Terrorist Attacks - WARNING: CONTAINS DISTRESSING IMAGES

[1885]

Just a short reminder :

Islamistic terror caused zero fatalities (besides the assassins themselves) so far, right wing terror including the NSU caused twenty !

[whelk]

Just a short reminder :

Islamistic terror caused zero fatalities (besides the assassins themselves) so far, right wing terror including the NSU caused twenty !

 

You have just shown yourself to be a complete cnt. Although never seen you here before so assume some sad little troll or the thickest of fckers.

[1885]

You have just shown yourself to be a complete cnt. Although never seen you here before so assume some sad little troll or the thickest of fckers.

 

Why that ? I was talking about Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSU_murders

 

There's a "join" date in my profile as well...

[whelk]

Why that ? I was talking about Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSU_murders

 

There's a "join" date in my profile as well...

 

Oh Germany. Yeah this thread is clearly talking about Germany.

 

Would you say your pathetic comments to the 5yo orphan whose parents were mowed down in Nice? Tell her don't worry skinheads are a bigger problem statistically in Germany.

 

Honestly I despair when people pull out figures to apologise (they will always deny being apologists of course) for these atrocities.

Cancer kills more people why isn't that the news.

[Verbal]

Damn this Muslim to hell. How dare he...

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/father-of-a-muslim-soldier-killed-in-action-tells-donald-trump-you-have-sacrificed-nothing-and-no-a7161466.html

[1885]

Oh Germany. Yeah this thread is clearly talking about Germany.

 

Would you say your pathetic comments to the 5yo orphan whose parents were mowed down in Nice? Tell her don't worry skinheads are a bigger problem statistically in Germany.

 

Honestly I despair when people pull out figures to apologise (they will always deny being apologists of course) for these atrocities.

Cancer kills more people why isn't that the news.

 

Of course it does not make a difference for those directly affected.

But it makes a difference if you are more likely to be killed by right wing terrorism (or a lightning strike) than from Islamic terror, when everybody tells you that this is what you have to be afraid of.

[Sour Mash]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36932227

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/13/amsterdams-schiphol-airport-partly-evacuated-in-security-alert?CMP=share_btn_tw

 

Just another day in Western Europe.

[sadoldgit]

Oh Germany. Yeah this thread is clearly talking about Germany.

 

Would you say your pathetic comments to the 5yo orphan whose parents were mowed down in Nice? Tell her don't worry skinheads are a bigger problem statistically in Germany.

 

Honestly I despair when people pull out figures to apologise (they will always deny being apologists of course) for these atrocities.

Cancer kills more people why isn't that the news.

 

But it is in the news, constantly.

[sadoldgit]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36932227

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/13/amsterdams-schiphol-airport-partly-evacuated-in-security-alert?CMP=share_btn_tw

 

Just another day in Western Europe.

 

Just another day on TSW Islamophobe thread.

[Verbal]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36932227

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/13/amsterdams-schiphol-airport-partly-evacuated-in-security-alert?CMP=share_btn_tw

 

Just another day in Western Europe.

 

What would you do about it?

[hutch]

What would you do about it?

What do you reckon? Will a bit of mild turning a blind eye be enough?

 

Or do we need full blown censorship?

[Verbal]

What do you reckon? Will a bit of mild turning a blind eye be enough?

 

Or do we need full blown censorship?

 

What would you do about it?

[whelk]

Good to hear. Throw the fcker in a landfill site

[aintforever]

Good to hear. Throw the fcker in a landfill site

 

Good to see, the Muslim community need to do more stuff like this. Would be interesting to know if the 7/7 bombers over here were given the same treatment.

[Sour Mash]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1528756/hundreds-of-syrians-in-uk-arrested-over-string-of-offences-including-rape-and-child-abuse/

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

It seems to me that terrorism is not only a 'private enterprise' activity because states too are not adverse to partipating whenever it suits them. Evidence of this are reports that no less than five of the Syrian city of Aleppo's nine hospitals (and a blood bank) have been bombed in recent days:

 

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/i-would-rather-die-here-rebel-held-aleppo-residents-caught-307797434

 

I would hope that we can all agree that civilian medical facilities are not really what you might call "legitimate" military or industrial targets - even in a bitterly contested civil war. So how else could you possibly describe deliberetly targeting hospitals but as a act of state sponsored terror, or at least a warcrime? And yet in stark contrast to the level of reaction that other recent terrorist incidents receive on here these particular acts of terror have been allowed to pass virtually without comment for some reason. Indeed, the silence from some is quite deafening.

 

So I ask myself where are all those outraged posts from our 'usual suspects' who are so quick to condemn terrorism when Muslims are the perpetrators of terror rather than its victims? Not that I would claim for one moment that some estimed SWF members would ever maintain a obvious double standard of course ...

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

It seems to me that terrorism is not only a 'private enterprise' activity because states too are not adverse to partipating whenever it suits them. Evidence of this are reports that no less than five of the Syrian city of Aleppo's nine hospitals (and a blood bank) have been bombed in recent days:

 

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/i-would-rather-die-here-rebel-held-aleppo-residents-caught-307797434

 

I would hope that we can all agree that civilian medical facilities are not really what you might call "legitimate" military or industrial targets - even in a bitterly contested civil war. So how else could you possibly describe deliberetly targeting hospitals but as a act of state sponsored terror, or at least a warcrime? And yet in stark contrast to the level of reaction that other recent terrorist incidents receive on here these particular acts of terror have been allowed to pass virtually without comment for some reason. Indeed, the silence from some is quite deafening.

 

So I ask myself where are all those outraged posts from our 'usual suspects' who are so quick to condemn terrorism when Muslims are the perpetrators of terror rather than its victims? Not that I would claim for one moment that some estimed SWF members would ever maintain a obvious double standard of course ...

 

Assad is an Alawite a branch of Islam. I expect that he would argue that the hospitals did not just have civilians in.

 

Personally I hope that the West has learnt that dictators in the Middle East are far better at keeping the peace than democracies. The region would be a lot more peaceful if you still had Gaddafi and Saddam even if it offends our western sentimentalities. I imagine that most Syrians would dream about turning back the clock to before the war. We allowed it to be a stand off between us supporting the rebels and the Russians supporting Assad and years of tragedy unfolded.

[Plastic]

Good to hear. Throw the fcker in a landfill site

 

Some more solidarity

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36936658

[Verbal]

Assad is an Alawite a branch of Islam. I expect that he would argue that the hospitals did not just have civilians in.

 

As Assad hasn't actually made this argument - not least because the perpetrators were probably the Russians - I have no idea why you feel the need to come up with a vicious dictator's excuses for him.

 

You seem unaware, too, that it's a war crime to bomb hospitals, period.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

As Assad hasn't actually made this argument - not least because the perpetrators were probably the Russians - I have no idea why you feel the need to come up with a vicious dictator's excuses for him.

 

You seem unaware, too, that it's a war crime to bomb hospitals, period.

 

I think that as Assad represents this minority party of the country it is probably appropriate. I do not condone the bombing of hospitals but I expect that understandably the hospitals were probably not just full of civilians. I think that it was great that Syria was a relatively secular society under Assad but I doubt it ever will be again. It saddens me that it became a focus of conflict between Russian and the West. I do know that Syria before the war was a good country and if we should never have let it deteriorate into this tragic situation. That is a crime between us and the Russians. I also greatly respect your opinion on this part of the world and enjoy your viewpoint because it is my qualified than my own. It genuinely shapes my understanding and hopefully others.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

I think that as Assad represents this minority party of the country it is probably appropriate. I do not condone the bombing of hospitals but I expect that understandably the hospitals were probably not just full of civilians. I think that it was great that Syria was a relatively secular society under Assad but I doubt it ever will be again. It saddens me that it became a focus of conflict between Russian and the West. I do know that Syria before the war was a good country and if we should never have let it deteriorate into this tragic situation. That is a crime between us and the Russians. I also greatly respect your opinion on this part of the world and enjoy your viewpoint because it is my qualified than my own. It genuinely shapes my understanding and hopefully others.

 

I meant to say more qualified than my own opinion. Why is the foreign office full of the right people.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Assad is an Alawite a branch of Islam. I expect that he would argue that the hospitals did not just have civilians in.

 

One of the bombed hospitals was actualy a MATERNITY unit by the way. But please feel free to try and justify that if you can.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

I am not trying to justify atrocities just trying to point out albeit clumsily that I do not really see this as a clash between good and evil; both sides are just as bad.

[Verbal]

I am not trying to justify atrocities just trying to point out albeit clumsily that I do not really see this as a clash between good and evil; both sides are just as bad.

 

Take the hospitals out of it though. They are run and only run outside of regime or IS control by two sets of people: Syrian doctors and/or Medicins san Frontieres. If it's high-tech - as this hospital was - it's more likely the latter (although Syrian medics are very highly trained and well regarded). An MSF hospital was also bombed two months ago, killing medical staff and patients. There has never been a shred of evidence that hospitals in these war zones are part of rebel or militant combat operations, and they are all very clearly marked and notified as hospitals. Any targeting of them therefore is almost certainly intentional - and the intention is to inflict maximum pain on civilian populations, thereby inflating the refugee crisis.

 

On the more general point about the happiness of people under Assad and Saddam, it's important to know that there's a key distinction between the behaviour of the dictators and that of IS. IS learned all its savagery from Assad and Saddam's enforcers (the latter are one and the same), but IS took it one (insignificant) step further by making torture videos out of it all and broadcasting them to the world. Saddam and Assad and their goons had a habit of making the same videos - they just circulated them much less widely. They were meant as entertainment for themselves and their mates, and they are, if anything, worse than the worst of IS's death-porn.

 

In both cases - IS and Assaddam - you became a victim not by rebelling against them necessarily but merely by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

All of this is lost in the 'post-fact' noise - the Russians, with RT and social media bots, and the Syrians with the SEA, have run effective campaigns in trying to undermine any of the overwhelming evidence of war crimes and savagery. Some in the West fall for it - I see a few links to RT on here from time to time, which is depressing because it shows depths of conspiracist-cretin gullibility I didn't think were possible. I'm not suggesting you're one of these, but I'd say the people to listen to for reliable information are MSF, some of the citizen-journalist groups like Raqqa is Being Slaughtered Silently, and journalists, like Jeremy Scahill, with a long track record of independent reporting in the region.

[hutch]

An MSF hospital was also bombed two months ago, killing medical staff and patients. There has never been a shred of evidence that hospitals in these war zones are part of rebel or militant combat operations, and they are all very clearly marked and notified as hospitals. Any targeting of them therefore is almost certainly intentional

How do you reconcile your opinion with MSF's own public statements that say the opposite?

 

Hospitals in opposition-held parts of Syria are refusing to share GPS coordinates with Russian and Syrian authorities because of repeated attacks on medical facilities and workers, Médecins Sans Frontières and humanitarian workers on the ground have said.

[buctootim]

How do you reconcile your opinion with MSF's own public statements that say the opposite?

 

Because MSF only operate a minority of the hospitals. MSF stopped supplying the Assad regime with co-ordinates because they found it increased attacks, not lower them.

 

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/04/28/476064028/syria-hospital-bombing-are-the-rules-of-war-blowing-up

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36926063

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/09/world/middleeast/aleppo-syria-hospitals-airstrikes.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35583977

[Verbal]

How do you reconcile your opinion with MSF's own public statements that say the opposite?

 

Because it doesn't say the opposite at all. I made no claim about supplying GPS coordinates to the Russians or Syrians. That would be mad, given their murderous attacks directly on hospitals. The hospitals were nonetheless clearly marked and known about, not least because many have been there for decades.

 

Here's the one I was referring to in Aleppo, that was targeted directly. It was clearly marked as a hospital.

 

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/05/syria-un-security-council-must-step-up-pressure-to-end-attacks-on-hospitals-as-hundreds-killed-in-aleppo/

[whelk]

Encouraging that many are 'chickening out'

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/uk-educated-isil-supergrass-claims-terror-group-planning-simulta/

[sadoldgit]

And yet we are told that all Muslims pose a risk? That will upset some here.

[Sour Mash]

Just another Muslim butchering people in Western Europe last night, this time in London. Barely even headline news.

[buctootim]

Just another Muslim butchering people in Western Europe last night, this time in London. Barely even headline news.

 

Thats odd. I thought it was all over the news. By contrast these two fatal stabbings also in London on the same night weren't. I wonder why that is?

http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/14663378.Police_launch_murder_probe_in_Lewisham_after_teenager_stabbed_in_street/?ref=rss

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/police-launch-murder-probe-after-man-is-stabbed-on-battersea-estate-a3311426.html

 

Why don't you and Jamie come out with what it is you want? forced deportations? gassing? Too shy to say? Only enough balls to witter and insinuate?

Edited 4 August, 2016 by buctootim

[Sour Mash]

Thats odd. I thought it was all over the news. By contrast these two fatal stabbings also in London on the same night weren't. I wonder why that is?

http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/14663378.Police_launch_murder_probe_in_Lewisham_after_teenager_stabbed_in_street/?ref=rss

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/police-launch-murder-probe-after-man-is-stabbed-on-battersea-estate-a3311426.html

 

Why don't you and Jamie come out with what it is you want? forced deportations? gassing? Too shy to say? Only enough balls to witter and insinuate?

 

I'm sorry to see the problem of muslim terror in Europe upsets you so much, good you get to let your anger out on here though.

[buctootim]

I'm sorry to see the problem of muslim terror in Europe upsets you so much, good you get to let your anger out on here though.

 

No Im good ta. Off on holiday to Paris and South of France next week with the kids. But then Im not the one scouring newspapers for snippets in a vain attempt to whip up hate. Trying to ressurect the long dead NF must be a thankless task.

[Sour Mash]

No Im good ta. Off on holiday to Paris and South of France next week with the kids. But then Im not the one scouring newspapers for snippets in a vain attempt to whip up hate. Trying to ressurect the long dead NF must be a thankless task.

Apologies for posting about sustained Islamic terrorist attacks on the thread about terrorist attacks, I hadn't expected it to get you so angry and confused

[Sour Mash]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/french-police-seek-afghan-asylum-seeker-suspected-to-be-planning-attack-on-paris/ar-BBvgDjU?ocid=spartanntp

 

I hope this link doesn't get Buctootim too upset.

[Verbal]

Just another Muslim butchering people in Western Europe last night, this time in London. Barely even headline news.

 

What would you do about it?

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Apologies for posting about sustained Islamic terrorist attacks on the thread about terrorist attacks, I hadn't expected it to get you so angry and confused

 

But the Metropolitan Police seem pretty confident that yesterday's incident in London was NOT a terrorist attack, but rather the actions of one mentally ill individual. If that is wrong then you should provide some evidence to support any such contention.

 

In the meantime if you want to see a "confused" person then methinks you need only look in a mirror.

[Sour Mash]

What would you do about it?

Why do I need to do anything about it?

[Sour Mash]

But the Metropolitan Police seem pretty confident that yesterday's incident in London was NOT a terrorist attack, but rather the actions of one mentally ill individual. If that is wrong then you should provide some evidence to support any such contention.

 

In the meantime if you want to see a "confused" person then methinks you need only look in a mirror.

True, its probably just an awkward coincidence that all the butchering of random innocent people across Europe by the mentally ill just happen to also be muslim, there's no correlation there.

[badgerx16]

True, its probably just an awkward coincidence that all the butchering of random innocent people across Europe by the mentally ill just happen to also be muslim, there's no correlation there.

 

Not sure this guy is muslim;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/08/mentally-ill-man-sentenced-to-life-after-stabbing-retired-solici/

 

However, you could always move to Montana if you're concerned for your safety;

 

"Fears about Muslim refugees settling in the American West"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36944701

Edited 4 August, 2016 by badgerx16

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

True, its probably just an awkward coincidence that all the butchering of random innocent people across Europe by the mentally ill just happen to also be muslim, there's no correlation there.

 

I think you will find that no one religion holds a monopoly on mental illness - even Klan supporters have been known to suffer from this problem.

[1885]

True, its probably just an awkward coincidence that all the butchering of random innocent people across Europe by the mentally ill just happen to also be muslim, there's no correlation there.

 

Just as there's no correlation that stabbings + shootings not committed by foreigners rarely make the news...

[whelk]

Thats odd. I thought it was all over the news. By contrast these two fatal stabbings also in London on the same night weren't. I wonder why that is?

http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/14663378.Police_launch_murder_probe_in_Lewisham_after_teenager_stabbed_in_street/?ref=rss

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/police-launch-murder-probe-after-man-is-stabbed-on-battersea-estate-a3311426.html

 

Why don't you and Jamie come out with what it is you want? forced deportations? gassing? Too shy to say? Only enough balls to witter and insinuate?

 

Do you really wonder why that is? Quite obvious that Russell Square stabbing a was big news.

[whelk]

Just as there's no correlation that stabbings + shootings not committed by foreigners rarely make the news...

 

You think this is a media racist xenophobic conspiracy?

 

You think if the Russell Square stabbing a were committed by a bloke born in Yeovil it would get less coverage?

[buctootim]

Naive understanding of the news and recon ace with viewers/readers. You might not agree but if you think Sun readers want to read about Yemen then going to always feel let down.

 

That was just a pic btw so couldn't see the story. I don't see this as tit for tat this is worse than that though - it to snt a competition.

 

So you agree that media outlets set the news agenda? You agree that is what is newsworthy isnt necessarily the same as giving information? Why do IS get all the coverage when they have accounted for less than 10% of the dead?

 

We are doing exactly what IS want - giving them massive publicity and being afraid.

 

At least IS murder with a plan - global jihad. We have no plan, we arent even consistent. Turkey buy IS's oil and fund them and arm them. The US arm 'moderates' who sell their weapons to IS. We want to get rid of both IS and Assad (who has killed the most of the c450,000 dead) but have no idea what comes after or how to bring it about. So we bomb, in the absence of any semblance of a plan, because we think we have to be seen to be doing something. More Libya anyone?

 

The Western coalition arent the biggest killers in Syria - but we are prolonging the war, increasing the number of dead and driving people out of Syria - which provides very handy cover for IS infiltration into Europe, cover which wouldnt otherwise exist. So we are enabling our own terrorism. Its yet another cluster**** after Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now Syria.

Edited 5 August, 2016 by buctootim

[whelk]

Media don't set it but they understand what public want. Unfortunately it is not the New Day or the Independent.

 

Risk of sounding patronising but many people are thick and have little attention span.

 

Re. Propaganda - dangerous which ever way you go. Public like horror.

Interesting that feeding ISIS has been levelled at this NYTImes journalist mentioned by Obama.

 

http://www.wired.com/2016/08/rukmini-callimachi-new-york-times-isis/

[van Hanegem]

I think you will find that no one religion holds a monopoly on mental illness - even Klan supporters have been known to suffer from this problem.

 

Correct, you need to have a mental illness to really believe the crap any religion will offer you. However, there's only one religion looking for expansion and abolishment from non-islamic laws and has an all-embracing and specific law system that violates basic human rights.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Correct, you need to have a mental illness to really believe the crap any religion will offer you ...

 

I'm not a believer myself, but more than a few of the very best human beings it has ever been my privilege to meet in life have people of faith. So I can't really agree with the above comment.

[van Hanegem]

I'm not a believer myself, but more than a few of the very best human beings it has ever been my privilege to meet in life have people of faith. So I can't really agree with the above comment.

 

Oh I have met them too Charlie, one of them even believes I'm going to hell if I don't convert before I die. Who says you can't be a nice person when suffering from a mental illness? Well, maybe I was lucky to meet the ones with a sense of humour, at least they could laugh about George Carlin...

 

[Batman]

Machette attack in Belgium toward a couple of coppers by a man shouting Allahu Akbar

 

probably someone with a mental illness. nothing more than that

Edited 6 August, 2016 by Batman