trousers Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 1 minute ago, trousers said: Time to turn this around, 6-0 full time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Brilliant idea to get one of our toughest pre season games in first. Really gives us an idea of what is required against an opposition that will be better than virtually every team we face this year. If we can play this possession based stuff with even a small measure of success against these guys then it should stand us in good stead for the rest of preseason. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 13 minutes ago, santolijador said: Reminder to all those preaching doom and gloom after roughly 45 minutes of this game: - Benfica are consistent Portuguese Champions + UCL quarter finalists, they are miles better than a standard Championship team - It is the first pre-season game of 5, 2 weeks after appointing a new manager - I suspect that very few of the players on the pitch for this first 45 will be starting against Wednesday - We are playing like 4 or 5 kids, some 16 years old Sure, it's not been that good, but these games are literally just to get fitness up and for RM to figure stuff out I'm 99% certain he's seen that first half, picked up on mistakes errors and individual things and will go away and learn from that. It's literally the first time he's seen them in a 'competitive' setting. Personally, I think its already clear that the 'style of play' has been altered and there have been some nice passing exchanges amongst some not so nice defending etc. Please, a bit of perspective when watching this... I'm not preaching doom and gloom. Just commenting on a pre season friendly fully aware of fitness, newness of coaches etc. I just want clarification on what the benefit of short passing in our own penalty area is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Just now, OttawaSaint said: I'm not preaching doom and gloom. Just commenting on a pre season friendly fully aware of fitness, newness of coaches etc. I just want clarification on what the benefit of short passing in our own penalty area is. It's a plot by the good clubs who can play the tactic well, to make it fashionable for all clubs, so they get a few easy goals when we cock it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 A few of you are very touchy and defensive. Many are well aware who the oppo is and the nature of the game. I'm not worried at all, just commenting on things that are going on. Would be the same if we were winning, just trying to get a feel for the team and tactics. It's not attack on Saints or RM etc. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca155 Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Lot more pressing this half but as Inspector Grim would say 'too much fannying about at the back' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 I'm assuming at the moment we are just getting used to this new style of play. Who would you say has adapted the best so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santolijador Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Just now, OttawaSaint said: I'm not preaching doom and gloom. Just commenting on a pre season friendly fully aware of fitness, newness of coaches etc. I just want clarification on what the benefit of short passing in our own penalty area is. I think they general idea (I may be mistaken here) is to encourage the opposition to lose their shape by pushing up. This, in theory, allows the team in possession to play around the defensive press and catch them out of position and hopefully creating more space in the final and middle thirds. City and Brighton obviously do this very well, it is of course dependent on the ability of the players in the system. This may all be wrong as well, just my understanding/making sense of it. Not saying I'm for or against the style, though after last season I am open to pretty much anything, especially if it does look pretty, has us dominating games and actually yields results. That is all yet to be seen though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 I'm sure RM will be using the video of this game to show the players where they went wrong in losing possession in defensive areas gifting them chances. Will need to be sorted out for the real games for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Benfica are doing an exceptional job pressing us and hemming us in, a lot is due to the fact we don’t really have enough options moving the ball forward So we have nowhere to go with it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 1 minute ago, Smirking_Saint said: Benfica are doing an exceptional job pressing us and hemming us in, a lot is due to the fact we don’t really have enough options moving the ball forward So we have nowhere to go with it Great. That is exactly the type of thing we will be encountering this season. Learning how to counter it will be very important. It seems like this could be a really useful preseason fixture. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Better spell from Saints, good play KWP and Tino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Just now, OttawaSaint said: Better spell from Saints, good play KWP and Tino. Lavia also looking decent. As you would expect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 What was Salisu doing just just standing there for about 30 seconds (it seemed like it!) with his foot on the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotonianWill Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 This second team are doing a much better job in possession. KWP and Livramento are a class above as is lavia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca155 Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Certainly a good test of Martin's tactics. Benfica are a class side. Smallbone connecting well. Having Lavia play is a bit cruel. Head and shoulders above the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Passing becomes really shoddy in the final third. Need to fix that as a priority! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 5 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said: What was Salisu doing just just standing there for about 30 seconds (it seemed like it!) with his foot on the ball? I wasn’t watching, but what you describe is something Brighton are known to do a lot, to invite pressure from the opposition - eventually they play round/through the pressure and create chances. So maybe it was that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 (edited) Who came on for Amo Ameyaw? Was it Dibling coming back in? Edited 12 July, 2023 by OttawaSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 1 minute ago, OttawaSaint said: Who came on for Amo Ameyaw? Was it Dibling coming back in? Yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themotherfunky Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 2 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said: Who came on for Amo Ameyaw? Was it Dibling coming back in? Yeah it was. Rolling subs apparently 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Lavia off for Doyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 1 minute ago, Themotherfunky said: Yeah it was. Rolling subs apparently Thanks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Hopefully if we can limit the losses to 5 or 6, and we sign 2 or 3 starters then surely RM will be able to build a competive Championship team? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 2 minutes ago, goodymatt said: Yes Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Smallbone looks stronger and more composed than I remember. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Seems like this is a really educational experience for the coaches and team for who can play this style. Maybe we will see players leave simply because they can't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Just now, hypochondriac said: Seems like this is a really educational experience for the coaches and team for who can play this style. Maybe we will see players leave simply because they can't do it. Stephens, Lyanco and McCarthy were really struggling to play out from the back in that first half. Tino is a class act. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 17 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Great. That is exactly the type of thing we will be encountering this season. Learning how to counter it will be very important. It seems like this could be a really useful preseason fixture. Yeah IM not getting hung up on the quality of opposition and how we get on, it’s important to see how these players perform under pressure For instance, as suspected Stephens is an awful player but Smallbone looks good on the ball… Tino doesn’t look too comfortable but this is match 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 What a save Bazunu! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 (edited) This style isn't for the faint hearted. Going to need some adult diapers for these crossfield passes back into our own box. Edited 12 July, 2023 by OttawaSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolm waldron Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 I've not seen anything of Manning yet. Don't want to write him off too early but he's not impressed me and I fear we've been mugged off by Swansea here who saw us coming. That money could have been better spent with proven CL or top level Prem experience. Don't get me started on the young lad we've just this minute signed from Man City as he's been equally non-existent. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Fuck me that was a class save 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 What a save from Bazunu! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 1 minute ago, goodymatt said: Stephens, Lyanco and McCarthy were really struggling to play out from the back in that first half. Tino is a class act. Good to hear. Seems like Smallbone has done quite well with it to. I hope people like Alcaraz could adapt to it as well. Sounds like Bree might struggle but maybe not too bad if he's just backup anyway? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Brightside Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Wow, what a save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca155 Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Great save from Bazuna but hospital pass from Salisu. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 1 minute ago, malcolm waldron said: I've not seen anything of Manning yet. Don't want to write him off too early but he's not impressed me and I fear we've been mugged off by Swansea here who saw us coming. That money could have been better spent with proven CL or top level Prem experience. Don't get me started on the young lad we've just this minute signed from Man City as he's been equally non-existent. He was free, not sure how Swansea mugged us off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripey McStripe Shirt Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 1 minute ago, malcolm waldron said: I've not seen anything of Manning yet. Don't want to write him off too early but he's not impressed me and I fear we've been mugged off by Swansea here who saw us coming. That money could have been better spent with proven CL or top level Prem experience. Don't get me started on the young lad we've just this minute signed from Man City as he's been equally non-existent. That's the level-headed and patient Saints fan attitude that we all love. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: Good to hear. Seems like Smallbone has done quite well with it to. I hope people like Alcaraz could adapt to it as well. Sounds like Bree might struggle but maybe not too bad if he's just backup anyway? Yeah I think Smallbone could look v good in a 3 man possession based midfield 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 34 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Brilliant idea to get one of our toughest pre season games in first. Really gives us an idea of what is required against an opposition that will be better than virtually every team we face this year. If we can play this possession based stuff with even a small measure of success against these guys then it should stand us in good stead for the rest of preseason. Championship is the 6th best league in Europe after the premier league, La Liga, Serie A, Bundeliga, Ligue 1, Benfica are about as good as Sunderland. If we cant beat them we are bang in trouble this year. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 2 minutes ago, malcolm waldron said: Don't want to write him off too early but... 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Just now, Lee On Solent Saint said: He was free, not sure how Swansea mugged us off? I think the whole post was tongue in cheek. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElTrinidad Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Some of the youngsters looking good. Most of our possession is ending back with the CB’s who are then coming under pressure and conceding the ball. Benfica are a very good CL team but we are MILES away. Just the beginning but much work to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 2 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: He was free, not sure how Swansea mugged us off? Looking at the rest of the post, I am assuming/hoping that it was an attempt at a joke.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 That's a poor effort from Smallbone after a very good set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotonianWill Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Bazunu really is the perfect goalkeeper for this style of play 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 Decent play up to the box then we shit ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 12 July, 2023 Share Posted 12 July, 2023 24 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said: What was Salisu doing just just standing there for about 30 seconds (it seemed like it!) with his foot on the ball? Sounds like what Brighton used to do under Poyet. Wound Adkins up a treat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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