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Pap - often you have good points to make (when not talking about conspiracy theories) but these pictures just make you come across as a bit of a plonker

 

Well, there's always that danger.

 

And I'll always face it :)

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So a party pledges to renationalise the railways, not only doesn't but actively sells more public assets, and then you're saying they wouldn't have anyway because their values have changed?

 

It only took me 5 minutes of reading to find out that Labour made the railways pledge at a time when it thought the tories were only going to privatise half of railtrack. When it turned out that they privatised the whole of it, Gordon Brown successfully argued within the party that the 2bn cost of buying it back was too high.

 

The party has genuinely changed, no one wants to go back to the Michael Foot days, and although thatcher's reforms went too fast without a proper safety net, she did win a lot of the arguments and Labour will never go back to 1970s style socialism

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Strange that I don't know one, what with being one and being married to one.

 

Teacher who hates Gove to teacher who secretly doesn't: "What do you think of Gove?"

 

Teacher who secretly doesn't hate him but doesn't want his colleague to know that for fear of being ostracised: " Gove? He's a **** of course, we all know that, don't we comrades?"

 

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It only took me 5 minutes of reading to find out that Labour made the railways pledge at a time when it thought the tories were only going to privatise half of railtrack. When it turned out that they privatised the whole of it, Gordon Brown successfully argued within the party that the 2bn cost of buying it back was too high.

 

The party has genuinely changed, no one wants to go back to the Michael Foot days, and although thatcher's reforms went too fast without a proper safety net, she did win a lot of the arguments and Labour will never go back to 1970s style socialism

 

Must be the first time Labour turned down doing something due to excessive cost...

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Teacher who hates Gove to teacher who secretly doesn't: "What do you think of Gove?"

 

Teacher who secretly doesn't hate him but doesn't want his colleague to know that for fear of being ostracised: " Gove? He's a **** of course, we all know that, don't we comrades?"

 

:)

 

You really do chat sh*t. When unions like the ATL, who have NEVER been on strike ballot their members then you know something is wrong. When your ardent tory workmates call for his resignation then you know that something is wrong.

 

As I've mentioned before I've met him professionally a couple of times as well as members of his team and whilst I've never doubted his sincerity I've never walked away thinking anything but "WTF his he on?" He lived in a world so removed from reality that it was scary.

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You really do chat sh*t. When unions like the ATL, who have NEVER been on strike ballot their members then you know something is wrong. When your ardent tory workmates call for his resignation then you know that something is wrong.

 

As I've mentioned before I've met him professionally a couple of times as well as members of his team and whilst I've never doubted his sincerity I've never walked away thinking anything but "WTF his he on?" He lived in a world so removed from reality that it was scary.

 

Nice guy, awful policies.

 

Of course, these policies aren't just his ideas...But he is the face for them.

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Gove appears to be a f**king idiot and I personally am glad my kids did the majority of their education during a Labour government.

 

Moreover, his free school policy seems precisely the sort of thing to encourage secretive religious whackjob schools to set up their own institutions outside of day to day scrutiny.

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Show leadership, be a trusted, important voice in negotiations

 

Well your world statesman Hollande would be as well to do the same, never has a president made such a fark up of a nation.

In fact all those thinking of voting socialist should have a look and see what a mess he's made. Scruffy womanising idiot is all he is.

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Well your world statesman Hollande would be as well to do the same, never has a president made such a fark up of a nation.

In fact all those thinking of voting socialist should have a look and see what a mess he's made. Scruffy womanising idiot is all he is.

 

Voting Socialist? We don't have a mainstream Socialist party in the UK. It died with Blair.

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I am certainly torn in this election. I would naturally vote labour as I feel that the poor and disabled don't deserve another kicking from a man who once claimed Disability Living Allowance for his son (despite being a millionaire and, when in opposition, constantly complaining that the paperwork was too hard.....so has given the DWP a blanket 20% (doesn't care who) to wipe off the bill...in the name of "austerity"). I agree though, Labour chose the wrong brother and Ed Balls is a train wreck.

 

You all know the SNP will never side with a party previously known as the "unionists" so it appears that, since the Lib Dem's vote will be probably less than you can fit on a fag packet and despite the loud noises from UKIP, they won't have the numbers so it seems if the Tories want to get in they'll need a number enough to have a mandate on their own this time.

 

Problem as I see it is that the working and unworking poor who voted for them in the last election wont. Also please stop banging on about Labour and the crash, you sound like a broken record as a little thing called a global recession thanks to millionaire bankers may just of had a slight influence.

 

 

But hey-ho, the bankers are all Tories are they not?

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Being married to a teacher, and knowing many more both socially and professionally, none of those I am aquainted with would agree with that article. I suspect she is very much in the minority.

 

From my PGCE training, I recall the overall opinion was that the man was a odd little fellow with a warped sense of history and what appeared to be an ultimate goal of eliminating state education and modern didactic methods for rather more etonian values completely abhorrent to today's society.

 

Although, most of the teachers I knew just called him a dickh3ad.

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Teacher who hates Gove to teacher who secretly doesn't: "What do you think of Gove?"

 

Teacher who secretly doesn't hate him but doesn't want his colleague to know that for fear of being ostracised: " Gove? He's a **** of course, we all know that, don't we comrades?"

 

:)

3/10 poor effort [emoji20]

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I never thought I'd see the day that rich businessmen would come out against Labour in the Daily Telegraph. Strange times indeed.

 

Doesn't this happen in the same old news cycle albeit every 5 years. As predictable as the Daily Express having a cure for arthritis every 14 days. Or 5 secrets to living longer which amounts to having an early night, going for a walk and eating some veg.

 

although Telegraph seems to do little to disguise itself as little more than a Tory press release vehicle of late. Don't think many of its readership are undecided other than UKIP or Tory.

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I never thought I'd see the day that rich businessmen would come out against Labour in the Daily Telegraph. Strange times indeed.

 

Doesn't this happen in the same old news cycle albeit every 5 years. As predictable as the Daily Express having a cure for arthritis every 14 days. Or 5 steps to living longer which amounts to having an early night, going for a walk and eating some veg.

 

although Telegraph seems to do little to disguise as little more than a Tory press release vehicle of late. Don't think many of its readership are undecided other than UKIP or Tory.

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Doesn't this happen in the same old news cycle albeit every 5 years. As predictable as the Daily Express having a cure for arthritis every 14 days. Or 5 steps to living longer which amounts to having an early night, going for a walk and eating some veg.

 

although Telegraph seems to do little to disguise as little more than a Tory press release vehicle of late. Don't think many of its readership are undecided other than UKIP or Tory.

 

Or the left wing BBC reporting the same thing...

 

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32141412

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They do tend to, the point is its not just a right wing story.

Obviously it is. As Whelk said, it's as predictable as a "blue Monday" story in January. The only debatable bit is whether it qualifies as actual news. It being right wing isn't in question.

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If it wasn't news there is no way these outlets would report it, they'd leave it for the right wing press wouldn't they?

LOL. I think you may have missed Whelks and my comments about how a story like this is cookie cutter stuff that gets trotted out every cycle.

 

It's sweet that you think everything ever reported on the BBC and the Guardian qualifies as news. Remember that next time they publish something you don't like, won't ya?

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LOL. I think you may have missed Whelks and my comments about how a story like this is cookie cutter stuff that gets trotted out every cycle.

 

It's sweet that you think everything ever reported on the BBC and the Guardian qualifies as news. Remember that next time they publish something you don't like, won't ya?

 

I did see that, you wrote about this stuff getting trotted out in the Telegraph, not in other news outlets...

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The exact same feed on the Guardian reports that a Scottish parliamentary candidate is wearing Cookie Monster pajamas for a Radio 4 interview this morning.

 

I'd have said that isn't news but this morning I have learnt that in UJ's world if it's on the Guardian IT IS NEWS.

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The exact same feed on the Guardian reports that a Scottish parliamentary candidate is wearing Cookie Monster pajamas for a Radio 4 interview this morning.

 

I'd have said that isn't news but this morning I have learnt that in UJ's world if it's on the Guardian IT IS NEWS.

 

I'll explain it to you.

 

As it is quite blatant right wing 'news' it generally wouldn't be reported by a left wing paper unless it was seen as news, or a news threat to be argued.

 

The same as if the Telegraph reported on positive Labour stories, it wouldn't happen unless it was big news.

 

That is the point you're not getting.

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I'll explain it to you.

 

As it is quite blatant right wing 'news' it generally wouldn't be reported by a left wing paper unless it was seen as news, or a news threat to be argued.

 

The same as if the Telegraph reported on positive Labour stories, it wouldn't happen unless it was big news.

 

That is the point you're not getting.

The fact that we're all discussing it suggests it is news. But the reason it is news is because some naive people will take it seriously rather than because it is something anyone should take seriously

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The fact that we're all discussing it suggests it is news. But the reason it is news is because some naive people will take it seriously rather than because it is something anyone should take seriously

 

All the lefties getting their knickers in a twist over it, will change their tune come the EU referendum. Then they'll want us to " listen to business" .

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All the lefties getting their knickers in a twist over it.

 

Its a close run thing between what is most predictable: the 'Torygraph' (clever play-on-words chortle) printing an article about job creators being anti-Labour or the inevitable reaction from the mouth-frothing anti-Tory brigade.

 

Too close to call :)

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I always thought The thick of it took the **** out of both parties, I didn't realise it was just Tory bashing.

 

No, while it never names parties specifically, it does take very nice potshots at three of them.

 

Not UKIP, obvs. The comedy is self-perpetuating there.

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Businessmen rubbing their hands together at the thought of lower corporation tax. Meanwhile, in terms of the overall economy these guys (who can look beyond their bonus, gold-plated jacuzzi and yacht) have a somewhat different view:

 

http://cfmsurvey.org/surveys/importance-elections-uk-economic-activity

 

Lower Corporation Tax means more money available for investment in new jobs and equipment.

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