St Mary's Stadium

[Football Special]

12 minutes ago, SW11_Saint said:

I swear I read a reference to it (the arena stuff), but can’t find. Wider plans are in the links above. I do know the original housing plan for the gasworks site isn’t going ahead. 

Cheers, yeah sorry I replied before seeing your other posts

Bound to take years these things 

[Midfield_General]

2 hours ago, SW11_Saint said:

Actually enhanced transport links are part of the Renaissance plan, and as I understand it that includes investigating a potential rail link to SMS. 
 

 

Regeneration of five areas of the city, an innovative mass transit system*, investment in public transport and development of a sport and entertainment district near St Mary's. Billions and billions and billions of pounds worth of cost there. Unless Southampton City Council is slightly more flush than I suspect they are, who's paying for all this?

As a guide, Stratford cost £9bn which was raised by a combination of private investment, £2.2bn from the National Lottery, £600m from a GLA Olympic council tax precept, and major contributions from Transport for London and central government because it was for the Olympics. And that was to regenerate one area of a city, not five plus a waterfront. 

Obviously Dragan's hundreds of millions will be more than enough to cover the new Northam Estate tourism hub near the ground, we've established that, but what about the rest? 

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Edited 5 hours ago by Midfield_General

[Matthew Le God]

17 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

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Rasmus Ankersen at a council meeting...

 

[Midfield_General]

28 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Rasmus Ankersen at a council meeting...

 

There's his next TED talk sorted. Just need to get him a piano and the hat 👍

[Saint Fan CaM]

4 hours ago, Chez said:

Undesirable? If you work in these businesses or need cement for example, they are quite desirable. Cities need workplaces. 

Well that’s the rub - unless SCC get their collective heads sorted any likely re-locations will not happen. In terms of the definition of undesirable, there are environmental concerns for say the cement works being waterside (obviously they will be heavily regulated wherever they reside) and there’s the simple fact that some businesses are getting in the way of urban improvement and need to be re-located (a rather large example of late being the new Bargate development). It’s a complicated process that could take decades if atall.

[spyinthesky]

3 hours ago, SW11_Saint said:

I looked again and ABP are listed as a Partner in the Renaissance prospectus. Good news that they are involved and onboard. As you point out less of an issue for the area adjacent to SMS, but critical for the Town Quay plans. 

You are correct.
ABP own Town Quay and I believe also own the Freehold to the adjacent Red Funnel area so they will be working with the developers, Nicholas James Group, and the City Council, and presumably the Crown Estate, to advance the plan.
Interestingly, I understand that Nicolas James (an ex Soton Uni student who has done very well as a property developer) has sold his interest in the Harbour Hotel at Ocean Village to assist with the challenging funding.
I have also heard from decent sources that Red Funnel and ABP are looking at the possibility of transferring the Car Ferry Service over to Marchwood and ABP are actively looking at alternative sites for the aggregate business (Dibden Bay perhaps, but this would be years away).
As far as I am aware a fair bit of the western Itchen River quayside land is either owned Freehold by private companies or are held on long term leases.
If this assumption is correct then, whilst SCC and SFC may be keen to develop the land (which I think would be great) there are significant challenges in acquiring the land.
I guess there is the possibility of SCC compulsory purchasing the land but this would take time and money.

[franniesTache]

17 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

I did not say they did. It is irrelevant to the point I was making that developments are catalysts for further development. Fallacy after fallacy from some people on here!

Except that's not true for either of the two stadiums you mention.

In Manchester the Commonwealth stadium hasn't led to regeneration of the area, the Northern Quarter closer to Picaddily was already being gentrified before the stadium was built and was largely down to a council scheme in the 90s and second much bigger period after the bombing of the arndale center. The City of Manchester stadium is actually a fair bit away from the main gentrification of manchester and has a large a road that goes past it, with the immediate area still fairly run down and without a huge amount there in the way of shops (unless you count big Asda's).

As for the Olympic stadium and Olympic park, well Stratford shopping center was there prior to the Olympics, Stratford high st still has "character" (shorthand for pretty stabby) and west of the lea Hackney Wick had already started to be gentrified about 5 years before the Olympics due to Hackney being popular and artists being priced out who moved to the empty industrial units there. Then if you go south of the Olympic park you have victoria park which is one of the biggest parks in East London and gentrification has nothing to do with it's use (funnily enough the old big breakfast house is on the corner there).

Having spent a fair bit of time in that area pre Olympics, during and now the only really significant change i can think of post the stadium being built is the swingers club that used to be opposite Crate has now turned into a pub, which is a shame as it used to be hilarious sitting at Crate and laughing at the people sheepishly trying to go in without being seen.

So yeah both your "examples" are utter horseshit, and to think that it would re-generate Northam, Golden Grove or Derby Road/St Mary's is naive at best, unhinged at worst. If football grounds and events venues could do that then so many of the shops, clubs and pubs on Old Northam road wouldn't have shut down when St Mary's moved there would they?

[Matthew Le God]

1 minute ago, franniesTache said:

So yeah both your "examples" are utter horseshit

I listed three, not two. I'd also question your points on the first two.

[SW11_Saint]

1 hour ago, Midfield_General said:

Regeneration of five areas of the city, an innovative mass transit system*, investment in public transport and development of a sport and entertainment district near St Mary's. Billions and billions and billions of pounds worth of cost there. Unless Southampton City Council is slightly more flush than I suspect they are, who's paying for all this?

As a guide, Stratford cost £9bn which was raised by a combination of private investment, £2.2bn from the National Lottery, £600m from a GLA Olympic council tax precept, and major contributions from Transport for London and central government because it was for the Olympics. And that was to regenerate one area of a city, not five plus a waterfront. 

Obviously Dragan's hundreds of millions will be more than enough to cover the new Northam Estate tourism hub near the ground, we've established that, but what about the rest? 

(*please please let this be a monorail)

Well if you read the Renaissance prospectus, they were seeking investment from the private sector. That’s how all commercial developments happen. Not sure who has shown concrete interest, but I understand there is interest. So funding is not all down to SFC or SCC. 
 

The rail link, if it happens, is using existing infrastructure - the train line runs right behind the Kingsland stand, so by far the easiest way to implement it. 

[trousers]

It's happening....

 

 

[Saint Garrett]

Just now, trousers said:

It's happening....

 

 

Thats a nice pint! Far better than Kingfisher!

[Turkish]

Just now, trousers said:

It's happening....

 

 

Another fantastic improvement to the match day experience!! 

[CSA96]

5 minutes ago, trousers said:

It's happening....

 

 

Thank fuck Kingfisher are gone

[Turkish]

What's the current situation for Vegan foodstuffs in St Marys? Do we offer this?

[Midfield_General]

8 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Another fantastic improvement to the match day experience!! 

What they haven't mentioned is that it will be somewhat aggressively priced at £58,000 per pint. Need to offset the investment in the DraganWorld St Mary's Leisure Experience, Retail Park, Hotel Complex and Northam Estate Tour ™ development somehow. 

So get drinking - the city's ambitious infrastructure vision needs YOU 🫵