Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

[badgerx16]

24 minutes ago, Winnersaint said:

Hes a fat, orange, senile mong who shits himself!

So that's two of us who won't get through US immigration in the next 3 and a half years.

[AlexLaw76]

Looks like meeting Putin was not a total waste of time after all.

let’s see how far this goes.

[badgerx16]

18 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Looks like meeting Putin was not a total waste of time after all.

 

Not for Vlad at any rate, Donnie's been played.

Looks like you backed the winner.

[AlexLaw76]

6 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Not for Vlad at any rate, Donnie's been played.

Looks like you backed the winner.

I never backed anyone, just called it from a realistic view.

As said, let’s see

Ukraine were never ever going to come out of this without losing ground, and they were pretty much never going to get NATO membership. Crimea is never ever going back to them.

Ukraine cannot win, could never win, regardless of all the claims Russia was always about to run out of ammunition and sanctions will take them back to the Stone Age etc.

 

Edited Monday at 19:23 by AlexLaw76

[badgerx16]

8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I never backed anyone, just called it from a realistic view.

As said, let’s see

Ukraine were never ever going to come out of this without losing ground, and they were pretty much never going to get NATO membership. Crimea is never ever going back to them.

Ukraine cannot win, could never win, regardless of all the claims Russia was always about to run out of ammunition and sanctions will take them back to the Stone Age etc.

 

So Putin's aggression is rewarded.

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

So Putin's aggression is rewarded.

tis the way of the world.

[egg]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

So Putin's aggression is rewarded.

Emotive words. 

What's the alternative? All pile in to push them back and trigger WW3? Just not happening. 

Alex is right. Ukraine cannot win. If they fight on, they'll lose all 5 regions, and possibly more, with hideous loss of life. 

This was always going to end with a negotiated settlement involving land concession. That's how it will end. 

Calling it a reward does not alter the fact that it can't end any other way. 

 

[badgerx16]

11 minutes ago, egg said:

Emotive words. 

 

Perhaps, but true.

[egg]

12 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Perhaps, but true.

So what's the alternative? 

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

So what's the alternative? 

Fuck knows. Putin may not have got the regime change he wanted, but he has enough to spin a victory and justification for murdering tens of thousands of Ukrainians and of his own people. 

Edited Monday at 20:04 by badgerx16

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

tis the way of the world.

Only because TACO man is in Putin’s pocket. What happened to the latest threat of further sanctions? It vanished after he let Putin’s walk all over him in Alaska. Trump has completely bottled it. He could make things very difficult for Putin but when it comes to the crunch, he chickens out. The reason so many European leaders have high tailed it to the US is to try and force Trump to grow a backbone.

Trump seems to change his mind depending on who he last spoke to. I wouldn’t trust him any more than I trust Putin. 

Edited Monday at 21:21 by sadoldgit

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, sadoldgit said:

Only because TACO man is in Putin’s pocket. What happened to the latest threat of further sanctions? It vanished after he let Putin’s walk all over him in Alaska. Trump has completely bottled it. He could make things very difficult for Putin but when it comes to the crunch, he chickens out. The reason so many European leaders have high tailed it to the US is to try and force Trump to grow a backbone.

Yeah, that is exactly what has happened. Well done

[egg]

24 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Fuck knows. Putin may not have got the regime change he wanted, but he has enough to spin a victory and justification for murdering tens of thousands of Ukrainians and of his own people. 

Quite. There's no alternative to the negotiated land concession. It shouldn't be this way, but the west let Ukraine down badly with the Budapest agreement, then carrying on as if nothing happened after Crimea.

The US can't and won't carry on supporting a fight that Ukraine can't win. I'd wager that Putin will now hit Ukraine bloody hard to ramp up the pressure for a concession. 

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Emotive words. 

What's the alternative? All pile in to push them back and trigger WW3? Just not happening. 

Alex is right. Ukraine cannot win. If they fight on, they'll lose all 5 regions, and possibly more, with hideous loss of life. 

This was always going to end with a negotiated settlement involving land concession. That's how it will end. 

Calling it a reward does not alter the fact that it can't end any other way. 

 

Just sets a very dangerous precedent, whatever deal is done Russia knows they just have to build up their forces and go again because NATO don’t have the balls for a fight.

[egg]

7 hours ago, aintforever said:

Just sets a very dangerous precedent, whatever deal is done Russia knows they just have to build up their forces and go again because NATO don’t have the balls for a fight.

I repeat, what's the alternative?

[tdmickey3]

Does anyone actually believe Putin will honour the proposed agreement?

He will find some excuse, make up a lie because he wants all of Ukraine... and have another "special operation" sometime in the future

He is a warmonger, he needs to be removed from power 

Edited Tuesday at 07:09 by tdmickey3

[Baird of the land]

14 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Does anyone actually believe Putin will honour the proposed agreement?

He will find some excuse, make up a lie because he wants all of Ukraine... and have another "special operation" sometime in the future

He is a warmonger, he needs to be removed from power 

Isn't the whole point of security guarantees to account for such a scenario.

Ahh regime change that useless failed chestnut. Though this time with nuclear bomb jeapardy

[tdmickey3]

2 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Isn't the whole point of security guarantees to account for such a scenario.

Ahh regime change that useless failed chestnut. Though this time with nuclear bomb jeapardy

The security guarantee, what is the detail? is it known yet?

What will happen if Putin breaches the rules for the US/Europe.... Sanctions, talks, because it will be a tough decision to use military force for fear of escalation to other countries

[woksaintly]

The only way Putin will be stopped is if a collective European army takes back all the territories gained by Putin. Europe creates its own "Nato" and lets Ukraine in to that "NATO" .Putin only understands strength. Trump is an egotistical buffoon. Does anyone think you can have peace without a seize fire. Putin knows he can achieve his conquest of UKraine as there is only opposition by rhetoric 

 

[AlexLaw76]

29 minutes ago, woksaintly said:

The only way Putin will be stopped is if a collective European army takes back all the territories gained by Putin. Europe creates its own "Nato" and lets Ukraine in to that "NATO" .Putin only understands strength. Trump is an egotistical buffoon. Does anyone think you can have peace without a seize fire. Putin knows he can achieve his conquest of UKraine as there is only opposition by rhetoric 

 

Then why isn’t the EU doing this collective army thing?

reason, they can’t. And they know it.

we have become almost completely reliant on the USA for our security, which, IMO, is a scandalous position to be in.

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, woksaintly said:

The only way Putin will be stopped is if a collective European army takes back all the territories gained by Putin. Europe creates its own "Nato" and lets Ukraine in to that "NATO" .Putin only understands strength. Trump is an egotistical buffoon. Does anyone think you can have peace without a seize fire. Putin knows he can achieve his conquest of UKraine as there is only opposition by rhetoric 

 

You are right but it wont happen

[badgerx16]

Trump advisor turned vocal critic John Bolton is the latest to be raided by the FBI. Trump claims to know nothing about this.

 

How many times has The Donald railed against the 'weaponisation' of Federal law enforcement against him ?

[benjii]

[badgerx16]

https://x.com/rodneyabrooks/status/1911497615885394023

 

"Below is a post from Oliver Kornetzke on Facebook yesterday.  Shared here without asking him, but because I think what he says is important. On ICE: "That’s what ICE is now—a terror squad designed not just to punish the “other,” but to frighten the rest into submission. ...
It’s not about immigration. It’s about domination."

His complete post:

I’m not a historian. I’m not a Kremlinologist or a credentialed scholar on authoritarian regimes. I’m not a behavioral psychologist, and I don’t hold a PhD in fascism or kleptocracy—though frankly, given the state of the world, I’m starting to wonder if we all should. But I’ve lived in Russia for some time. I’ve spent time in Eastern Europe. I’ve read obsessively, listened carefully, and paid attention like my life depended on it—because, in a very real sense, it does. And while I’ll leave academic dissection to the ivory tower, what I can tell you from the ground is this:
What’s happening in this country isn’t just cruel—it’s methodical, strategic, and deeply familiar to anyone who’s studied or survived under regimes built on repression and rot.
We’re watching a script play out—one that was written in the blood and bureaucracy of Putin’s Russia, refined in the dungeons of Chechnya, perfected through decades of oligarchic decay, secret police intimidation, and mafia-state theatrics. And now it’s being re-staged here in America, rebranded with flags and lapel pins and the tired language of “law and order.”
The Trump regime—this carnival of third-rate strongmen, grifters, sycophants, and sadists—isn’t innovating anything. It’s copying. It’s importing the authoritarian model wholesale. They’ve read the Putin playbook, dog-eared the best parts, and now they’re running it in real time. And the cruelty? That’s not a flaw in the system. That is the system.
Because cruelty serves a dual purpose: it distracts and it paralyzes. It shocks the conscience just long enough to make you forget about the theft happening in broad daylight. It freezes resistance by making you wonder who’s next. It’s not just about dehumanizing the target—it’s about disarming the observer. You see a 52-year-old seamstress abducted by masked agents in broad daylight, and your mind stops. That’s the point. While you’re frozen, they’re looting the vault.
Putin’s critics—brave dissidents like Boris Nemtsov, Vladimir Kara-Murza, and Alexei Navalny—laid it out plainly: behind the thuggish repression, there’s no grand ideology. There’s only theft. Power is just a means to steal more, protect the stolen, and destroy anyone who threatens the racket. Navalny made that crystal clear. Putin’s state isn’t built on belief—it’s built on plunder. And everything else—beatings, censorship, propaganda, disappearances—is just set dressing for the heist.
Trump, a failed businessman and serial conman, didn’t stumble into power because he had a vision. He stumbled into it like a raccoon into a jewelry store: overwhelmed, opportunistic, and desperate to grab everything shiny before the lights come on. He brought with him a gang of similarly hollow, self-serving goons—parasites in flag pins—who recognized that brute force and spectacle could serve as a perfect cover for mass-scale corruption. All they needed was enough boots, enough masks, and enough Americans too scared or too exhausted to resist.
That’s what ICE is now—a terror squad designed not just to punish the “other,” but to frighten the rest into submission. They don’t need to knock on your door. They just need you to see what happens when they knock on hers. They want you disoriented, enraged, heartbroken, and above all—silent.
It’s not about immigration. It’s about domination.
But here’s the part they never count on: you can only keep people paralyzed for so long. Fear calcifies. Shock fades. And eventually, rage focuses.
So let’s speak plainly: this is not normal, it’s not American, and it’s not sustainable. It’s a kleptocratic death cult wearing the face of democracy. It’s an authoritarian racket hiding behind courtrooms and uniforms. And it will fall—just like every regime before it that mistook violence for invincibility and corruption for competence.
What can we do? First, resist the paralysis. Rage, yes—but don’t retreat. Pay attention. Speak out. If something feels wrong, say it’s wrong. Refuse to play along with their language, their framing, their euphemisms. They are not “removing undocumented immigrants.” They are disappearing people. They are not “restoring law and order.” They are weaponizing the state.
And just as importantly: take care of yourself. Joy, community, love, rest—these are not luxuries in a time of repression. They are acts of defiance. They are the fuel for the long fight ahead. Because this will be a long fight. There will be distractions, casualties, betrayals. But there will also be courage. And solidarity. And moments that remind us exactly why we fight.
Because we don’t do it for the flag. We don’t do it for politicians. We do it for every seamstress dragged from her car. Every family torn apart. Every dissident silenced. Every protestor jailed. We do it to honor the civil rights marchers, the freedom riders, the Stonewall rebels, the water protectors, the labor organizers—the defiant, the bold, the brave.
And we do it for the Americans who laid down their lives to crush fascism in Europe. For the soldiers who stormed beaches to fight against tyranny, not wave it in through the front door. For those who fought in the jungles and the deserts and the streets—not for conquest, but for freedom. For those who knew that authoritarianism doesn’t need to speak a foreign language to be a threat.
And we do it because we must. Because history is watching. And this time, it’s our names on the line.
Let’s make sure they’re remembered for the right reasons."

 

[Convict Colony]

This thread like all saintsweb threads are people being entrenched in their view, if new data was available would you be able to change your mind ?

[badgerx16]

20 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

This thread like all saintsweb threads are people being entrenched in their view, if new data was available would you be able to change your mind ?

Do you mean if the megalomaniacal, convicted fraudster, golf cheating, mysogenistic, xenophobic, paranoid, election result denying, moron, who recommended ingesting bleach during the pandemic blames Ukraine for the Russian invasion, and has no idea how tariffs actually work, suddenly turns out to be the second coming of Jesus ?

Edited 20 hours ago by badgerx16

[Gloucester Saint]

On 18/08/2025 at 20:21, AlexLaw76 said:

I never backed anyone, just called it from a realistic view.

As said, let’s see

Ukraine were never ever going to come out of this without losing ground, and they were pretty much never going to get NATO membership. Crimea is never ever going back to them.

Ukraine cannot win, could never win, regardless of all the claims Russia was always about to run out of ammunition and sanctions will take them back to the Stone Age etc.

 

All that is realism, and much of it true even if Trump hadn’t won the election.

Still doesn’t mean that he hasn’t behaved like a lovesick teenager towards Putin and a colossal cunt towards Zelensky either.

Both those things can true.

[moonraker]

On 18/08/2025 at 20:34, AlexLaw76 said:

tis the way of the world.

No it is not, very few aggressors secure long term gains in the modern world, ask Adolf, Mussolini, Galtereri, Pol Pot?  

[benjii]

2 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

This thread like all saintsweb threads are people being entrenched in their view, if new data was available would you be able to change your mind ?

What sort of data?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

This thread like all saintsweb threads are people being entrenched in their view, if new data was available would you be able to change your mind ?

 

26 minutes ago, benjii said:

What sort of data?

If there's no new data, how much are you paying for me to change my mind?

[benjii]

 

Edited 9 hours ago by benjii

[badgerx16]

Who thinks that Ghislaine Maxwell, when interviewed by Trump's former personal lawyer, and after being moved to a low security prison, told the truth about Trump, Epstein, and Randy Andy ?

Edited 7 hours ago by badgerx16

[Lord Duckhunter]

53 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Who thinks that Ghislaine Maxwell, when interviewed by Trump's former personal lawyer, and after being moved to a low security prison, told the truth about Trump, Epstein, and Randy Andy ?

Why leave off Bill Clinton, is she telling the truth there.

She said neither Clinton or Trump did anything inappropriate. I can see it now,  she’s lying about Trump, but being truthful about Clinton. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Lord Duckhunter

[badgerx16]

30 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Why leave off Bill Clinton, is she telling the truth there.

She said neither Clinton or Trump did anything inappropriate. I can see it now,  she’s lying about Trump, but being truthful about Clinton. 

She is saying, or not saying, whatever she thinks is to her advantage.