

 

Before we slash our wrists, I think we would do well to consider who said this and in what context as the accompanying lines (see my post above) don't stack up.

 

I can only think that this has to be Stern John, but I wonder exactly how the deal was structured (were Sunderland reimbursing us, was some of his wages taken account of in the Jones transfer fee etc etc etc).

 

It wouldn't surprise me if we probably had to pay his full wages, but got a one off lump sum from Sunderland to compensate for this, but someone is using the gross figure as a stick to beat others with.

 

The very fact that the accompanying numbers don't stack up means I'm pretty wary of taking this on face value.

[LeBenali]

£25k a week in the CCC

 

 

 

Beattie must be on near enough that at Sheff Utd - although admittedly an exception. Can't see us ever paying more then £15k in the CCC...surely?!

[um pahars]

Beattie must be on near enough that at Sheff Utd - although admittedly an exception. Can't see us ever paying more then £15k in the CCC...surely?!

 

heard a whisper that Rasiak was signed on just under 20,000 a week and always thought he was our highest earner.

[ericofarabia]

That's a myth.

 

30 people (tops, and I suspect 25) x 2 nights @ £150 pp/night = £9000.

 

Where do you get £30K from???

 

Don't forget, all those youngsters probably put on the pay per view porn as soon as they got to their rooms, had a cup of ovaltine and fell asleep, leaving the pay to view running all night

[AndyNorthernSaints]

I heard Channon, Steele and others were seen in the Cowherds pub after training.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

 

Don't agree if crappy, moaning unsupportive fans are driving good young players out of the club then that's not management fault, as crap as management may be. This blame everyone, scattergun approach is not helpful. Let's be intelligent and balanced in our arguments, otherwise we will end up with the bath water and not the baby and then we will all have stacks to moan about.

 

...Ah, poor coke-head ****ed up footballers not being arsed to turn up for a crucial 6 pointer are being driven from the club by a few moaning fans on an internet message board. Get real.

[slickmick]

There were a lot of interesting people to talk to at the AGM this morning and now the gloves are well and truly off there are some equally interesting facts to emerge.

 

For instance it appears the Saints squad had their Xmas "bash" in Dublin last week and it was spread over quite a few days. Apart from the obvious cost I hear it is being regarded in some quarters as to explain why we were so poor on Saturday v Forest.

 

Another intriguing question was going to be asked to David Jones but the person next to me who tried to ask it was not given the chance. That question was "in the light of the club's financial predicament why for the recent game at Crystal Palace that took place on a Monday evening did the squad travel up to London on the Saturday thus incurring nearly £30,000 worth of expense when it would have sufficed to have travelled up on the Monday morning". I must admit to thinking why are we tightening our belt in some areas and yet this sort of thing is apparently going on.

 

David Jones is a "teflon" man and although he wriggled out of a lot this morning it is becoming obvious that he has overseen many of the financial disasters that have beset our club and not really ever been held accountable. I was shocked to hear this morning from Crouch and Corbett that Jones voted alongside the execs to spend all that money on expensive players knowing we could not afford it. At the meeting he tried to justify it by saying they were all signed on short-term contracts and therefore the large wage bill (81% of our income) was an unreal figure which would reduce in 2009/10. Lowe revealed one of the players signed by the execs with Jones's blessing earned in a year's wages 15% of the club's total revenue for that year.

 

 

Rasiak

[OldNick]

what would have richard Wright been on? After all he wasa PL player who had been the subject to some big transfers and at WHU who pay stupid wages until recently

[trousers]

 

For instance it appears the Saints squad had their Xmas "bash" in Dublin last week and it was spread over quite a few days. Apart from the obvious cost I hear it is being regarded in some quarters as to explain why we were so poor on Saturday v Forest.

 

For those who attended the Forest game this sounds like a clear cut case of a breach of the Sale of Goods and Services Act.

 

Not that your average Saints fan will be arsed to claim the refund to which they are entitled.....

[OldNick]

do not usually like rumour but i was told today, by a steward, that Lowe and Jan had a huge set to after Saturdays game in front of players.

True or False i do not know

That is FALSE

[OldNick]

For instance it appears the Saints squad had their Xmas "bash" in Dublin last week and it was spread over quite a few days. Apart from the obvious cost I hear it is being regarded in some quarters as to explain why we were so poor on Saturday v Forest.

 

 

It was a 2 day/night break after the Burnley game.I dont know the travel arrangements but if they left from the nearest airport up north they would have returned monday.Trained on tuesday. I dont like the players going on drinking binges (if that is what indeed happened ) but it is not as sinister as some are making out.I would be more concerned if it was on thursday -friday

[OldNick]

For those who attended the Forest game this sounds like a clear cut case of a breach of the Sale of Goods and Services Act.

 

Not that your average Saints fan will be arsed to claim the refund to which they are entitled.....

Long shots wording implies a long stay it was not.

[OldNick]

at Crystal Palace that took place on a Monday evening did the squad travel up to London on the Saturday thus incurring nearly £30,000 worth of expense when it would have sufficed to have travelled up on the Monday morning". I must admit to thinking why are we tightening our belt in some areas and yet this sort of thing is apparently going on.

 

The concept of getting the squad to a hotel and training during that time is valid.It didnt help on the night but I can't see the club trying to be pro active being wrong. As RL is tighter than a badgers thing I doubt that it wasn't considered thoroughly before giving it the go ahead.

I do agree it was an expense that needs looing at but i doubt it was anywhere near 25k

[trousers]

Long shots wording implies a long stay it was not.

 

Doesn't matter if it was a 3 hour or 3 day visit....if it affected the team's performance (and the circumstantial evidence would suggest it did) then people paid good money for a product/service that was not of merchantable quality.

 

Get claiming folks...

 

Or sit on arse and do nothing.....

 

The choice is yours.