Coronavirus

[hypochondriac]

13 hours ago, aintforever said:

Studies of the earliest viral genomes seem to indicate the Wuhan market as the cause, they even pinpoint the actual location within the market.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2448671-evidence-points-to-wuhan-market-as-source-of-covid-19-outbreak/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy8095xjg4po

We will probably never know for sure but it would be interesting to see the actual evidence for it starting from the lab.

And yet this week:

 

[badgerx16]

31 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

And yet this week:

 

As posted yesterday, the CIA, on the day after it's new Trump appointed head takes position, states "with low confidence" that it has changed it's opinion.

[hypochondriac]

11 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

As posted yesterday, the CIA, on the day after it's new Trump appointed head takes position, states "with low confidence" that it has changed it's opinion.

 

But officials told US media that the new assessment was not based on new intelligence and predates the Trump administration. The review was reportedly ordered in the closing weeks of the Biden administration and completed before Trump took office on Monday.

Like you said it's unlikely we will ever know the truth either way. My argument has always been that we should have always been allowed to discuss the possibility of a lab leak. 

Edited January 27 by hypochondriac

[aintforever]

7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

 

But officials told US media that the new assessment was not based on new intelligence and predates the Trump administration. The review was reportedly ordered in the closing weeks of the Biden administration and completed before Trump took office on Monday.

Like you said it's unlikely we will ever know the truth either way. My argument has always been that we should have always been allowed to discuss the possibility of a lab leak. 

What is their evidence?

[Whitey Grandad]

59 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

And yet this week:

 

Both could be possible. A lab leak that spread to a local market perhaps?

I don’t believe in coincidences. An outbreak of a new type of disease in an area close to a laboratory specialising in obscure viruses?

[hypochondriac]

54 minutes ago, aintforever said:

What is their evidence?

I would suggest that the evidence they have access to is greater than the evidence you or I possess given the nature of their organisation. Will probably never know but it's certainly not a laughable theory, it's entirely plausible.

[hypochondriac]

46 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Both could be possible. A lab leak that spread to a local market perhaps?

I don’t believe in coincidences. An outbreak of a new type of disease in an area close to a laboratory specialising in obscure viruses?

That's quite likely in my opinion. Lab leak with the outbreak starting in the market. 

[aintforever]

24 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I would suggest that the evidence they have access to is greater than the evidence you or I possess given the nature of their organisation. Will probably never know but it's certainly not a laughable theory, it's entirely plausible.

I know it's entirely plausible, but so is the idea that they are just saying that for political reasons. I'd be tempted to believe the scientists more than the spokesman for an agency working for a government with an anti-China agenda. They are free to disclose their evidence if they have any.

"“Now, the most important thing is to make China pay for unleashing a plague on the world,” Cotton said in a statement."

 

[sadoldgit]

Covid reflection day today. 5 years, where has that time gone?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c798l9gz4y1o.amp

[badgerx16]

https://observer.co.uk/culture/article/blame-bats-film-covid-review?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-gb

"A new film about the origins of Covid-19 tells how rightwing conspiracy theorists pushed the lab-leak theory to their own ends, suppressing the work of real scientists"

"Every pandemic virus in history, from influenza to HIV/Aids, started life in an animal reservoir and there was no reason to believe that Sars-CoV-2 was any different."

[benjii]

Something up with me today.

Legs ache, headache, and liquid shit.

[tdmickey3]

10 minutes ago, benjii said:

Something up with me today.

Legs ache, headache, and liquid shit.

 

[Turkish]

I see there is a new strain ripping through the country. Symptoms appear to be exactly like hay fever but can lead to serious illness. Very worrying times 

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/health/hay-fever-covid-how-tell-31878973

 

 

[AlexLaw76]

8 hours ago, Turkish said:

I see there is a new strain ripping through the country. Symptoms appear to be exactly like hay fever but can lead to serious illness. Very worrying times 

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/health/hay-fever-covid-how-tell-31878973

 

 

There is a concern amongst some of the great and good, that not having any symptoms related to Covid might mean you have covid.

Get yer furlough applications forms out!!!

Edited Friday at 18:25 by AlexLaw76

[benjii]

7 hours ago, Turkish said:

I see there is a new strain ripping through the country. Symptoms appear to be exactly like hay fever but can lead to serious illness. Very worrying times 

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/health/hay-fever-covid-how-tell-31878973

 

 

It's OK, we'll achieve herb immunity. 

[east-stand-nic]

The scariest thing about COVID is that some people still fear it and believe it was all what they were told it was. How safe and effective was that Vax again? 

[whelk]

Was this you Nic?

 

[east-stand-nic]

15 minutes ago, whelk said:

Was this you Nic?

 

Sounds like you. Incapable of debate so just calls names, berates and makes jokes to deflect from your lack of intelligence. I think I shall just let you have your fun and accept I am waiting my time replying to you. Enjoy your next booster. 

[whelk]

‘That’s you that is’ - witless goon

[egg]

54 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Sounds like you. Incapable of debate so just calls names, berates and makes jokes to deflect from your lack of intelligence. I think I shall just let you have your fun and accept I am waiting my time replying to you. Enjoy your next booster. 

What's your views on vapour trails from planes Nic? Do you believe they're something more? 

[Lighthouse]

A rather chilling reminder that the nonsense anti vaxers spread for fun and attention isn’t as quirky and harmless as some might think. There are people out there who genuinely believe it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crenzwyvpn1o

[east-stand-nic]

20 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

A rather chilling reminder that the nonsense anti vaxers spread for fun and attention isn’t as quirky and harmless as some might think. There are people out there who genuinely believe it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crenzwyvpn1o

And by the same token, it was being sold and pushed by people as FACT that it was safe and effective but it was nothing of the sort. It works both ways. 

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

A rather chilling reminder that the nonsense anti vaxers spread for fun and attention isn’t as quirky and harmless as some might think. There are people out there who genuinely believe it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crenzwyvpn1o

Unfortunately just part of evolution

[hypochondriac]

People who deny the efficacy of vaccines or that overall the good they do outweighs rare side effects by orders of magnitude have the IQ of amoebas as far I'm concerned. It's not even worth engaging with. 

[leesaint88]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

And by the same token, it was being sold and pushed by people as FACT that it was safe and effective but it was nothing of the sort. It works both ways. 

But the data really shows it was safe.

Myocarditis and pericarditis is at 18 cases per million and seemed to be mainly in the under 40's, in terms of deaths associated with the vaccine it's no different to others and even the MHRA's yellow card scheme shows reports in line with other drugs.

I have no issue with people having an opinion on vaccinations, its the beauty of life that we can all pick and choose what we believe in. But I do have a problem with false information, I've even see articles claiming to have a source from a medical journal when no such document even exists. It's stuff like that which means we have parents deciding against vaccinating kids against measles or having a total mistrust of medicine in general.  

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

And by the same token, it was being sold and pushed by people as FACT that it was safe and effective but it was nothing of the sort. It works both ways. 

 

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

A rather chilling reminder that the nonsense anti vaxers spread for fun and attention isn’t as quirky and harmless as some might think. There are people out there who genuinely believe it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crenzwyvpn1o

What's this got to do with the vaccine? This is a nurse saying chemotherapy doesn't work. It doesn't in some cases. Evidence is my mum had it for five years and still died of cancer, it did nothing to stop it's spread, what it did do was ruin the last 3 years of her life because she was so ill from it. 

And Nic is right, everyone was told the vaccine was safe and effective, anyone who said otherwise was laughed, called all sorts of names. there is plenty of evidence to suggest it isn't what it was sold as, but no one whats to believe that as it doesn't suit their own narrative. 

It's true, it works both ways.

[egg]

30 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

What's this got to do with the vaccine? This is a nurse saying chemotherapy doesn't work. It doesn't in some cases. Evidence is my mum had it for five years and still died of cancer, it did nothing to stop it's spread, what it did do was ruin the last 3 years of her life because she was so ill from it. 

And Nic is right, everyone was told the vaccine was safe and effective, anyone who said otherwise was laughed, called all sorts of names. there is plenty of evidence to suggest it isn't what it was sold as, but no one whats to believe that as it doesn't suit their own narrative. 

It's true, it works both ways.

For the vast majority of people the vaccine made a huge difference. I know people who've died or been ruined by COVID. I know someone who had awful hives from the vaccine, but later got COVID and was fine - she's someone who likely will have been very ill from COVID. 

I think we all accept that the vaccine wasn't perfect, but it's usually only shot down by people who have some ridiculous belief that COVID wasn't a thing and/or that we're all under some sort of control from unspecified people. Those people usually also believe planes fly above us emitting mind/body controlling chemicals, that efficient town planning is all about social control, etc. 

Edited yesterday at 09:07 by egg

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, egg said:

For the vast majority of people the vaccine made a huge difference. I know people who've died or been ruined by COVID. I know someone who had awful hives from the vaccine, but later got COVID and was fine - she's someone who likely will have been very ill from COVID. 

I think we all accept that the vaccine wasn't perfect, but it's usually only shot down by people who have some ridiculous belief that COVID wasn't a thing and/or that we're all under some sort of control from unspecified people. Those people usually also believe planes fly above us emitting mind/body controlling chemicals, that efficient town planning is all about social control, etc. 

A few Yes and No questions.

Were the vaccines risk free? - No
Is "risk free" the same as "safe"? - No
Were the vaccines "safe" for the vast majority? - Yes
Did governments push how "safe" they were? - Yes
Do they feel obligated to do so for the benefit of overall public safety? - Yes
Did "safe" and "risk free" get conflated? - Yes
Were risk based decisions made without testing all age groups here? - Yes
Should the data have been easier and up front? - Yes
Would that have affected take up? - Yes
Was there a push to roll out vaccines - Yes
Did that affect normal research and testing cycles - Yes
Was there a lot of parallel, crossover testing reducing the risk? - Yes
Did individual Big Pharma companies push their own products to be the ones to corner the market? - Yes
Did politics play a part in vaccine decisions and distribution? - Yes
Did that have an impact on which ended up being considered safest? - Yes

The science underpinning the work, in a developing situation, meant there was plenty of data up front and available to make an informed decision. I don't trust politicians to make decisions on my behalf. I don't trust companies with vested commercial interests to make decisions on my behalf either. But the widespread data on risks and rewards was there (or enough for me anyway)

Fortunately, Covid hasn't impacted me, and I'm glad I got the jabs.

I think people are quite correct to question what they are being told. There are enough groups involved with an interest, well meaning or not, to distort information that can have an impact on lives. However, that information has to be countered with equally rigorous data and investigation. Then you can make a decision.

On the Chemo issue, I've known a few people now who are choosing not to go through it. It seems like an increasing number, but that could just as easily be making more connections going through life, means I'm just seeing more of what was already there. Decisions are based on the type, severity and chances of success against the quality of life they feel they will get. Like @Turkish (belated condolences), it's not always going to work, and that can be devastating too. That's not to say it doesn't work full stop, or that it can't improve the quality and duration of the lives of people. 

[Lighthouse]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

 

What's this got to do with the vaccine? This is a nurse saying chemotherapy doesn't work. It doesn't in some cases. Evidence is my mum had it for five years and still died of cancer, it did nothing to stop it's spread, what it did do was ruin the last 3 years of her life because she was so ill from it. 

And Nic is right, everyone was told the vaccine was safe and effective, anyone who said otherwise was laughed, called all sorts of names. there is plenty of evidence to suggest it isn't what it was sold as, but no one whats to believe that as it doesn't suit their own narrative. 

It's true, it works both ways.

Firstly, condolences on your mother. Obviously I didn’t know her or the specifics of her condition but in the grand scheme of things it doesn’t really prove anything with regards to this argument. My mum had breast cancer around 15 years ago, thanks entirely to surgery, radio and chemo she’s still here enjoying her retirement. It’s just the random cruelty of nature I’m afraid.

Doctors have never claimed that chemo is either pleasant or guaranteed to be effective but that doesn’t mean it should be dismissed out of hand. Every case is different but supposing a doctor said you might have three years with chemo or one year without, that’s a personal decision as to whether you value the time or quality of quality of life. There’s no right answer.

What is undeniably ludicrous is a 23 year old woman with a highly treatable form of cancer dying without even attempting to fight the disease, because of her mother’s insane conspiracy theories. I’ve no idea why anyone would try to argue she was, “right to question the narrative.” Shemirani’s daughter is dead because of sh*te she reads of Facebook and values above the opinion of trained doctors.

[aintforever]

6 hours ago, Turkish said:

everyone was told the vaccine was safe and effective

That's just complete bollocks. I remember being given a leaflet explaining the risks on my first and having the risks explained to me on one of my later jabs. Not to mention reading/hearing about the risks involved numerous times in the media.

[Turkish]

14 minutes ago, aintforever said:

That's just complete bollocks. I remember being given a leaflet explaining the risks on my first and having the risks explained to me on one of my later jabs. Not to mention reading/hearing about the risks involved numerous times in the media.

Wrong again, surprise surprise

the PM statement on the 18th March 2021

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-statement-at-coronavirus-press-conference-18-march-2021#:~:text=that a single dose of,cent protection against getting COVID.&text=and the risk of death,soon as our turn comes.

 

So the Oxford jab is safe; and the Pfizer jab is safe – the thing that isn’t safe is catching Covid – which is why it’s so important that we all get our jabs as soon as our turn comes.

 

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Firstly, condolences on your mother. Obviously I didn’t know her or the specifics of her condition but in the grand scheme of things it doesn’t really prove anything with regards to this argument. My mum had breast cancer around 15 years ago, thanks entirely to surgery, radio and chemo she’s still here enjoying her retirement. It’s just the random cruelty of nature I’m afraid.

Doctors have never claimed that chemo is either pleasant or guaranteed to be effective but that doesn’t mean it should be dismissed out of hand. Every case is different but supposing a doctor said you might have three years with chemo or one year without, that’s a personal decision as to whether you value the time or quality of quality of life. There’s no right answer.

What is undeniably ludicrous is a 23 year old woman with a highly treatable form of cancer dying without even attempting to fight the disease, because of her mother’s insane conspiracy theories. I’ve no idea why anyone would try to argue she was, “right to question the narrative.” Shemirani’s daughter is dead because of sh*te she reads of Facebook and values above the opinion of trained doctors.

Of course the narrative should be questioned. Following the science has lead to disasters too. Im sure people who questioned the thalidomide drug back in the 60s were called conspiracy theorists. There have been 100s of drugs that have been withdrawn that were first deemed to be safe. Not to mention following the science with our diets told us to cut out meat and eggs and eat processed crap which has directly lead to the obesity epidemic we now have.

Edited 20 hours ago by Turkish

[Lighthouse]

21 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Wrong again, surprise surprise

the PM statement on the 18th March 2021

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-statement-at-coronavirus-press-conference-18-march-2021#:~:text=that a single dose of,cent protection against getting COVID.&text=and the risk of death,soon as our turn comes.

 

So the Oxford jab is safe; and the Pfizer jab is safe – the thing that isn’t safe is catching Covid – which is why it’s so important that we all get our jabs as soon as our turn comes.

 

Define safe. If we banned everything more dangerous than the Covid vaccine then we’d be without:

• All road vehicles
• Dogs
• Power Tools
• Gas boilers
• Sexual intercourse
• Alcoholic beverages
• Saunas
• Pretty much every brand of fast food in the country
• Petroleum
• Cigarettes
• Motorsport
• Trampolines
• Bicycles
• Horses
• Swimming pools
• Paracetamol
• Chickens
• Holidays

As aintforever said and I will verify, when I went for my vaccinations the risks were made clear to me and I was asked to sit in the waiting room for 15 minutes afterwards I case of any adverse side effects.

This whole ‘question the narrative’ line is just horse s**t said by absolute muppets, trying to look clever. The truth is they haven’t got the first clue what they’re even questioning. It’s the medical equivalent of some idiot who failed GCSE science going to a Stephen Hawking lecture on quark theory, standing up and saying, "yeah but mate, what if it’s not?!” As if that’s in any way an intelligent viewpoint.

[skintsaint]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

 

• Sexual intercourse
• Alcoholic beverages
• Saunas

[Turkish]

12 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Define safe. If we banned everything more dangerous than the Covid vaccine then we’d be without:

• All road vehicles
• Dogs
• Power Tools
• Gas boilers
• Sexual intercourse
• Alcoholic beverages
• Saunas
• Pretty much every brand of fast food in the country
• Petroleum
• Cigarettes
• Motorsport
• Trampolines
• Bicycles
• Horses
• Swimming pools
• Paracetamol
• Chickens
• Holidays

As aintforever said and I will verify, when I went for my vaccinations the risks were made clear to me and I was asked to sit in the waiting room for 15 minutes afterwards I case of any adverse side effects.

This whole ‘question the narrative’ line is just horse s**t said by absolute muppets, trying to look clever. The truth is they haven’t got the first clue what they’re even questioning. It’s the medical equivalent of some idiot who failed GCSE science going to a Stephen Hawking lecture on quark theory, standing up and saying, "yeah but mate, what if it’s not?!” As if that’s in any way an intelligent viewpoint.

Aintforever said "that's just bollocks" when i said people were told the vaccine was safe. So i provided a quote from the PM at the time saying exactly that. You can list as many things as you want in a whataboutery arguement, but the fact is our own Prime Minster said they were safe and urged everyone to get one, even made you feel like a leper if you didnt, so it wasnt "just bollocks" at all was it.

As for your other point remember the old saying "would you jump in front of a bus if they told you to do it?" seems like some people will. 

[aintforever]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Aintforever said "that's just bollocks" when i said people were told the vaccine was safe. So i provided a quote from the PM at the time saying exactly that. You can list as many things as you want in a whataboutery arguement, but the fact is our own Prime Minster said they were safe and urged everyone to get one, even made you feel like a leper if you didnt, so it wasnt "just bollocks" at all was it.

As for your other point remember the old saying "would you jump in front of a bus if they told you to do it?" seems like some people will. 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-and-blood-clotting - from 2021

Regardless of whatever Bozo said, we were still told of the risks. You are talking shite as usual.

[Turkish]

12 minutes ago, aintforever said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-and-blood-clotting - from 2021

Regardless of whatever Bozo said, we were still told of the risks. You are talking shite as usual.

So let’s ignore what the PM said then because it doesn’t suit you 😂😂😂😂

You really are incredibly dense aren’t you, bless. 

 

[egg]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Of course the narrative should be questioned. Following the science has lead to disasters too. Im sure people who questioned the thalidomide drug back in the 60s were called conspiracy theorists. There have been 100s of drugs that have been withdrawn that were first deemed to be safe. Not to mention following the science with our diets told us to cut out meat and eggs and eat processed crap which has directly lead to the obesity epidemic we now have.

I disagree. The intention was to protect the masses, quickly, from a virus which killed many end left others with life changing conditions. It was nothing more, or less, than that. 

The comparison to other drugs is irrelevant. None of those were rushed out to address a pandemic. Instead, they were drugs that didn't work as hoped. My sister was a Primodos child (think thalidomide) and has been deprived of a conventional life - education, relationships, family, etc, and lives in daily pain needing constant support and help. What's happened to her is appalling, but my mum took that drug in good faith, and doubtless the pharmaceutical companies launched it in good faith. 

My sister was on the early list for a COVID vaccine, ditto my mum as her primary carer. My mum gladly took her for the jab, which fortunately helped keep them both well during the pandemic.

The vaccine was rolled out for the right reasons, and on the whole, has proved to be a literal lifesaver. 

[AlexLaw76]

26 minutes ago, aintforever said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-and-blood-clotting - from 2021

Regardless of whatever Bozo said, we were still told of the risks. You are talking shite as usual.

Published when?

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

Define safe. If we banned everything more dangerous than the Covid vaccine then we’d be without:

• All road vehicles
• Dogs
• Power Tools
• Gas boilers
• Sexual intercourse
• Alcoholic beverages
• Saunas
• Pretty much every brand of fast food in the country
• Petroleum
• Cigarettes
• Motorsport
• Trampolines
• Bicycles
• Horses
• Swimming pools
• Paracetamol
• Chickens
• Holidays

As aintforever said and I will verify, when I went for my vaccinations the risks were made clear to me and I was asked to sit in the waiting room for 15 minutes afterwards I case of any adverse side effects.

This whole ‘question the narrative’ line is just horse s**t said by absolute muppets, trying to look clever. The truth is they haven’t got the first clue what they’re even questioning. It’s the medical equivalent of some idiot who failed GCSE science going to a Stephen Hawking lecture on quark theory, standing up and saying, "yeah but mate, what if it’s not?!” As if that’s in any way an intelligent viewpoint.

Im Ok with trampolines being sacrificed and probably bicycles but don’t come for my chickens

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

So let’s ignore what the PM said then because it doesn’t suit you 😂😂😂😂

You really are incredibly dense aren’t you, bless. 

 

Says the person who ignores the fact that when you were given a jab you were also given a leaflet explaining the risks.

The Covid jab greatly reduces the chances of getting seriously ill but like most vaccines has a tiny risk of side effects - of course it is fair to describe it as safe.

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Says the person who ignores the fact that when you were given a jab you were also given a leaflet explaining the risks.

The Covid jab greatly reduces the chances of getting seriously ill but like most vaccines has a tiny risk of side effects - of course it is fair to describe it as safe.

You said and I quote “it’s complete bollocks” we were told they were safe

 

i quoted a statement from the Prime Minster of this country saying exactly that

i wasn’t ignoring any leaflet. Unlike you who chose to dismiss a statement saying exactly what you said was “complete bollocks”

yet again you wade into a discussion with your foul mouthed ridiculous comments and embarrassing yourself  😂😂😂

Edited 18 hours ago by Turkish

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, egg said:

I disagree. The intention was to protect the masses, quickly, from a virus which killed many end left others with life changing conditions. It was nothing more, or less, than that. 

The comparison to other drugs is irrelevant. None of those were rushed out to address a pandemic. Instead, they were drugs that didn't work as hoped. My sister was a Primodos child (think thalidomide) and has been deprived of a conventional life - education, relationships, family, etc, and lives in daily pain needing constant support and help. What's happened to her is appalling, but my mum took that drug in good faith, and doubtless the pharmaceutical companies launched it in good faith. 

My sister was on the early list for a COVID vaccine, ditto my mum as her primary carer. My mum gladly took her for the jab, which fortunately helped keep them both well during the pandemic.

The vaccine was rolled out for the right reasons, and on the whole, has proved to be a literal lifesaver. 

I was actually referring to a more general point rather than specifically about covid. If nobody every challenged anything and believed what ever we were told at the time was right depending on what’s popular at the time then the world would be even more fucked than it is 

[aintforever]

13 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You said and I quote “it’s complete bollocks” we were told they were safe

 

i quoted a statement from the Prime Minster of this country saying exactly that

i wasn’t ignoring any leaflet. Unlike you who chose to dismiss a statement saying exactly what you said was “complete bollocks”

yet again you wade into a discussion with your foul mouthed ridiculous comments and embarrassing yourself  😂😂😂

You’re the fuckwit who interpreted ‘safe’ as meaning zero percent chance of anyone having side effects.

It’s because of people like you they have to write ‘may contain nuts’ on packets of peanuts.  

[AlexLaw76]

Remember the day when my Covid test results came back....

[Holmes_and_Watson]

13 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Remember the day when my Covid test results came back....

Sigh of relief. 🙂

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

You’re the fuckwit who interpreted ‘safe’ as meaning zero percent chance of anyone having side effects.

It’s because of people like you they have to write ‘may contain nuts’ on packets of peanuts.  

So are you saying now that we were told they were safe or is it “still a load of bollocks”?

[Picard]

13 hours ago, Turkish said:

Of course the narrative should be questioned. Following the science has lead to disasters too. Im sure people who questioned the thalidomide drug back in the 60s were called conspiracy theorists. There have been 100s of drugs that have been withdrawn that were first deemed to be safe. Not to mention following the science with our diets told us to cut out meat and eggs and eat processed crap which has directly lead to the obesity epidemic we now have.

Thalidomide has been repurposed as a treatment for certain types of cancer (obviously great precaution when giving it to women of child bearing age).

[spyinthesky]

Any medical treatment or ingestion of pharmaceuticals (even popular drugs such as paracetamol or aspirin) carries a risk.

Inoculating people has been going on for centuries and one of the early examples was Edward Jenner injecting Cowpox to deal with the effects of Smallpox which was a highly contagious and deadly virus before mass vaccination virtually wiped out the virus in the 1980's.
Similar story with the measles vaccination, until recently!!

Edward Jenner was the subject of much criticism in the late 1700's but this would have been small beer to the vitriol he would have been subjected to in today's world.

Medical practices, drug therapy, pain relief etc have all improved over the years and hopefully treatments such as chemotherapy will be viewed as a very outdated and inappropriate treatment in future times.

However nature has a way of evolving and viruses, in particular, can change and outwit the human brain.

Personally I have no real objection to people seeking to challenge medical practices but relying on information obtained off X, Facebook etc which are often posted by people who believe in a range of Conspiracy Theories (and there are literally hundreds out there at the moment...I feel sorry for those who have a tattoo as apparently the ink is predicted to cause all sorts of problems later in life!!) rather than those who have studied and practiced medicine to the highest level.

The recent case of Kate Shemirani and her daughter's tragic death serves as a warning perhaps.

Kate Shemirani makes money out of her Facebook page as do may 'Conspiracy Theorists'. It seems rather laughable that she was involved in a Botox Clinic business and uses Botox , thereby injecting herself with chemicals!!

[tdmickey3]

26 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

Any medical treatment or ingestion of pharmaceuticals (even popular drugs such as paracetamol or aspirin) carries a risk.

Inoculating people has been going on for centuries and one of the early examples was Edward Jenner injecting Cowpox to deal with the effects of Smallpox which was a highly contagious and deadly virus before mass vaccination virtually wiped out the virus in the 1980's.
Similar story with the measles vaccination, until recently!!

Edward Jenner was the subject of much criticism in the late 1700's but this would have been small beer to the vitriol he would have been subjected to in today's world.

Medical practices, drug therapy, pain relief etc have all improved over the years and hopefully treatments such as chemotherapy will be viewed as a very outdated and inappropriate treatment in future times.

However nature has a way of evolving and viruses, in particular, can change and outwit the human brain.

Personally I have no real objection to people seeking to challenge medical practices but relying on information obtained off X, Facebook etc which are often posted by people who believe in a range of Conspiracy Theories (and there are literally hundreds out there at the moment...I feel sorry for those who have a tattoo as apparently the ink is predicted to cause all sorts of problems later in life!!) rather than those who have studied and practiced medicine to the highest level.

The recent case of Kate Shemirani and her daughter's tragic death serves as a warning perhaps.

Kate Shemirani makes money out of her Facebook page as do may 'Conspiracy Theorists'. It seems rather laughable that she was involved in a Botox Clinic business and uses Botox , thereby injecting herself with chemicals!!

Excellent post 👏