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He says an empty stadium is the only way to bring home the fans feelings.

 

He feels that if there was an empty or near empty stadium for a match things would come to a head.

 

It would need the media, Echo, websites, tv news, etc aware and more importantly publicising the fact.

 

I have two season tickets and would not go if there was a demonstrated will to follow this route.

 

Lowe only owns 6% of the shares, if he is proved to be an expensive liability, he would have to be sacrificed by the axis/Barclays/Norwich Union.

 

Besides if the team are nervous of playing in front of the fans we might be doing them a favour not going.

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I think we'll always have 15,000 fans regardless. We are a well-supported Club. That fact alone makes us saleable.

 

We won't see a mass walk out at SMS. But I do predict those of us with young children will now avoid SMS this season - a Club once so mellow and steeped in family tradition.

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There are 3 truths regarding Southampton at the moment

1. If we do not make any changes immediately we are relegated.

2. Lowe is not capable of appointing the right manager for too many reasons to say.

3. Any manager capable of keeping us up [and there will not be many] will not be able to work with Lowe.

 

Solution therefor is for Lowe to go. New team on board and immediately work out cost of relegation and likely stay in div 1 versus cost of a proven manager. Cant help thinking there must be a case of spending money on a proven candidate. Under the right circumstances we will attract a suitable candidate.

The time to act is now, it is still not too late to stay up. It will soon be too late and Lowes well documented character floors i dont think will allow him to do what is necessary.

 

On this basis i fully support Armstrongs plea for a boycott.

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Cue Ruperts rat pack posting vile comments about Armstrong like they do about McMenemy.:rolleyes:
different people different agandas and one hasnt usedc the club as a gravy train .

Armstrong was a very good saints player , I dont always agree what he says on the radio but why he was thrown out is madness.Who gave the orders for that needs sacking

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Why dont you who are ST´s just sit quiet for the next home game - at least fo the first 15mins - then The Board will understand how it is feels like when St.Marys is empy and they might wake up ? Or has this been done in the past ?

 

We go quiet for about 15mins each game anyways, the board would think nothing of it.

 

Now, making an effigy of Lowe, going on the pitch at half time and beating the f*ck out of it may have some effect/affect.

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I think we'll always have 15,000 fans regardless. We are a well-supported Club. That fact alone makes us saleable.

 

We won't see a mass walk out at SMS. But I do predict those of us with young children will now avoid SMS this season - a Club once so mellow and steeped in family tradition.

 

This is exactly what Rodney Marsh said about SFC when the club was preparing to move to SMS.

His sentiments were along the lines of we had a fan base that was suitable to the Dell, we would attract higher gates in good times but as soon as bad times hit us, we would struggle to get more supporters than the old capacity of the Dell, and struggle to fill the new stadium.

 

So I guess these are bad times and in a sense he was right, although I personally think the circumstances are slightly different to what he was thinking about when he made the comments.

 

I still do not like the bloke

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I think we'll always have 15,000 fans regardless. We are a well-supported Club. That fact alone makes us saleable.

 

We won't see a mass walk out at SMS. But I do predict those of us with young children will now avoid SMS this season - a Club once so mellow and steeped in family tradition.

 

I talked to the nipper this morning about him wanting to leave early yesterday. No, he wasn't feeling well, but he also felt quite intimidated by a bloke a few rows behind who was effing and blinding. In the Family Enclosure. Because we sit there rather than anywhere else, and because he loves (really loves) the excellent Community training he does on a Saturday morning, it still does feel like a family club to us. But if the aggression is going to spill over into this part of the ground as well there could be a point at which he no longer enjoys the day.

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This is exactly what Rodney Marsh said about SFC when the club was preparing to move to SMS.

His sentiments were along the lines of we had a fan base that was suitable to the Dell, we would attract higher gates in good times but as soon as bad times hit us, we would struggle to get more supporters than the old capacity of the Dell, and struggle to fill the new stadium.

 

So I guess these are bad times and in a sense he was right, although I personally think the circumstances are slightly different to what he was thinking about when he made the comments.

 

I still do not like the bloke

 

In fairness that could be said about any club. Old Trafford would only be half full if they were spending there fourth season in the championship and were second from bottom. (what a thought)

 

Considering we're all still asked tp pay premiership ticket prices 15K is remarkable (Norwich City fans pay £13 adults, £1 kids every week)

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I think we'll always have 15,000 fans regardless. We are a well-supported Club. That fact alone makes us saleable.

 

We won't see a mass walk out at SMS. But I do predict those of us with young children will now avoid SMS this season - a Club once so mellow and steeped in family tradition.

 

If my ticket was anywhere else but the family centre I would not be taking my kids to any more matches this season.

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I talked to the nipper this morning about him wanting to leave early yesterday. No, he wasn't feeling well, but he also felt quite intimidated by a bloke a few rows behind who was effing and blinding. In the Family Enclosure. Because we sit there rather than anywhere else, and because he loves (really loves) the excellent Community training he does on a Saturday morning, it still does feel like a family club to us. But if the aggression is going to spill over into this part of the ground as well there could be a point at which he no longer enjoys the day.

 

I sat in the family enclosure yesterday too. But, generally try to go into the Itchen. There are kids EVERYWHERE in SMS, even in the Northam - though not that many! - and that was always an attraction of going to SMS. Southampton has always been a family oriented club. But the fact that some people had lost it and started fighting even in the Kingsland will start to turn people off.

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I think we'll always have 15,000 fans regardless. We are a well-supported Club. That fact alone makes us saleable.

 

We won't see a mass walk out at SMS. But I do predict those of us with young children will now avoid SMS this season - a Club once so mellow and steeped in family tradition.

 

i have taken my kids along in the past but will not be doing so anymore, especially after the ugly scenes in and around the ground

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We go quiet for about 15mins each game anyways, the board would think nothing of it.

 

Now, making an effigy of Lowe, going on the pitch at half time and beating the f*ck out of it may have some effect/affect.

 

love that idea - can I help?

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Good call.

 

Don't enter the ground until after the kick off. That way the match would start in the presence of away supporters only and the point would be well picked up by the media.

 

Think this is a great idea as a way of protesting, we stay in the concourse until 3:15 with articulate people strategically placed informing those that may not be aware of the protest at entrances, or at least a paper circulated prior to kick off, in order fans make an informed and uniformed decision to act, does not involve singing, does not involve action that can be countered by stewards etc....a simple almost lazy demonstration that would have maximum exposure to our plight

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There are 3 truths regarding Southampton at the moment

1. If we do not make any changes immediately we are relegated.

2. Lowe is not capable of appointing the right manager for too many reasons to say.

3. Any manager capable of keeping us up [and there will not be many] will not be able to work with Lowe.

 

Solution therefor is for Lowe to go. New team on board and immediately work out cost of relegation and likely stay in div 1 versus cost of a proven manager. Cant help thinking there must be a case of spending money on a proven candidate. Under the right circumstances we will attract a suitable candidate.

The time to act is now, it is still not too late to stay up. It will soon be too late and Lowes well documented character floors i dont think will allow him to do what is necessary.

 

On this basis i fully support Armstrongs plea for a boycott.

 

Sums up very succinctly what I have been saying since the moment Lowe returned.

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i have taken my kids along in the past but will not be doing so anymore, especially after the ugly scenes in and around the ground

 

so sick and tireed of people blaming the fans, how about "i wont take my kids to sms until we win more han 1 in 14" just an idea!!!

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I still go with an idea I posted ages ago....

 

You guys have PAID for your tickets so why would you want to stand outside, also how many others that have paid hard earned money would want to join.

 

The answer is easier and avoids the "I paid for this argument"

 

When the teams come out onto the pitch EVERY saints fan turns and stands with their back to the pitch and sings OWTS.

 

It is simple, you show your support for the team and the club but you make a VERY visible point and what is more you will be able to ask people around you POLITELY to make their own simple protest without affecting the players.

 

ONCE the whistle goes you can turn round and roar the team on.

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We go quiet for about 15mins each game anyways, the board would think nothing of it.

 

Now, making an effigy of Lowe, going on the pitch at half time and beating the f*ck out of it may have some effect/affect.

 

Why bother with the effigy - can't we just use the real thing instead... I'll help....!!! ;)

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As ever, making a futile gesture and not having one single, meaningful idea as to how to CHANGE the currently broken club.

 

And if anyone says 'Lowe going will make things better' - absolute, 100% crap! Didn't happen last time did it?

 

By all means, put forward a real, bona fide proper plan for taking the club forward - but to just call for the Boards head is pure, absolute madness. And please don't say Croouch and McMenemy are the answer. They, like Lowe and co, are part of the problem not the solution.

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As ever, making a futile gesture and not having one single, meaningful idea as to how to CHANGE the currently broken club.

 

And if anyone says 'Lowe going will make things better' - absolute, 100% crap! Didn't happen last time did it?

 

By all means, put forward a real, bona fide proper plan for taking the club forward - but to just call for the Boards head is pure, absolute madness. And please don't say Croouch and McMenemy are the answer. They, like Lowe and co, are part of the problem not the solution.

 

 

Lot's of people have plans

 

Unfortunately depsite their BEST efforts, the ONLY one even close to fruition was written by Baldrick and is Cunning.....

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As ever, making a futile gesture and not having one single, meaningful idea as to how to CHANGE the currently broken club.

 

And if anyone says 'Lowe going will make things better' - absolute, 100% crap! Didn't happen last time did it?

 

By all means, put forward a real, bona fide proper plan for taking the club forward - but to just call for the Boards head is pure, absolute madness. And please don't say Croouch and McMenemy are the answer. They, like Lowe and co, are part of the problem not the solution.

 

Have to agree - amongst all of the chaos, posturing and finger point that is currently going on, and while we all (in the main) want Lowe gone - none (that I have heard) has actually thought about this. Who is likely to want to step into the breach and try and turn this club around.

 

Lowe out by all means - but who in..????

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Have to agree - amongst all of the chaos, posturing and finger point that is currently going on, and while we all (in the main) want Lowe gone - none (that I have heard) has actually thought about this. Who is likely to want to step into the breach and try and turn this club around.

 

Lowe out by all means - but who in..????

 

Crouch. He got the right manager eventually last time and he is a proper Saints fan.

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As ever, making a futile gesture and not having one single, meaningful idea as to how to CHANGE the currently broken club.

 

And if anyone says 'Lowe going will make things better' - absolute, 100% crap! Didn't happen last time did it?

 

By all means, put forward a real, bona fide proper plan for taking the club forward - but to just call for the Boards head is pure, absolute madness. And please don't say Croouch and McMenemy are the answer. They, like Lowe and co, are part of the problem not the solution.

 

IMHO, simply maintaing the status quo is not an option.

 

The idea that Lowe would waltz back in and improve things has been shown up to be wishful thinking. Quite clearly he has made things much worse.

 

And as bad as the interim regimes may have been, when compared to the end of Lowe's last tenure and these six months they're beginning to look not that bad (which is saying something BTW).

 

Of course there will be a risk in removing the manager and the CEO, but IMHO we have to bite the bullet, because going with the flow will undoubtedly kill this Club.

 

I think that the vast majority of people would want Jan to be relieved of his duties, yet I'm sure none of us have a manager lined up. So what's the difference between that and wanting the CEO to step down without having a replacement for Lowe lined up?

 

When replacing the manager we know we will be able to replace him, whether it comes off or not is of course another matter and it would be the same with Lowe as I'm sure we could pick up a CEO from somewhere (as an interim I wouldn't be averse to Cowen taking over the reins until we find someone long term).

 

As for his role as PLC Chairman, then once again as an interim why not pick from the existing shareholders whilst we undertake a concerted effort to get someone else in (e.g. Richards)?

 

There are alternative managers out there, of that I have no doubt, and I'm sure the same can said about CEO's. It's just whether we have the nous and desire to go and hunt them down.

 

A PLC Chairman might be a harder task, but I'd like to think there is someone out there who could step up to the plate to take over in the long term.

 

I would also like to see Lowe shift his shares at the current market price to rid us once and for all of his divisive influence. I'm sure someone would take his shares off him at that price.

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Have to agree - amongst all of the chaos, posturing and finger point that is currently going on, and while we all (in the main) want Lowe gone - none (that I have heard) has actually thought about this. Who is likely to want to step into the breach and try and turn this club around.

 

Lowe out by all means - but who in..????

 

Simple. Anybody without an ego who simply ASKS around for the answer to a simple question.

 

How would a manager get our team playing and winning?

 

I think MOST of us on here know the answer

 

Unfortunately we have 3 big egos stuck to the club so it won't happen while they are around

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As ever, making a futile gesture and not having one single, meaningful idea as to how to CHANGE the currently broken club.

 

And if anyone says 'Lowe going will make things better' - absolute, 100% crap! Didn't happen last time did it?

 

By all means, put forward a real, bona fide proper plan for taking the club forward - but to just call for the Boards head is pure, absolute madness. And please don't say Croouch and McMenemy are the answer. They, like Lowe and co, are part of the problem not the solution.

 

how and why are crouch and Lawrie part of the problem, please explain??

 

I've heard this said by many a Lowe luvvie but not one has exolained what either has dine to contribute to our downfall!

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how and why are crouch and Lawrie part of the problem, please explain??

 

I've heard this said by many a Lowe luvvie but not one has exolained what either has dine to contribute to our downfall!

 

 

I agree. What has Crouch done wrong?

 

He got rid of Wilde cos he was spending a fortune on idiots to run the club and play for the club. When Crouch came in he helped pay for Andrew Davies, began reducing the debt by loaning our Rasiak and Skacel, gave Dodd and Gorman a go (on paper i still think that better tahn Gray, Wigley and JP) but was quick to act when that wasn't working (in a proper way, Dodd and Gorman weren't sacked) and pulled a masterstroke off in getting in NP.

 

So what did Crouch get wrong? Siding with Wilde in the first place?

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As ever, making a futile gesture and not having one single, meaningful idea as to how to CHANGE the currently broken club.

 

And if anyone says 'Lowe going will make things better' - absolute, 100% crap! Didn't happen last time did it?

 

By all means, put forward a real, bona fide proper plan for taking the club forward - but to just call for the Boards head is pure, absolute madness. And please don't say Croouch and McMenemy are the answer. They, like Lowe and co, are part of the problem not the solution.

 

****in hell we had this last time; there is no bona fide proper plan because we are not in a position to enact one, we are just fans. Under the make up of our club we have no say on who runs it, we can judge them but can only have our say through demonstrations like this. Its down to the shareholders to then decide who should take over and they too will then be judged in the fulness on time.

 

Time to let those who hold the power know that its time for a change.

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Or we should just invade the pitch into a game that we are loosing and just sit in silence...

that would be different, yet stupid

 

What else then mooooooosh??

 

We'vw supported the team, we've had full houses. we've had 23, 26k yet still lost, when is it ok to protest??? 1 win in 14 home games, i would say its a joke but jokes are funny!!!

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If Im honest, I would love to see a huge pitch invasion on a live TV game.

Yes it will make this club look even worse than it is but something radical needs to be done.

 

It will cause a stirr and Im sure many will call me stupid but thats life, people dis-agree and agree. I just miss not having a leader, someone to stand up and take charge

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To be fair Armstrong didn't call for a boycott. A caller rang up and said she wasn't going to renew her season ticket and instead was going to buy for every game (she was very screechy). He said the thing the board would notice would be empty stadiums and, if you did want to protest, staying away was the best way.

 

So he stopped short of calling for a boycott (although maybe he was being tactful)

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I agree. What has Crouch done wrong?

 

He got rid of Wilde cos he was spending a fortune on idiots to run the club and play for the club. When Crouch came in he helped pay for Andrew Davies, began reducing the debt by loaning our Rasiak and Skacel, gave Dodd and Gorman a go (on paper i still think that better tahn Gray, Wigley and JP) but was quick to act when that wasn't working (in a proper way, Dodd and Gorman weren't sacked) and pulled a masterstroke off in getting in NP.

 

So what did Crouch get wrong? Siding with Wilde in the first place?

 

I totally agree.

The anti-Crouch spin was and is typical of Lowe's devious but cunning tactics, Just like the way he slithered into the club via the Reverse Takeover.

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If Im honest, I would love to see a huge pitch invasion on a live TV game.

Yes it will make this club look even worse than it is but something radical needs to be done.

 

It will cause a stirr and Im sure many will call me stupid but thats life, people dis-agree and agree. I just miss not having a leader, someone to stand up and take charge

 

I completely agree.

People talk about us probably getting punishments from the FA, but doing this would make the biggest impact out of anything suggested so far.

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He says an empty stadium is the only way to bring home the fans feelings.

 

He feels that if there was an empty or near empty stadium for a match things would come to a head.

 

It would need the media, Echo, websites, tv news, etc aware and more importantly publicising the fact.

 

I have two season tickets and would not go if there was a demonstrated will to follow this route.

 

Lowe only owns 6% of the shares, if he is proved to be an expensive liability, he would have to be sacrificed by the axis/Barclays/Norwich Union.

 

Besides if the team are nervous of playing in front of the fans we might be doing them a favour not going.

 

When or where is he said to have said this?

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To be fair Armstrong didn't call for a boycott. A caller rang up and said she wasn't going to renew her season ticket and instead was going to buy for every game (she was very screechy). He said the thing the board would notice would be empty stadiums and, if you did want to protest, staying away was the best way.So he stopped short of calling for a boycott (although maybe he was being tactful)

 

You are absolutely correct, I also listened to the programme after the game and that is exactly how his comments came about ! It has obviously been easy to twist this into a 'he called for a boycott' thread but does not accurately reflect the facts !

Don't get me wrong, I would support an all out boycott (say, the Sheff U game on 3rd Feb) but do feel it's important to be fair to a respected former player of the club!

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I talked to the nipper this morning about him wanting to leave early yesterday. No, he wasn't feeling well, but he also felt quite intimidated by a bloke a few rows behind who was effing and blinding. In the Family Enclosure. Because we sit there rather than anywhere else, and because he loves (really loves) the excellent Community training he does on a Saturday morning, it still does feel like a family club to us. But if the aggression is going to spill over into this part of the ground as well there could be a point at which he no longer enjoys the day.

 

Thanks for the warning, Soccer Mom. I also take my lad to the Family Enclosure, but will stay away until emotions are stabilised.

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[quote=Alain Perrin;170110To be fair Armstrong didn't call for a boycott. A caller rang up and said she wasn't going to renew her season ticket and instead was going to buy for every game (she was very screechy). He said the thing the board would notice would be empty stadiums and, if you did want to protest, staying away was the best way.

 

So he stopped short of calling for a boycott (although maybe he was being tactful)

 

You are absolutely correct, I also listened to the programme after the game and that is exactly how his comments came about ! It has obviously been easy to twist this into a 'he called for a boycott' thread but does not accurately reflect the facts !

Don't get me wrong, I would support an all out boycott (say, the Sheff U game on 3rd Feb) but do feel it's important to be fair to a respected former player of the club!

 

On Radio Hampshire after the game, I heard him say it as well.

 

 

Read the two posts above by Alain Perrin and eurosaint as that is how I heard it and not Derry's version which was slightly twisted. Chinese whispers me thinks.

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Read the two posts above by Alain Perrin and eurosaint as that is how I heard it and not Derry's version which was slightly twisted. Chinese whispers me thinks.

 

Be as pedantic as you like, he did say that an empty stadium would bring the whole thing to a head and was the only way. That means as a listener who was at the match that he was supporting a boycott, that together with his obvious frustration and anger at the club.

 

If he wasn't calling for a boycott, why say it was the only way to solve the problem.

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