Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Warriorsaint]

Remember Tory mps voted for this practice. Fire and rehire amendment defeated by Tories.

UK law allows this now so any Conservative voter can have no complaints. This is what they voted for. Capitalism at work pure and simple.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Warriorsaint said:

New Brexit Bingo award. P and O have sacked all 800 inboard staff and reflagged under Cyprus flag in order to rehire EU staff.

Another Brexit win eh?

wheres this list of Benefits eh?

That's Sultan Bin Sulayem for ya.

[Warriorsaint]

 

[Guided Missile]

14 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

That's Sultan Bin Sulayem for ya.

I'm not surprised the lefties on here are jumping up and down and frothing at the mouth. We've seen it all before, here in Southampton. Efficiency and capitalism trumps a dogmatic and Marxist union's inflexibility, then they get bitten in the arse by the economic realities and an owner who gets fed up pissing £100m a year down the drain. The RMT hardly garnered public support for their workers on the London underground recently, spreading misery and inconvenience among pandemic weary commuters, so they've had this coming. Welcome to the real world, where we all can see what happens when communists try and dictate. I'm just thankful Mick Lynch and his rabble aren't armed. The sooner we have robots driving the Underground trains and cheap foreign labour crewing P & O ships the better for everyone. 

...and blaming Brexit. Even for the pea brained Remainers, that's a stretch.

[Guided Missile]

Oooh look, here's Eddie Dempsey, Assistant General secretary of the RMT, with pro-Russian separatist Alexander Mozgovoy, in 2015. I guess he sent a nice bunch of flowers to his funeral, after the Ukrainians took him out, and a condolence card to Putin.

[Weston Super Saint]

There's a job going for one of them - 799 to go...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-60779178

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The ferry operator role would involve operating the ferry, a powerboat and a rowing boat across the River Ore.

 

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

I'm not surprised the lefties on here are jumping up and down and frothing at the mouth. We've seen it all before, here in Southampton. Efficiency and capitalism trumps a dogmatic and Marxist union's inflexibility, then they get bitten in the arse by the economic realities and an owner who gets fed up pissing £100m a year down the drain. The RMT hardly garnered public support for their workers on the London underground recently, spreading misery and inconvenience among pandemic weary commuters, so they've had this coming. Welcome to the real world, where we all can see what happens when communists try and dictate. I'm just thankful Mick Lynch and his rabble aren't armed. The sooner we have robots driving the Underground trains and cheap foreign labour crewing P & O ships the better for everyone. 

...and blaming Brexit. Even for the pea brained Remainers, that's a stretch.

Oh to live in a world where anything that isn't a state-owned entity sacking 800 workers on the spot = communism.

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

I'm not surprised the lefties on here are jumping up and down and frothing at the mouth. We've seen it all before, here in Southampton. Efficiency and capitalism trumps a dogmatic and Marxist union's inflexibility, then they get bitten in the arse by the economic realities and an owner who gets fed up pissing £100m a year down the drain. The RMT hardly garnered public support for their workers on the London underground recently, spreading misery and inconvenience among pandemic weary commuters, so they've had this coming. Welcome to the real world, where we all can see what happens when communists try and dictate. I'm just thankful Mick Lynch and his rabble aren't armed. The sooner we have robots driving the Underground trains and cheap foreign labour crewing P & O ships the better for everyone. 

...and blaming Brexit. Even for the pea brained Remainers, that's a stretch.

It isn't the fact that people are being made redundant, that happens to lots of people - including me. It's the illegal way it is being done, or don't you believe in the rule of Law when it comes to employment rights ?

[Tamesaint]

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

It isn't the fact that people are being made redundant, that happens to lots of people - including me. It's the illegal way it is being done, or don't you believe in the rule of Law when it comes to employment rights ?

 What Shit for Brains believes in is rather scary. It's best not to go there.😁

[Weston Super Saint]

3 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

It isn't the fact that people are being made redundant, that happens to lots of people - including me. It's the illegal way it is being done, or don't you believe in the rule of Law when it comes to employment rights ?

Might depend on the country where their contract of employment is held. By UK standards it certainly doesn't appear that any consultation has happened. If they are not governed by UK law (maybe their contracts are from Dubai??), you'd need to check the relevant law...

[badgerx16]

36 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Might depend on the country where their contract of employment is held. By UK standards it certainly doesn't appear that any consultation has happened. If they are not governed by UK law (maybe their contracts are from Dubai??), you'd need to check the relevant law...

According to some reports their contracts were with P&O Ferries(Jersey).

Regardless, even Government Ministers are up in arms at the company's actions. I am amazed that anybody might think there is even the slightrst justification for the company's behaviour.

Edited 18 March, 2022 by badgerx16

[Warriorsaint]

13 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

According to some reports their contracts were with P&O Ferries(Jersey).

Regardless, even Government Ministers are up in arms at the company's actions. I am amazed that anybody might think there is even the slightrst justification for the company's behaviour.

The Govt ministers already knew. Not a surprise. As if this Tory lot care. Something will only happen if it affects their optics.

[whelk]

Running ferries on agency staff is going to cause problems surely. Half the time the fuckers won’t turn up.

Disgraceful behaviour and absolutely no way I will ever catch a ferry with these cunts ever again.

[Weston Super Saint]

4 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

According to some reports their contracts were with P&O Ferries(Jersey).

Regardless, even Government Ministers are up in arms at the company's actions. I am amazed that anybody might think there is even the slightrst justification for the company's behaviour.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying what they did, merely pointing out that there "could" be a reason why it wasn't illegal.

If their contracts are covered by UK employment law, then this will be the easiest group claim for wrongful dismissal ever put before the tribunal system!

[badgerx16]

4 hours ago, whelk said:

Running ferries on agency staff is going to cause problems surely. Half the time the fuckers won’t turn up.

Disgraceful behaviour and absolutely no way I will ever catch a ferry with these cunts ever again.

Would you want to be on the first sailing with the new crew, who have no idea how the ships operate, haven't done ang safety training, have never been into the harbours, and probably don't speak the language in use at either end of the route.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying what they did, merely pointing out that there "could" be a reason why it wasn't illegal.

If their contracts are covered by UK employment law, then this will be the easiest group claim for wrongful dismissal ever put before the tribunal system!

Even under UAE employment law there doesn't look to be a legal way to terminate the workers in the way they have!

https://u.ae/en/information-and-services/jobs/terminating-employment-contracts

Although I'm not sure how succesful a law suit against a company owned by the Government is likely to be...

[badgerx16]

21 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Might depend on the country where their contract of employment is held. By UK standards it certainly doesn't appear that any consultation has happened. If they are not governed by UK law (maybe their contracts are from Dubai??), you'd need to check the relevant law...

UK Law determines that you are governed by the jurisdiction you work in, reagrdless of where your employer is based.

20 hours ago, Warriorsaint said:

The Govt ministers already knew. Not a surprise. As if this Tory lot care. Something will only happen if it affects their optics.

The Government were told the day before - legally it has to be 45 days before.

[swannymere]

On 18/03/2022 at 06:14, Guided Missile said:

I'm not surprised the lefties on here are jumping up and down and frothing at the mouth. We've seen it all before, here in Southampton. Efficiency and capitalism trumps a dogmatic and Marxist union's inflexibility, then they get bitten in the arse by the economic realities and an owner who gets fed up pissing £100m a year down the drain. The RMT hardly garnered public support for their workers on the London underground recently, spreading misery and inconvenience among pandemic weary commuters, so they've had this coming. Welcome to the real world, where we all can see what happens when communists try and dictate. I'm just thankful Mick Lynch and his rabble aren't armed. The sooner we have robots driving the Underground trains and cheap foreign labour crewing P & O ships the better for everyone. 

...and blaming Brexit. Even for the pea brained Remainers, that's a stretch.

You do realise that Communists, Socialists and Marxists are different, right? And whilst i know you're fishing, explain the Capitalist train companies? Cheers.

Edited 19 March, 2022 by swannymere
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[swannymere]

Would love to know where her 'team' were when she decided to do this, utter contempt for the workers. Did she actually think she would come out on top?

 

[Guided Missile]

19 hours ago, swannymere said:

You do realise that Communists, Socialists and Marxists are different, right? And whilst i know you're fishing, explain the Capitalist train companies? Cheers.

You're right, Communists, Socialists and Marxists are different. You may not be aware that the transformation of society into Socialism, and ultimately to Communism is the philosophy of Marxism. While I'm fishing, trade unions in this country, with whom Capitalist train companies have to deal, are by and large Marxist constructs. Rather like Capitalist countries like Ukraine having to deal with Russia. Trade Unions have done more damage to the "working class" in this country than any other organisation. So much so that the "working class" no longer exist. Just look at Southampton. Pirelli, Vospers, Ford and many other manufacturers forced out, when global capitalism meets  parochial Marxist unions, leading the sheep to the slaughterhouse. What is left is bitterness and class envy against those that embraced the opportunities that capitalism and democracy offer, rather than treat such circumstances as lessons to learn.

[badgerx16]

42 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

You're right, Communists, Socialists and Marxists are different. You may not be aware that the transformation of society into Socialism, and ultimately to Communism is the philosophy of Marxism. While I'm fishing, trade unions in this country, with whom Capitalist train companies have to deal, are by and large Marxist constructs. Rather like Capitalist countries like Ukraine having to deal with Russia. Trade Unions have done more damage to the "working class" in this country than any other organisation. So much so that the "working class" no longer exist. Just look at Southampton. Pirelli, Vospers, Ford and many other manufacturers forced out, when global capitalism meets  parochial Marxist unions, leading the sheep to the slaughterhouse. What is left is bitterness and class envy against those that embraced the opportunities that capitalism and democracy offer, rather than treat such circumstances as lessons to learn.

You are correct about the benefits of capitalism; just look at the example of the P&O workers sacked to make way for cheaper foreign labour. I am sure that the "opportunity" afforded them will be "embraced" with joy and thanks.

[Warriorsaint]

On 20/03/2022 at 08:14, badgerx16 said:

You are correct about the benefits of capitalism; just look at the example of the P&O workers sacked to make way for cheaper foreign labour. I am sure that the "opportunity" afforded them will be "embraced" with joy and thanks.

Indians being paid £1.20 an hour to replace the British workers at P&O ahahahahaha lol. This is what  the Brexit disaster capitalists voted for lol 😂 

British jobs for British people 😂 

[swannymere]

On 20/03/2022 at 07:29, Guided Missile said:

You're right, Communists, Socialists and Marxists are different. You may not be aware that the transformation of society into Socialism, and ultimately to Communism is the philosophy of Marxism. While I'm fishing, trade unions in this country, with whom Capitalist train companies have to deal, are by and large Marxist constructs. Rather like Capitalist countries like Ukraine having to deal with Russia. Trade Unions have done more damage to the "working class" in this country than any other organisation. So much so that the "working class" no longer exist. Just look at Southampton. Pirelli, Vospers, Ford and many other manufacturers forced out, when global capitalism meets  parochial Marxist unions, leading the sheep to the slaughterhouse. What is left is bitterness and class envy against those that embraced the opportunities that capitalism and democracy offer, rather than treat such circumstances as lessons to learn.

I do like how you've spun looking out for workers interests to be somehow un-British, surely the companies wanting it all their way and buying politicians to seal the deal is more of a problem? Aside from trying to spin the Trade Unions as the bad guys please explain South Eastern, Go-Ahead, Govia, Elodie Brian and the £25Million of taxpayer funding which is now under investigation by the Serious Fraud Office? No sniff of Union problems, or is that too inconvenient? Come on GM, you used to be good at this, the lazy attitude to your work is making me sad for the old days.

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, Warriorsaint said:

Indians being paid £1.20 an hour to replace the British workers at P&O ahahahahaha lol. This is what  the Brexit disaster capitalists voted for lol 😂 

British jobs for British people 😂 

I suspect you're getting your Brexit and General Election campaigns mixed up, no surprise there.

The more I see about this P&O debacle, the more it doesn't make any sense.  It's still not clear under what jurisdiction the workers' contracts were written, but assuming UK employment law, then P&O are in for a pounding in the tribunals.  Absolutely no evidence that any form of consultation was carried out, so slam dunk verdict that this can't be considered a 'redundancy' process.  Not to mention the almost immediate 'replacement' of the workers, guaranteeing a ruling against redundancy so any workers with over 2 years service will be guaranteed a payout.  Any workers with less than 2 years service are on their own though and won't get a penny, which is the travesty of UK employment law.

Wait until Warrior finds out what cruise ship workers get paid (especially those from India and the Philippines), it'll blow his mind, especially given how long those labour markets have been exploited so the rich folk can eat canapes.

[spyinthesky]

17 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I suspect you're getting your Brexit and General Election campaigns mixed up, no surprise there.

The more I see about this P&O debacle, the more it doesn't make any sense.  It's still not clear under what jurisdiction the workers' contracts were written, but assuming UK employment law, then P&O are in for a pounding in the tribunals.  Absolutely no evidence that any form of consultation was carried out, so slam dunk verdict that this can't be considered a 'redundancy' process.  Not to mention the almost immediate 'replacement' of the workers, guaranteeing a ruling against redundancy so any workers with over 2 years service will be guaranteed a payout.  Any workers with less than 2 years service are on their own though and won't get a penny, which is the travesty of UK employment law.

Wait until Warrior finds out what cruise ship workers get paid (especially those from India and the Philippines), it'll blow his mind, especially given how long those labour markets have been exploited so the rich folk can eat canapes.

I am no expert on cruise ship wages but remember having a chat to a waiter on one of the P&O cruise ships a few years back.
He was from Goa and working on board to help pay his student fees to become a doctor and also send money back to his family. 
He seemed quite happy.
Likewise our table supervisor on a Cunard ship (from India) had been an employee for many years and owned two houses in India.
His son was working on another ship and presumably doing OK.
I guess everything is relative to the type of work available at home and wages paid.

[Tamesaint]

52 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

I am no expert on cruise ship wages 

No point then in joining a debate with Weston Super Saint. He has an opinion and is an expert on EVERYTHING.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, spyinthesky said:

I am no expert on cruise ship wages but remember having a chat to a waiter on one of the P&O cruise ships a few years back.
He was from Goa and working on board to help pay his student fees to become a doctor and also send money back to his family. 
He seemed quite happy.
Likewise our table supervisor on a Cunard ship (from India) had been an employee for many years and owned two houses in India.
His son was working on another ship and presumably doing OK.
I guess everything is relative to the type of work available at home and wages paid.

Front of house wages are reasonable - although all workers depend on their tips.

The back of house staff that you don't see are on the poorest wages - pot washers in kitchens who are generally from the Phillipines and tend to work 6 to 9 months onboard, 12+ hours per day, before having a month off.

For Tamesaint's benefit (who is proving himself time and time again to be the world's shittest stalker!), I get this info from first hand experience having previously worked on cruise liners.

[badgerx16]

57 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Front of house wages are reasonable - although all workers depend on their tips.

The back of house staff that you don't see are on the poorest wages - pot washers in kitchens who are generally from the Phillipines and tend to work 6 to 9 months onboard, 12+ hours per day, before having a month off.

For Tamesaint's benefit (who is proving himself time and time again to be the world's shittest stalker!), I get this info from first hand experience having previously worked on cruise liners.

Didn't realise you were originally from the Phillipines;-)

[Guided Missile]

22 hours ago, swannymere said:

I do like how you've spun looking out for workers interests to be somehow un-British, surely the companies wanting it all their way and buying politicians to seal the deal is more of a problem? Aside from trying to spin the Trade Unions as the bad guys please explain South Eastern, Go-Ahead, Govia, Elodie Brian and the £25Million of taxpayer funding which is now under investigation by the Serious Fraud Office? No sniff of Union problems, or is that too inconvenient? Come on GM, you used to be good at this, the lazy attitude to your work is making me sad for the old days.

I am too lazy to debate a different argument you are making, based on some weird "un-British union" position you are trying to force upon me. Nor am I supporting a train company with an allegation of fraud against it. Just to clarify, I was stating that Socialist, Communist,  Marxist Unions, like the RMT are the scourge of the Earth, as were the T & G W Union in Southampton Docks and at the old Ford plant. I also think corrupt private companies are also the scourge of the Earth, but I should know not to debate with a Socialist. When they lose an argument, they change their position or pick another argument.

[Tamesaint]

8 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Front of house wages are reasonable - although all workers depend on their tips.

The back of house staff that you don't see are on the poorest wages - pot washers in kitchens who are generally from the Phillipines and tend to work 6 to 9 months onboard, 12+ hours per day, before having a month off.

For Tamesaint's benefit (who is proving himself time and time again to be the world's shittest stalker!), I get this info from first hand experience having previously worked on cruise liners.

Did they have nice clean floors when you swept them?

[swannymere]

7 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

I am too lazy to debate a different argument you are making, based on some weird "un-British union" position you are trying to force upon me. Nor am I supporting a train company with an allegation of fraud against it. Just to clarify, I was stating that Socialist, Communist,  Marxist Unions, like the RMT are the scourge of the Earth, as were the T & G W Union in Southampton Docks and at the old Ford plant. I also think corrupt private companies are also the scourge of the Earth, but I should know not to debate with a Socialist. When they lose an argument, they change their position or pick another argument.

I'm more of a middle of the road kind of guy, just hate to see the famous GM getting lazy.

[kyle04]

I think the confrontational nature of unions v company have been the bane of this country for a long time. Both sides will take the piss when they can get away with it, depending on the balance of power. Remember British Leyland, whos workers spent as much time on strike as on the factory floor. Similarly, stevedores at Southampton docks ,a 4 man shift allocated , 2 of which used to clock in then fuck off home, it crippled the port eventually. Conversely we now have a great brand in P&O , royally shafting it's established workforce because it's losing money, although I seriously doubt those in higher management will be taking a hit. Big business is not a philanthropic project, and the abundance of "cheap" labour in this country, together with the Tories indifference to interfere in the "free" market will on;y mean more of the same to come.

[Weston Super Saint]

Wow!  £36m payout - meaning an 'average' of £45k per person.

In reality it will be over £100,000 for a small number of people with a guarantee that no worker will receive less than £15k.  These figures seem like much, much more than could be won in a tribunal, especially for those that have less than 2 years service with the company.

Not excusing what they did but the payout (and additional promises around helping those that can't immediately find work) certainly helps to take the sting out of it....

[Weston Super Saint]

It has now been confirmed that the affected staff were employed under Jersey employment contracts (as mentioned earlier by Badger).

Jersey employment law in relation to redundancy is slightly different to UK laws : https://www.jacs.org.je/legislation/employment-jersey-law-2003/procedure-and-payments-for-redundancy/

Assuming they have notified the 'Minister' (and they needed to do that before they notified staff, so technically they could have done that 30 minutes before the infamous video call), then they are in the clear in terms of the company's legal duty to notify.

The minimum redundancy pay is 1 week's pay for every year worked - apparently they are paying 2 week's for every year worked and also paying those with less than 2 year's service who wouldn't normally qualify.

There is no specific law that deals with consultation process in Jersey law, however, there is case law and custom and practice - they are paying 13 weeks pay in lieu to all to cover this. 

All things considered, they look to be paying above and beyond what a tribunal in Jersey could be resonably expected to award based on the relevant laws around redundancy and they don't appear to have broken the law.

Mick Lynch seems to have completed misunderstood the law though, or perhaps he just enjoys the fight

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"If staff do not sign up and give away their jobs and their legal right to take the company to an employment tribunal they will receive a fraction of the amount put to them," general secretary Mick Lynch said.

Under Jersey law, in order for the employee to be eligible for the redundancy they must follow at least one of these criteria (point one seems to be the point that Mick is so angry about, yet it's part of the law in the country where they were employed) :

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For an employee to be entitled to a redundancy payment, any of the following must have occurred within 6 months from the date of termination of employment;

• the payment must have been agreed and paid;
• the employee must have claimed the payment from the employer in writing;
• a claim for redundancy payment must have been made to the Tribunal; or
• a claim for unfair dismissal must have been presented to the Tribunal.

 

[badgerx16]

With regard to helping them find new jobs, perhaps they can work on the ferries Failing Grayling organised.

Edit: apparently Grayling signed off on a change of Law that meant the Government didn't need to be told.....

 

https://news.sky.com/story/p-o-ferries-sackings-change-in-law-signed-of-by-chris-grayling-meant-p-o-didnt-need-to-tell-govt-maritime-lawyer-says-12572920

 

Edited 23 March, 2022 by badgerx16

[Warriorsaint]

Boris Johnson the statesman.

 

[badgerx16]

Just been looking for some new handlebar tape for my Van Nicholas titanium road bike. Naturally I went to the company's web site to get the proper branded product - got to maintain the image. VN are a Dutch company. The tape costs £10. Prior to Brexit this would have been with free shipping, now shipping is £40. Needless to say I am compromising on the artistic presentation of the bike.

[Winnersaint]

Who gives a fuck? You're a cyclist and they're just a fucking nuisance 😜 

You are right though. Rose no longer import into UK. How much longer will Canyon see UK as a viable market? Can't buy Campagnolo direct from website due to Brexit. 

Talking of titanium bikes one of my riding mates has just taken delivery of a Vaaru,  which is absolutely beautiful and another has just taken delivery of a Cyfac titanium frame with carbon lugging. Not seen it built up yet as it only cleared customs on Monday and it is off to Belgium later today so won't see it until next week.

[whelk]

I can completely relate to the Russian soldiers being defeated as akin to me being beaten by aggressive fighters for freedom who voted for Brexit.

Fucked up the economy and stifled in my kids futures for what? Oh yeah freedom and all that gives me although could do with a reminder of the benefits if anyone can answer?

Edited 23 March, 2022 by whelk

[Weston Super Saint]

6 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

With regard to helping them find new jobs, perhaps they can work on the ferries Failing Grayling organised.

Edit: apparently Grayling signed off on a change of Law that meant the Government didn't need to be told.....

 

https://news.sky.com/story/p-o-ferries-sackings-change-in-law-signed-of-by-chris-grayling-meant-p-o-didnt-need-to-tell-govt-maritime-lawyer-says-12572920

 

Someone needs to point this out to Boris as it appears this is another issue he is confused about!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60849957

[Tamesaint]

3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Someone needs to point this out to Boris as it appears this is another issue he is confused about!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60849957

Perhaps you need to become one of  his special advisors.  You could endure his floor is clean at the same time. 🤭🤭

[rallyboy]

I find it difficult to believe that Chris Grayling might have fucked up something so major that it shafts thousands of British workers - many of whom will have voted for him and Brexit.

In that top cabinet of high-flyers he always stood out as one of the most talented individuals, so I'm sure this is just an innocent guy who trousers £100k a year from the ports industry, putting UK workers first.

 

[badgerx16]

I would love the Government to take P&O to Court only for it to be thrown out because of Grayling.

[spyinthesky]

1 hour ago, rallyboy said:

I find it difficult to believe that Chris Grayling might have fucked up something so major that it shafts thousands of British workers - many of whom will have voted for him and Brexit.

In that top cabinet of high-flyers he always stood out as one of the most talented individuals, so I'm sure this is just an innocent guy who trousers £100k a year from the ports industry, putting UK workers first.

 

The dreadful 'Fake News' criticism of Mr Grayling is most unfair.
He has not had a catalogue of 25 failures whilst in Government. At the last count it was only 19.
Also the Seabourne Ferry 'arrangement' actually only cost the country £15m not the £25m indicated in the left wing press.
And the £100k per annum Mr Grayling receives from Hutchinson Ports actually requires him to work 7 hours a week, sometimes over the weekend or at times when he would normally be in the Commons Refreshment Rooms.
Let's put it all into a sense of perspective

[Weston Super Saint]

3 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

Perhaps you need to become one of  his special advisors.  You could endure his floor is clean at the same time. 🤭🤭

Endure 

[Warriorsaint]

 

[spyinthesky]

On 26/03/2022 at 14:40, Warriorsaint said:

 

Global exports are now 8.2% higher than they were on the eve of the pandemic.
Advanced economies have rebounded with a 5% uplift.
Meanwhile the volume of UK export goods is 14% lower compared to the start of 2020.
The UK's trade deficit in January was easily the biggest on record at a huge £26.5bn for goods and a net £16.2bn if revenue from combined goods and services are taken into account.
As David Smith in the Times commented, UK exporters are operating with one hand tied behind their backs due to an economically damaging Brexit done in such a way that little or no thought was given to the consequences.
I have to admit to voting Remain but happy to take on board the fact I may have been wrong if the benefits of Brexit lived up to the claims of its promoters.
Unfortunately I have yet to see any of the promised upsides appearing (notwithstanding the challenges of Covid etc)
If anyone can advise how the 'Oven Ready' deal is progressing to the benefit of the country, I would be happy to take on board.

[Weston Super Saint]

On 23/03/2022 at 08:48, badgerx16 said:

With regard to helping them find new jobs, perhaps they can work on the ferries Failing Grayling organised.

Edit: apparently Grayling signed off on a change of Law that meant the Government didn't need to be told.....

 

https://news.sky.com/story/p-o-ferries-sackings-change-in-law-signed-of-by-chris-grayling-meant-p-o-didnt-need-to-tell-govt-maritime-lawyer-says-12572920

 

I guess the phrase 'you get what you pay for' is the most relevant one right now....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-61229753

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A P&O ferry, which operates between Larne and Cairnryan, is adrift off the coast of Larne.

P&O said the incident occurred due to a mechanical issue in the Irish Sea and a full inspection will take place when the ship is back in port.

 

[saint1977]

On 13/04/2022 at 15:43, spyinthesky said:

Global exports are now 8.2% higher than they were on the eve of the pandemic.
Advanced economies have rebounded with a 5% uplift.
Meanwhile the volume of UK export goods is 14% lower compared to the start of 2020.
The UK's trade deficit in January was easily the biggest on record at a huge £26.5bn for goods and a net £16.2bn if revenue from combined goods and services are taken into account.
As David Smith in the Times commented, UK exporters are operating with one hand tied behind their backs due to an economically damaging Brexit done in such a way that little or no thought was given to the consequences.
I have to admit to voting Remain but happy to take on board the fact I may have been wrong if the benefits of Brexit lived up to the claims of its promoters.
Unfortunately I have yet to see any of the promised upsides appearing (notwithstanding the challenges of Covid etc)
If anyone can advise how the 'Oven Ready' deal is progressing to the benefit of the country, I would be happy to take on board.

Let’s see if anyone on the Brexit side takes up the challenge you’ve set. Other than GM posting late night gibberish cut and pasted from the Heritage Foundation or some other loony source. 

[whelk]

2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I guess the phrase 'you get what you pay for' is the most relevant one right now....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-61229753

 

Give the CEO a bonus