Fan The Flames Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 34 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: You just wait! You'll be proven wrong when we have a heatwave at some point later in the year. Global warming will be the culprit for sure. https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/faq/whats-the-difference-between-climate-change-and-global-warming/ From NASA the space scientist people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted May 2 Author Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said: You just wait! You'll be proven wrong when we have a heatwave at some point later in the year. Global warming will be the culprit for sure. When temperature records are continually broken and the frequency/intensity of heatwaves increases as part of a clear trend over time, then yes you can blame it on global warming. Just because it's raining and a bit nesh in Somerset in early May doesn't prove anything (what exactly is the point you're trying to make anyway?) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted May 2 Author Share Posted May 2 35 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/faq/whats-the-difference-between-climate-change-and-global-warming/ From NASA the space scientist people. Good luck getting through. He obviously doesn't even understand the difference between climate and weather. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 2 hours ago, Fan The Flames said: https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/faq/whats-the-difference-between-climate-change-and-global-warming/ From NASA the space scientist people. Not sure what your point is. From the link it says : The terms “global warming” and “climate change” are sometimes used interchangeably, but "global warming" is only one aspect of climate change. All I've asked is when does the good bit (warming) kick in? if you don't know the answer, just say you don't know. P.s someone else brought up climate change, not me, I'm just interested in the good bit. I thought I'd made that clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 It’s like trying to explain algebra to a potato. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 On 01/05/2024 at 19:59, Sheaf Saint said: Wave of exceptionally hot weather scorches south and south-east Asia | South and central Asia | The Guardian That article says “weather” and you were accusing others of not knowing the difference between weather and global warming 🤦 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 On 21/11/2023 at 12:37, Sheaf Saint said: Q&A: Warming of 2C would trigger ‘catastrophic’ loss of world’s ice, new report says - Carbon Brief Global warming of 2C would see “extensive, long-term [and] essentially irreversible” losses from the Earth’s ice sheets and glaciers, warns a new report. It would also lead to polar oceans that are “ice-free” in summer and suffering “essentially permanent corrosive ocean acidification”, the report says. The 2023 “state of the cryosphere” report from the International Cryosphere Climate Initiative (ICCI) lays out the impacts on Earth’s frozen land and seas from sustained warming at 2C and the “catastrophic global damage” that would result. These impacts would include “potentially rapid, irreversible sea level rise from the Earth’s ice sheets”, the report says, with a “compelling number of new studies” all pointing to thresholds of sustained ice loss for both Greenland and parts of Antarctica at well-below 2C. This would commit the world to “between 12 and 20 metres” of sea level rise “if 2C becomes the new constant”. If the UK does it's very best in reducing emissions how much of this 2C rise can they prevent and how much is that going to cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 10 hours ago, Turkish said: That article says “weather” and you were accusing others of not knowing the difference between weather and global warming 🤦 See my subsequent post... 14 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said: When temperature records are continually broken and the frequency/intensity of heatwaves increases as part of a clear trend over time, then yes you can blame it on global warming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 minute ago, Sheaf Saint said: See my subsequent post... So what? It was pretty funny how you arrogantly dismissed him as not knowing the difference between climate change and weather yet when asked a direct question about climate change you responded with an article about weather. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 3 hours ago, Picard said: If the UK does it's very best in reducing emissions how much of this 2C rise can they prevent and how much is that going to cost? https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/news/costs-and-benefits-of-the-uk-reaching-net-zero-emissions-by-2050-the-evidence/ 1% of GDP by 2050, compared to an estimated 4% of global economy by 2100 if we fail to act... https://www.sciencenews.org/article/climate-economic-costs-rising-seas-will-be-steeper-than-thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said: “ When temperature records are continually broken “ Temperatures have been a lot, lot higher in the geological past. What you call ‘records’ are only relatively recent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 14 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: Not sure what your point is. From the link it says : The terms “global warming” and “climate change” are sometimes used interchangeably, but "global warming" is only one aspect of climate change. All I've asked is when does the good bit (warming) kick in? if you don't know the answer, just say you don't know. P.s someone else brought up climate change, not me, I'm just interested in the good bit. I thought I'd made that clear. I just thought you would be interested in the article given your passion for and razor sharp understanding of the subject. You've probably read it already or even wrote it for all I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 17 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Temperatures have been a lot, lot higher in the geological past. As have atmospheric CO2 and the sea level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Temperatures have been a lot, lot higher in the geological past. What you call ‘records’ are only relatively recent. Yes, but we don't have records for that, only inferences from proxy data. And as badgerx16 points out, those higher temperatures have also coincided with much higher CO2 concentrations and sea levels. An example of this is the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM), which was caused by a massive release of carbon into the atmosphere, likely from volcanic activity. Edited May 3 by Sheaf Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 8 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Yes, but we don't have records for that, only inferences from proxy data. And as badgerx16 points out, those higher temperatures have also coincided with much higher CO2 concentrations and sea levels. An example of this is the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM), which was caused by a massive release of carbon into the atmosphere, likely from volcanic activity. Could that volcanic activity happen again? And if so, how likely is it? If so, would that render man's efforts to control CO2 redundant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 49 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: I just thought you would be interested in the article given your passion for and razor sharp understanding of the subject. You've probably read it already or even wrote it for all I know. I enjoyed the article. Those spacemen really know how to write! Fantastic stuff. I also enjoy hypocrits getting agitated over the weather and climate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Ps 3rd of May today - a relatively balmy 9 degrees and only drizzling this morning. Rumour has it the golden orb will make an appearance for an hour or so later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 15 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Could that volcanic activity happen again? And if so, how likely is it? If so, would that render man's efforts to control CO2 redundant? Potentially, yes. There's no way of predicting super-volcanic eruptions with any degree of accuracy. And yes, if such an event were to occur, anthropogenic emissions would pale in comparison to the level of CO2 it would release. But we could be talking thousands or even millions of years in the future, so it doesn't negate the point of controlling our emissions in the here and now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 2 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Potentially, yes. There's no way of predicting super-volcanic eruptions with any degree of accuracy. And yes, if such an event were to occur, anthropogenic emissions would pale in comparison to the level of CO2 it would release. But we could be talking thousands or even millions of years in the future, so it doesn't negate the point of controlling our emissions in the here and now. Or we could be talking five, ten or twenty years. Or we could see a series of smaller volcanic eruptions giving the combined effect of a super volcano. So many unknowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 6 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: Could that volcanic activity happen again? And if so, how likely is it? If so, would that render man's efforts to control CO2 redundant? 1. Yes 2. Quite 3. Less relevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 7 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: Ps 3rd of May today - a relatively balmy 9 degrees and only drizzling this morning. Rumour has it the golden orb will make an appearance for an hour or so later. Early May 1976. Sunny and warm. Early May 2024 Overcast, wet and miserable. Global warming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 51 minutes ago, spyinthesky said: Early May 1976. Sunny and warm. Early May 2024 Overcast, wet and miserable. Global warming? Don't be daft. It's just weather. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 April 1949 was also a heatwave. It means nothing in the longer term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 On 03/05/2024 at 17:18, spyinthesky said: Early May 1976. Sunny and warm. Early May 2024 Overcast, wet and miserable. Global warming? It was so humid on cup final day. Overcast ish too. Must have been all those planes criss-crossing Wembley pumping out chemtrails. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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