Saint-Armstrong Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/jack-cork-handed-48-hour-contract-5036326 I think, if Jack was going to sign he would have by now. We can't offer those assurances to him, so he'll move on. If we can get Vilhena now for £4m, do it. Then sell Cork to reclaim some of that, and tidy the wage bill up a bit. We then replace a player who is set to turn 26 soon with a player that has just turned 20 and rated as a top Dutch talent. Go for it. I like Cork, but he's not irreplaceable and we can't be held to ransom either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/jack-cork-handed-48-hour-contract-5036326 I think, if Jack was going to sign he would have by now. We can't offer those assurances to him, so he'll move on. If we can get Vilhena now for £4m, do it. Then sell Cork to reclaim some of that, and tidy the wage bill up a bit. We then replace a player who is set to turn 26 soon with a player that has just turned 20 and rated as a top Dutch talent. Go for it. I like Cork, but he's not irreplaceable and we can't be held to ransom either. Article was posted 22:30 24/1/2015. Looks like Cork has just over 30 min utes to sign the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/jack-cork-handed-48-hour-contract-5036326 I think, if Jack was going to sign he would have by now. We can't offer those assurances to him, so he'll move on. If we can get Vilhena now for £4m, do it. Then sell Cork to reclaim some of that, and tidy the wage bill up a bit. We then replace a player who is set to turn 26 soon with a player that has just turned 20 and rated as a top Dutch talent. Go for it. I like Cork, but he's not irreplaceable and we can't be held to ransom either. This, young Harry Reed has undone much of the damage that would have resulted in losing Cork IMO Allow him to become a regular somewhere else as it wont happen with us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 Will be a shame, IMO I think when he gets a run of games he shows that he is almost as good as MS etc. But agree we are well served in that position so should not be held to ransom. Cork has scored this season so lets hope Reed / SD / new guy step up and add a few goals in future please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 Will be a shame, IMO I think when he gets a run of games he shows that he is almost as good as MS etc. But agree we are well served in that position so should not be held to ransom. Cork has scored this season so lets hope Reed / SD / new guy step up and add a few goals in future please. Well it a long time for Cork to add a few goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy9143 Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 I'm slightly concerned about how the Cork saga may affect Bertrand (his best mate apparently). If he feels Cork has been messed around or let down by the club it may sour his feelings towards signing on permanently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 26 January, 2015 Share Posted 26 January, 2015 I'm slightly concerned about how the Cork saga may affect Bertrand (his best mate apparently). If he feels Cork has been messed around or let down by the club it may sour his feelings towards signing on permanently. I get that, but our contract offer has been on the table for many weeks now so he can't complain about being rushed into anything. I want us to keep Cork but if he's got his concerns about staying with us I would rather he decided now so we have enough time to get a replacement in if needed, whether that's Vilhena, Clasie or whoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 I get that, but our contract offer has been on the table for many weeks now so he can't complain about being rushed into anything. I want us to keep Cork but if he's got his concerns about staying with us I would rather he decided now so we have enough time to get a replacement in if needed, whether that's Vilhena, Clasie or whoever. Has it been on the table for that many weeks? For whatever reason, the club have delayed offering Cork a new contract far longer than they would normally would for players they are keen on keeping, so I personally don't blame him for taking his time deciding now that they've finally got around to it. I think it's probably best if he moves on as the impression you get is that someone at the club doesn't rate him that highly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 Has it been on the table for that many weeks? For whatever reason, the club have delayed offering Cork a new contract far longer than they would normally would for players they are keen on keeping, so I personally don't blame him for taking his time deciding now that they've finally got around to it. I think it's probably best if he moves on as the impression you get is that someone at the club doesn't rate him that highly. Agreed. And the club making it so public that there is an ultimatum and timescale ticking for Cork seems to almost be pushing him out of the door. Shame, good player and comes across as having a decent attitude throughout his time with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 Yeah, agree with Saint Pete and Sour Mash. Shame this has developed and this has now spilled out into the public arena. Come on, Jack, please sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naiser Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 Soooo... No deal huh? :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 Yeah, agree with Saint Pete and Sour Mash. Shame this has developed and this has now spilled out into the public arena. Come on, Jack, please sign. I expect it will come down to the terms on offer. Cork is a solid Prem midfielder, so he knows there will be other clubs interested in him where he will perhaps get more games but who are further down the table at present. It seems he's happy at Saints but he'll probably only sign if he thinks we are paying what he's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 I would sign Tonny Vilhena anyway, just to show we mean business and to tell him that he's up for sale but only at our price. I like Jack Cork, and I don't want him to go, but considering where we are, and compared to the others who have found the grass was only painted green, he would be a fool to expect to go to a better club and gte more playing time. So his only choice would be a lower PL or Championship club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 I'm slightly concerned about how the Cork saga may affect Bertrand (his best mate apparently). If he feels Cork has been messed around or let down by the club it may sour his feelings towards signing on permanently. Thee so close Ryan didn't even consult him before signing for us lol I don't want Cork to leave as he is a good squad player but can fully understand him wanting to be a first team regular elsewhere we are always slagging off players happy to pick up a paycheck at the big clubs without playing so we should all support Jack if he has decided to pursue game time over financial reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 he was the turning point our first season back up , after our 'record breakingly bad' start - he came back from injury and it all clicked. He is a solid, consistent english player and I hope he stays. If we are in any form of european football next year we will need a bigger squad to cope with fixtures and as such I hope he is still here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 he was the turning point our first season back up , after our 'record breakingly bad' start - he came back from injury and it all clicked. He is a solid, consistent english player and I hope he stays. If we are in any form of european football next year we will need a bigger squad to cope with fixtures and as such I hope he is still here That may be so, but it is more about the economics of things and whether you cash in now to recoup something, or let him go. He may well now want to go, and leave on a free. I wouldn't blame him and to a certain extent it serves the club right for leaving contract talks for so long. I know with a new manager it is tricky (but new managers are hardly a rarity in football), and I think he should have been offered a contract over the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 Agreed. And the club making it so public that there is an ultimatum and timescale ticking for Cork seems to almost be pushing him out of the door. Shame, good player and comes across as having a decent attitude throughout his time with us. Bet it was the agent and not the club. Trying to flush out a deal to use as leverage or to encourage a bid for Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 I like Corky, and I'd like him to stay. However, if he goes, so be it. It's without doubt our strongest position on the pitch, and with the development of JWP/Reed he may not even be 3rd/4th choice pick next season. He's plenty capable of being a 1st XI man in the Premier League, albeit most likely at a mid-to lower table team. If that is his motivation for seeking pastures new, that is fair enough. The club are extremely well stocked in his position, and he simply isn't first choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 Koeman himself said in the Palace pre-match interview last week that players would NOT be put under pressure to sign contract extensions in January, but that we would expect a reply before April. The Mirror article appears to have no basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondock Saint Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 If we are serious about our European intentions, then Cork is superfluous to our needs and increases our wage bill for FFP purposes. For a squad player he has been offered a good deal, yet he is mugging the club off by how protracted and public this has become. Clyne gets called a "mercenary" in the other thread, yet he is worth so much more for the team AND has kept his mouth shut throughout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 Koeman himself said in the Palace pre-match interview last week that players would NOT be put under pressure to sign contract extensions in January, but that we would expect a reply before April. The Mirror article appears to have no basis. In the case of Jack Cork it is not a contract extension but a new contract. Koeman said a week ago in the Press Conference that he'd given Jack a week to sign his new contract or find another club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 I think he's going to end up at Swansea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 If we are serious about our European intentions, then Cork is superfluous to our needs and increases our wage bill for FFP purposes. For a squad player he has been offered a good deal, yet he is mugging the club off by how protracted and public this has become. Clyne gets called a "mercenary" in the other thread, yet he is worth so much more for the team AND has kept his mouth shut throughout. What on earth are you on about? How is he "mugging the club off"? And how has Cork not kept his mouth shut? Also, he is comfortably good enough as a squad member for a team with european ambitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 Clasie to replace Morgan and Vilhena to grow into the Davis role and Reed for Cork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 I think he's going to end up at Swansea... The poor sod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondock Saint Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 (edited) What on earth are you on about? How is he "mugging the club off"? And how has Cork not kept his mouth shut? Also, he is comfortably good enough as a squad member for a team with european ambitions. By letting this drag out so long, either sign or leave (mugging off probably wrong word). The club is now forcing the issue so we don't lose him on a Bosman in the summer. This has gone public, hence someone is not keeping their mouth shut. Club would not do this as the board conduct their business behind closed doors - a la "summer meltdown". I don't remember us having to hand out ultimatums before. If Koeman doesn't rate him to play against our Premiership rivals when we have had injuries, why would he be good enough to play in Europe when we have a fit squad? Just to make clear he has been a good servant to club, but his indecision is leaving a bitter taste. Edited 27 January, 2015 by Boondock Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 By letting this drag out so long, either sign or leave (mugging off probably wrong word). The club is now forcing the issue so we don't lose him on a Bosman in the summer. This has gone public, hence someone is not keeping their mouth shut. Club would not do this as the board conduct their business behind closed doors - a la "summer meltdown". I don't remember us having to hand out ultimatums before. If Koeman doesn't rate him to play against our Premiership rivals when we have had injuries, why would he be good enough to play in Europe when we have a fit squad? Just to make clear he has been a good servant to club, but his indecision is leaving a bitter taste. The offer has only been put to him in the last few weeks, so if anyone has been dragging this situation out, it is the club who normally do not leave it this late before offering extended deals. Regarding comment on injuries, Cork would have had more games recently had he himself not got injured just as the other midfield injuries were kicking in. Bearing in mind that Morgan is very likely to leave at the end of the season and Wanyama may well get targeted by the bigger clubs, I think there would definitely be a spot available for him in the squad, hence why the club have finally come round to offering him a deal. I think the delay has probably caused him to look elsewhere now though, so looks like he will probably go unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 ... that's the problem on here, everyone always seems to want to make these situations out as something 'sinister/mistakes' etc and find a side to blame. Truth is thankfully usually much less 'headline grabbing' and part and parcel of the game. Jack is unfortunately/fortunately one of those players who is easily good enough for a first team spot at many a prem club. Problem is we have an approach/style that means he is often a bench player, not because he is less of a player than others, but that we don't play in the style formation that best suits him as often as he would like... so he is part of the first team squad. Fully understand if he is frustrated with that and wants to play... in addition, because we are not one of the 'big/rich' clubs, we cannot afford to pay high wages for players who are part of the larger squad, even if they deserve it.... and there in lies the problem as he probably could get a bit more and be guarranteed more frequent starting at some of the other clubs... so victim of circumstance, rather than any fault of the club or Jack. As to the club not offering a new contract earlier, why should it? we know that there is simply no room for sentiment and contracts are not given for that reason. So quite rightly RK has wanted to see those approaching the last year in action first - and then offer a contract. Jack is rightly considering his options, and it must be a dilemma, especially given the progress we have made, but at same time wants more playing time and possible a few extra quid.... nowt wrong with that.... same as nowt wrong with the club wanting an answer asap as it may influence activity in the transfer window now... Both parties acting pretty normal IMHO... I hop he stays as he is a good player and decent chap by all accounts and has been part of our progress... and would play a bigger part in a larger squad should we qualify for Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 Some people just don't live in the real world. The club offered a contract when it suited them, Cork is free to accept or refuse that offer as he sees fit. The club may want to speed things up and the player may want to keep his options open. That's just negotiation and each side trying to put themselves in the best position. Nobody has done anything "wrong" on either side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 ... that's the problem on here, everyone always seems to want to make these situations out as something 'sinister/mistakes' etc and find a side to blame. Truth is thankfully usually much less 'headline grabbing' and part and parcel of the game. Jack is unfortunately/fortunately one of those players who is easily good enough for a first team spot at many a prem club. Problem is we have an approach/style that means he is often a bench player, not because he is less of a player than others, but that we don't play in the style formation that best suits him as often as he would like... so he is part of the first team squad. Fully understand if he is frustrated with that and wants to play... in addition, because we are not one of the 'big/rich' clubs, we cannot afford to pay high wages for players who are part of the larger squad, even if they deserve it.... and there in lies the problem as he probably could get a bit more and be guarranteed more frequent starting at some of the other clubs... so victim of circumstance, rather than any fault of the club or Jack. As to the club not offering a new contract earlier, why should it? we know that there is simply no room for sentiment and contracts are not given for that reason. So quite rightly RK has wanted to see those approaching the last year in action first - and then offer a contract. Jack is rightly considering his options, and it must be a dilemma, especially given the progress we have made, but at same time wants more playing time and possible a few extra quid.... nowt wrong with that.... same as nowt wrong with the club wanting an answer asap as it may influence activity in the transfer window now... Both parties acting pretty normal IMHO... I hop he stays as he is a good player and decent chap by all accounts and has been part of our progress... and would play a bigger part in a larger squad should we qualify for Europe. I agree with pretty much everything you've said, I just find it surprising that we didn't make the decision on Cork a few months earlier as there has been plenty of evidence in his form both in the early part of this season and last season that he is good enough to contribute as a squad player for us, particularly now we have Europe ambitions as you say. The outcome may have been the same stand-off that we've got now, but it may have been easier to sort a deal outside of a transfer window (as we did with the likes of Yoshida)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 By letting this drag out so long, either sign or leave (mugging off probably wrong word). The club is now forcing the issue so we don't lose him on a Bosman in the summer. This has gone public, hence someone is not keeping their mouth shut. Club would not do this as the board conduct their business behind closed doors - a la "summer meltdown". I don't remember us having to hand out ultimatums before. If Koeman doesn't rate him to play against our Premiership rivals when we have had injuries, why would he be good enough to play in Europe when we have a fit squad? Just to make clear he has been a good servant to club, but his indecision is leaving a bitter taste. You're on a wind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 I'm slightly concerned about how the Cork saga may affect Bertrand (his best mate apparently). If he feels Cork has been messed around or let down by the club it may sour his feelings towards signing on permanently. Not really bothered about either of them. Cork is out 5th choice (at best) central midfielder and Bertrand is a Chelsea player. We've had better players in each position and we'll have better in the future. Both are easily replaceable. Also. The article is the Mirror, they probably made it up like most journalists do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 How many Hours has he got left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 27 January, 2015 Share Posted 27 January, 2015 We all slagging players off who are happy to sit on the bench and Imo that's the best Cork can hope for when everyone is fit so he's best going to find first team football I recon ! I do rate him but he needs to be playing every week at his age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 29 January, 2015 Share Posted 29 January, 2015 Has anybody got the link to the Daily Mirror where jack Cork leaves/signs? Anyone? Anyone.....eh? You know.........got the um.........Article...in the Mirror...as they are, you know, in the know..............with everything Saints.......got the .....um ..........article........you know,.........the one after 48 hours ................no?........No-one? Strange. Perhaps I'm wrong. Of Course. They meant 48 hours in working time, which when broken down at 9.5 hours a shift would be 5 days, so no news until tomorrow then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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