Smalls Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 I'm gob smacked to be honest, Watford for crying out loud. If Chelsea said he could go out on loan again but not with Southampton fair enough but if it's Jack decision then I'm lost for words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Look at the managerof Watford and I think you've found your answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 OS says it was Jack's call. He will gave gone from Saints legend to traitor with this move. Are Watford scheduled to come here? He will be booed and catcalled! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Look at the managerof Watford and I think you've found your answer. also look at the manager at saints (and the board) and the answer is complete! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=7443 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=7415 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 OS says it was Jack's call. He will gave gone from Saints legend to traitor with this move. Are Watford scheduled to come here? He will be booed and catcalled! a host of missed penalties ring a bell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 OS says it was Jack's call. He will gave gone from Saints legend to traitor with this move. Are Watford scheduled to come here? He will be booed and catcalled! Rubbish - I for one wouldn't boo him. Usual old saints to blame the player and take no responsibility..........saints suck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=7443 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=7415 this one is better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 OS says it was Jack's call. He will gave gone from Saints legend to traitor with this move. Are Watford scheduled to come here? He will be booed and catcalled! And you'd expect Pravda to say anything else?! Another easy way to deflect criticism from them to the player... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 And you'd expect Pravda to say anything else?! Another easy way to deflect criticism from them to the player... When of course you actually have no clue what reason it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Watford fans seem chuffed.... http://www.wfcforums.com/showthread.php?t=26006 Good to see TSW quoted as breaking the news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 OS says it was Jack's call. He will gave gone from Saints legend to traitor with this move. Are Watford scheduled to come here? He will be booed and catcalled! Saints legend? You must be joking! To call him that is a serious insult to the TRUE legends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Saints legend? You must be joking! To call him that is a serious insult to the TRUE legends! Maybe he should have said McGoldrick...:smt044 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 When of course you actually have no clue what reason it was. Swallow the OS propoganda if you like mate, no skin off my nose. The "dutch revolution" is really taking off too, isn't it? Happy days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Swallow the OS propoganda if you like mate, no skin off my nose. The "dutch revolution" is really taking off too, isn't it? Happy days... So hes right then. You have no idea of the real reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 So hes right then. You have no idea of the real reason. It's a very simple reason. We can't afford to keep him, and won't be prepard to 'gamble' to retain a player who has so far been something of a lynchpin. Yes, of course, I'm a pessamistic old b*start and distrustful of anything that comes out of the OS Lowe spin machine. Mind, year after year of gross mismanagement will do that to a fella... As I say, if it helps you younger chaps to get through a ****ty season by swalling everything on the OS hook line and sinker, good for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 there is enough depressing facts about the club without making up more for yourself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 OS says it was Jack's call. He will gave gone from Saints legend to traitor with this move. Are Watford scheduled to come here? He will be booed and catcalled! Grow up FFS. Can you honestly blame any player for wanting to leave this obvious sh1thole of a club? I just hope the last one out turns the lights off in case we can't afford the electric bill:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Swallow the OS propoganda if you like mate, no skin off my nose. The "dutch revolution" is really taking off too, isn't it? Happy days... The OS is exactly that and always will be to varying degrees. Anyone who thinks otherwise is sadly in denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 You really reckon Cork OR Chelsea would want him playing in a half-ar$ed joke of a club with a manager who is totally out of his depth, a team getting relegated and a chairman who is smug, and arrogant? Jeez, i remember 30 odd years ago a certain Lawrie Mac locking Kevin Keegan in a room and saying he wouldn't get out until he signed. Persuasion starts with wanting to and with trying, neither of which our "glorious" leader is capable of doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt SFC Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Watford fans seem chuffed.... http://www.wfcforums.com/showthread.php?t=26006 Good to see TSW quoted as breaking the news! this website makes me happy we're not allows sigs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 The adolescent mentality on here just gets worse, but it is odd that people who clearly dislike so much about the club continue to post on this website. Why not start an "I Hate Southampton FC and everyone connected with it" forum and post there where it doesn't pollute the discussions that genuine fans want to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron fan Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 You really reckon Cork OR Chelsea would want him playing in a half-ar$ed joke of a club with a manager who is totally out of his depth, a team getting relegated and a chairman who is smug, and arrogant? Jeez, i remember 30 odd years ago a certain Lawrie Mac locking Kevin Keegan in a room and saying he wouldn't get out until he signed. Persuasion starts with wanting to and with trying, neither of which our "glorious" leader is capable of doing. You mean Alan Ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 The adolescent mentality on here just gets worse, but it is odd that people who clearly dislike so much about the club continue to post on this website. Why not start an "I Hate Southampton FC and everyone connected with it" forum and post there where it doesn't pollute the discussions that genuine fans want to have. Sadly, they have already so infected this site, it has become their "spritual" home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron fan Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 The adolescent mentality on here just gets worse, but it is odd that people who clearly dislike so much about the club continue to post on this website. Why not start an "I Hate Southampton FC and everyone connected with it" forum and post there where it doesn't pollute the discussions that genuine fans want to have. Because no-one thinks this. There are, however, many of us who think that Lowe and Wilde are, not for the first time, totally mis-managing the club, their strategy including a non-sensical managerial appointment who, as many of us predicted, seems to be out of his depth. These issues naturally impact on just about any thread, footballing or financial, that someone might start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 You mean Alan Ball. Nope, he's right with Keegan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Because no-one thinks this. There are, however, many of us who think that Lowe and Wilde are, not for the first time, totally mis-managing the club, their strategy including a non-sensical managerial appointment who, as many of us predicted, seems to be out of his depth. These issues naturally impact on just about any thread, footballing or financial, that someone might start. Well like most people you have no idea of the background relating to the decisions made. With no money and a young team it is not a surprise to me that we are struggling The team needs support not this constant whingeing rubbish from lots of posters. We are where we are deep in the mire and we need to get through it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Nick Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 I assume that Watford offered to pay Chelsea more than we did, and that we refused to match or exceed Watford's offer. If Chelsea didn't want to extend the loan, there is not much the player could do about it. Championship football with Watford or reserves football with Chelsea? Not a difficult decision for Cork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron fan Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Nope, he's right with Keegan No he's not - read Bally's autobiography. You'll find the negotiations with Keegan took place mainly away from So'ton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan56 Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 The adolescent mentality on here just gets worse, but it is odd that people who clearly dislike so much about the club continue to post on this website. Why not start an "I Hate Southampton FC and everyone connected with it" forum and post there where it doesn't pollute the discussions that genuine fans want to have. Pollute the discussions of genuine fans!!? Instead of questionning the mentality of some on here, wake up and smell the coffee. This club is a joke, riddled with internal squabbling on and off the field, run by a board with the business acumen of Basil Brush and treating what's left of its once loyal fan base with nothing other than contempt. Why should such views not be reflected on this forum? After all they are clearly in the ascendancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 No he's not - read Bally's autobiography. You'll find the negotiations with Keegan took place mainly away from So'ton. Read Keegans Lawrie often likes to tell the story of how he locked Keegan in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 (edited) The adolescent mentality on here just gets worse, but it is odd that people who clearly dislike so much about the club continue to post on this website. Why not start an "I Hate Southampton FC and everyone connected with it" forum and post there where it doesn't pollute the discussions that genuine fans want to have. In the same way German's who didn't support Hitler should have started a "I hate Germany" campaign one presumes... Just because we don't agree with you or RL, and won't 'tow the party line' does not mean (a) that we don't support the club - in fact, I'd argue it actually proves we DO (b) that we should not be able to express our views openly. Um... someone who gets infuriated and hits out when people express opinions opposite to their own... now, just who is it you remind me of...? Edited 2 January, 2009 by SW11_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 I assume that Watford offered to pay Chelsea more than we did, and that we refused to match or exceed Watford's offer. If Chelsea didn't want to extend the loan, there is not much the player could do about it. Championship football with Watford or reserves football with Chelsea? Not a difficult decision for Cork. don't know but guess neither club would be paying a fee - big club to smaller club, developing young player loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 The adolescent mentality on here just gets worse, but it is odd that people who clearly dislike so much about the club continue to post on this website. Why not start an "I Hate Southampton FC and everyone connected with it" forum and post there where it doesn't pollute the discussions that genuine fans want to have. Wow:rolleyes::rolleyes: We haven't had that type of comment on here for all of about two days!!!!!! Posters on here don't hate Southampton FC, in fact it's their love of Saints that makes them so passionate and loud. But hey, ho, let's just dress up all the well held and well espoused views as pollution. Methinks you're the one with a low mentality if you continue to fail to distinguish the odd duff post (and poster), from the majority of well thought out and reasoned posts (and posters). I wantz Rupert7 out cuz hes possh innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 (edited) Pollute the discussions of genuine fans!!? Instead of questionning the mentality of some on here, wake up and smell the coffee. This club is a joke, riddled with internal squabbling on and off the field, run by a board with the business acumen of Basil Brush and treating what's left of its once loyal fan base with nothing other than contempt. Why should such views not be reflected on this forum? After all they are clearly in the ascendancy. It is very easy to post things like this when things are going wrong but we need to support the team . Insulting the board is not going to help they are trying to get the club to move forward but it is difficult with fans like you whining all the time. Surely you must realise that the club spent too much in the past on wages of £500,000 for players such as Thomas Euell Rasiak Skacel John Saga etc and it is now pay back time. Edited 2 January, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 It is very easy to post things like this when things are going wrong but we need to support the team . Insulting the board is not going to help they are trying to get the club to move forward but it is difficult with fans like you whining all the time. So to cap off Professors grand claim that supporters pollute this site with their views, we now have that old chestnut that it's the supporters fault. It's our whining that's holding the team back:rolleyes::rolleyes: The views of supporters (positive or negative) are mere symptons of the situation we find ourselves in, and in this case it is the policies of those temporarily in charge of the Club that have driven us to this point. Many thousands still turn up (just look at the Notts Forest game), so methinks you need to look to the boardroom and the results of some weird decisions for the reasons why it is hard to go forward, before you blame the hard pressed fans who have put up with so much rubbish recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 It is very easy to post things like this when things are going wrong but we need to support the team . Insulting the board is not going to help they are trying to get the club to move forward but it is difficult with fans like you whining all the time. Surely you must realise that the club spent too much in the past on wages of £500,000 for players such as Thomas Euell Rasiak Skacel John Saga etc and it is now pay back time. I don't see what money has to do with it, we can afford Cork. What is worrying IMO is that we have lost a player we wanted to keep to a shower of ****e like Watford. It might be that he was good mates with the guy at Watford and there is nothing we could have done about it. But it may also be the case that he just doesn't want to be part of some dozy chairman's experiments - given what has happened in the past I think we can be forgiven for assuming the worst. The guy was here half a season, he was playing regularly and playing well. You would assume he was half settled here, bonded with the other players/coaches and have a bit of loyalty to the team. To chuck all that in for a **** hole like Watford sugests to me that SFC is the circus we all think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 It is very easy to post things like this when things are going wrong but we need to support the team . Insulting the board is not going to help they are trying to get the club to move forward but it is difficult with fans like you whining all the time. Surely you must realise that the club spent too much in the past on wages of £500,000 for players such as Thomas Euell Rasiak Skacel John Saga etc and it is now pay back time. We do support the team, just not the idiots who continue to take this club spiralling downwards through daft decisions (and I include pretty much everyone who has served on the SFC/SLH board in the last 5-6 years in that number). As a season ticket of many years, a shareholder, and a loyal fan I have every right to criticise what I see as failing/failed management. Perhaps the club did spend too much on wages - again down to failed management at boardroom level - but I'd gladly see 1 or 2 of those out on loan currently back here for a spell scoring the goals we need to cling on to our CCC position. We've also spent far too much paying off mangerial contracts from ill thought out appointments... (of course, that is never mentioned when analysing our parlous financial predicament). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 What is worrying IMO is that we have lost a player we wanted to keep to a shower of ****e like Watford. It might be that he was good mates with the guy at Watford and there is nothing we could have done about it. But it may also be the case that he just doesn't want to be part of some dozy chairman's experiments - given what has happened in the past I think we can be forgiven for assuming the worst. The guy was here half a season, he was playing regularly and playing well. You would assume he was half settled here, bonded with the other players/coaches and have a bit of loyalty to the team. To chuck all that in for a **** hole like Watford sugests to me that SFC is the circus we all think it is. Thats whats worrying me. Maybe he did go for football, but I cant help thinking he wanted out for some other reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4INT Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 We do support the team, just not the idiots who continue to take this club spiralling downwards through daft decisions (and I include pretty much everyone who has served on the SFC/SLH board in the last 5-6 years in that number). As a season ticket of many years, a shareholder, and a loyal fan I have every right to criticise what I see as failing/failed management. Perhaps the club did spend too much on wages - again down to failed management at boardroom level - but I'd gladly see 1 or 2 of those out on loan currently back here for a spell scoring the goals we need to cling on to our CCC position. We've also spent far too much paying off mangerial contracts from ill thought out appointments... (of course, that is never mentioned when analysing our parlous financial predicament). And yet people keep wanting us to churn through the managers! I say give JP til the end of February and then act. And I'd like to say give him more time but I wont... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 2 January, 2009 Share Posted 2 January, 2009 Jack Cork's girlfriend lives in Watford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 And yet people keep wanting us to churn through the managers! I say give JP til the end of February and then act. And I'd like to say give him more time but I wont... Less a case of people 'wanting managers out' more a case of blatantly ill-judged appointments from the board in the first place. You are then left with no choice but to act (or would you have persevered with Wigley?). End of Feb will be far too late - we will be marooned in the bottom three by then no doubt, but then I doubt Lowe will act at all, so you'll likely get your wish, and the rest of us will suffer the consequences... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 Jack Cork's girlfriend lives in Watford. She does now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 Interesting that they say it is because of the manager. The records say Cork has been out on loan since 2006. Which was when he was in charge of the reserves at Chelsea. Im guessing Cork did not play many first team reserve games? At the end of the day if i was a player and was lumped together with our manager and board i would want to leave too. Im sure most of you would to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 Im sure most of you would to. You're quite right there!!!!! If Saints weren't so ingrained in us and held deep in our hearts, then we would have upped sticks and fcckukced off ages ago!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 If you wanted to develop your career as a promising young centre back who would you rather work with. Jan Poortvliet, struggling to make a mark with the worst team of his clubs generation or Watford, a stable environment with a coach he is familiar with? Its a no sodding brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 For Cork it's all about his development and what's best for it, according to both Jack and Chelsea. He has the choice of playing for his ex-Chelsea boss who he probably has a lot of time for ... or playing for Jan Poortvliet. What's he gonna learn from Jan... assuming that he can understand what the **** he's taking about anyway. If I was him, I'd be gone too. Good luck to him. It's our look out that we have only 3 centre backs at the club, one is a cripple, one is 35 and the other is a donkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack the Saint Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 Interesting that they say it is because of the manager. The records say Cork has been out on loan since 2006. Which was when he was in charge of the reserves at Chelsea. Im guessing Cork did not play many first team reserve games? At the end of the day if i was a player and was lumped together with our manager and board i would want to leave too. Im sure most of you would to. He was captain of Chelsea reserves under Brendan Rogers for what it's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 Chelsea would not allow Jack to make such a call by himself. If I were Chelsea I would put Jack in Watford - Saints are going to be relegated, playing him out of position, are poorly run, low morale ... God can people not see? Why the hell would any team want to destroy the confidence of one of their up and coming players by keeping them at a Club full of League 1/2 quality players when it is going down? Sorry - but I think it may have been Jack's call... but I sense some guidance. Anyway, if it was Jack's call... WHY? WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE TEAM JP/LOWE? WHY DOES THIS NIPPA NOT ENDORSE OUR YOUTH ABILITY IN FAVOUR OF A 'SMALLER' CLUB??????? Damning verdict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2009 Share Posted 3 January, 2009 chelsea would not allow jack to make such a call by himself. If i were chelsea i would put jack in watford - saints are going to be relegated, playing him out of position, are poorly run, low morale ... God can people not see? Why the hell would any team want to destroy the confidence of one of their up and coming players by keeping them at a club full of league 1/2 quality players when it is going down? Sorry - but i think it may have been jack's call... But i sense some guidance. Anyway, if it was jack's call... Why? What's wrong with the team jp/lowe? Why does this nippa not endorse our youth ability in favour of a 'smaller' club??????? Damning verdict. obsesssedddddd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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