hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 It annoys me a bit on here when everyone criticises Skacel or says he was ****e. In my opinion he has been treated pretty shabbily by those in charge and certainly deserve a place in the team in a number of positions. Who could honestly tell me that they do not believe he is a better footballer than Molyneux, Holmes or Smith? Persoannl I would play him wide left but he has never been given a chance there. Why do those in charge seemingly ignore his obvious ability? Ok he hasn't lived up to the ridiculus hype of when he signed but he is a lot better than quite a few players on the pitch. He should play and his contribution to the team should be recognised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 He comes across as uncommitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I think the main problem that people have with Skacel is the fact that he was signed with all the hullabaloo of a Messiah from the east (via the north) on the pitch!! And quite frankly he has failed to live up to that expectation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 If he is not off he will surely be back in the team for Saturday....Holmes out injured and Smith not good enough by all accounts. Wish he was just a little fitter. But anyway in the team for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 He'd be in my first team every week wide left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 It annoys me a bit on here when everyone criticises Skacel or says he was ****e. In my opinion he has been treated pretty shabbily by those in charge and certainly deserve a place in the team in a number of positions. Who could honestly tell me that they do not believe he is a better footballer than Molyneux, Holmes or Smith? Persoannl I would play him wide left but he has never been given a chance there. Why do those in charge seemingly ignore his obvious ability? Ok he hasn't lived up to the ridiculus hype of when he signed but he is a lot better than quite a few players on the pitch. He should play and his contribution to the team should be recognised. I agree with you completely. He was really keen to join us, I reckon, and in my opinion he did the business in his first season, despite intermittent use by that idiot manager of the time. however, he was really piissed off by same said manager last season. I reckon he has played reasonably amongst the idiocy fielded this season... Why do people get on his back ? I can only think they feel somehow he has let down the #7 shirt. however, he has done better than Andreii Kanchelskis did, and I am not sure many players can fill the shoes of Keegan or Matty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2009 He comes across as uncommitted. When? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 My view of Rudi has changed since the start of the season. At first, I thought that he was tempramental, unfit and had no motivation. But, his re-emergence his impressed me - much more professional, in realising that if he is to move, it is in his interests to be in top condition. WHEN he has been given the opportunity to play this season, I feel he really has been a bright spot on the team. Who do I blame though for him going off the boil??? Burley. I really think that Burley ****ed around with many of the player's heads - one minute he thought some of them were better than sliced bread (Rudi and Rasiak) - next they are discarded. TBF if we look back at decisions that cost the CLUB - Burley's decision to drop Rasiak for half a season will be seen as the catalyst for where we are now. Can you imagine Birmingham dropping Phillips if he was their top scorer??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I think the main problem that people have with Skacel is the fact that he was signed with all the hullabaloo of a Messiah from the east (via the north) on the pitch!! And quite frankly he has failed to live up to that expectation. Surely their fault then and nothing to do with Skacel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I likes him, but then I likes xmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2009 My view of Rudi has changed since the start of the season. At first, I thought that he was tempramental, unfit and had no motivation. But, his re-emergence his impressed me - much more professional, in realising that if he is to move, it is in his interests to be in top condition. WHEN he has been given the opportunity to play this season, I feel he really has been a bright spot on the team. Who do I blame though for him going off the boil??? Burley. I really think that Burley ****ed around with many of the player's heads - one minute he thought some of them were better than sliced bread (Rudi and Rasiak) - next they are discarded. TBF if we look back at decisions that cost the CLUB - Burley's decision to drop Rasiak for half a season will be seen as the catalyst for where we are now. Can you imagine Birmingham dropping Phillips if he was their top scorer??? Leaving Skacel and Rasiak out of the team as criminal. I never understood it. It's such a shame we can't have stern John and Saga up front now. I would be pleased with that pairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 He'd be in my first team every week wide left. Totally agree. The hype did get daft in 2006 but Rudi has been one of the better performers since he joined. He hasn't got as many goals as I'd hoped but some of the stuff said about him on here is plain silly. Yes, he is one of the few high earners left but compared to many of them, he's not been bad VFM. The left-hand side looks a heck of a lot weaker with him not in the side than when he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I was motivated to start this thread because most weeks lots of people people put him left mid in their ideal eleven yet he never ever gets a chance there. Totally wasted at left back IMO. Can Mclaggon play wide right? If so have Skacel wide left with DMG and Saga up front and Surman in the middle. I still think we need another midfielder for the other CM position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 My view of Rudi has changed since the start of the season. At first, I thought that he was tempramental, unfit and had no motivation. But, his re-emergence his impressed me - much more professional, in realising that if he is to move, it is in his interests to be in top condition. WHEN he has been given the opportunity to play this season, I feel he really has been a bright spot on the team. Who do I blame though for him going off the boil??? Burley. I really think that Burley ****ed around with many of the player's heads - one minute he thought some of them were better than sliced bread (Rudi and Rasiak) - next they are discarded. TBF if we look back at decisions that cost the CLUB - Burley's decision to drop Rasiak for half a season will be seen as the catalyst for where we are now. Can you imagine Birmingham dropping Phillips if he was their top scorer??? I've been banging on about this for nearly 2 years - glad a few other people agree.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I'm pleased that no one has chipped in yet with Skacel is ****e and lazy or other such rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourno Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I like him, but thought that he was going to be so much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 It annoys me a bit on here when everyone criticises Skacel or says he was ****e. In my opinion he has been treated pretty shabbily by those in charge and certainly deserve a place in the team in a number of positions. Who could honestly tell me that they do not believe he is a better footballer than Molyneux, Holmes or Smith? Persoannl I would play him wide left but he has never been given a chance there. Why do those in charge seemingly ignore his obvious ability? Ok he hasn't lived up to the ridiculus hype of when he signed but he is a lot better than quite a few players on the pitch. He should play and his contribution to the team should be recognised. Had you thought it may be to do with the numerous times he has said to the media he doesn't want to be at saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 He doesn't wave enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 He doesn't score lots of goals and he isn't as fast as Theo, he doesn't race up and down the wing all game, setting up lots of goals for our very talented golden boy. He is to blame for most goals we conceed and he has said some nasty things that have upset our rosey cheeked god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Had you thought it may be to do with the numerous times he has said to the media he doesn't want to be at saints? Where is that then? Only interview I saw where he said he was looking to move was because he was told he would have to move in the summer or he wouldn't be playing. That would **** me off too to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I like him, but thought that he was going to be so much better. Why would he have come to us then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Where is that then? Only interview I saw where he said he was looking to move was because he was told he would have to move in the summer or he wouldn't be playing. That would **** me off too to be honest. http://www.thisishampshire.net/sport/saints/4024491.Skacel_hints_at_Saints_exit/ it made the nationals too I agree he was miffed over being excluded, but he still stated he didn't really want to play for us “If there is any interesting option for me, then I will go. I think the way forward is to play him in midfield the position he should be but every manager seems to insist on using him at leftback where he is average at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2009 http://www.thisishampshire.net/sport/saints/4024491.Skacel_hints_at_Saints_exit/ it made the nationals too I agree he was miffed over being excluded, but he still stated he didn't really want to play for us “If there is any interesting option for me, then I will go. I think the way forward is to play him in midfield the position he should be but every manager seems to insist on using him at leftback where he is average at best But I totally agree with his comments. He has been treated very poorly, playing well one week then dropped for weeks at a time for seemingly no reason. When he leaves people will look back and be annoyed that we failed to utilise him properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 But I totally agree with his comments. He has been treated very poorly, playing well one week then dropped for weeks at a time for seemingly no reason. When he leaves people will look back and be annoyed that we failed to utilise him properly. I agree that we are failing to utilise him that is for sure. But you can't deny he has underachieved at saints, but that may be down to mis-management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I think the main problem that people have with Skacel is the fact that he was signed with all the hullabaloo of a Messiah from the east (via the north) on the pitch!! And quite frankly he has failed to live up to that expectation. A fair point, but you need to take into account that while he was lauded by management as a Messiah that same management (not too sure?) held him back, in recent months, from appearing. I heard a rumour that this was because we had a clause in the deal that triggered a £500k payment to Hearts after so many appearances? That fee was, apparently, paid eventually by one of the major shareholders. In other words I don't feel he's had a fair crack of the whip here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I think the main problem that people have with Skacel is the fact that he was signed with all the hullabaloo of a Messiah from the east (via the north) on the pitch!! And quite frankly he has failed to live up to that expectation. Yeah, that's about it. To be fair to him, he didn't start the hullabaloo though. In fact, I'm not sure who did, but it certainly did start. He has failed to live up to expectations, but I still hope he'll be in the side, and playing in the position that he played for Hearts, and made him such an expectation for Saints. And give a performance I still think he could if his heart was in it. Can't really blame him for being less than totally committed to the cause though. In my opinion, he's been let down almost as much as we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South City Si Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 He's sh1te and lazy! Na, not really, I likes him a lot! I think with a decent run in the team as a Left Midfield or maybe even CAM, and with some positive encouragement I think he'd be our best player! Boom, I've said it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Coz he's expensive to play I expect - I'd love to see him roaming around a pair of strikers and mopping up some loose balls and unleashing somoe thunderbolt strikes. can't recall to many goasl like that anymore - Matty Oakley used to score a few from that area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Who are these Skacel critics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Still a nice take on a song: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xEtJP1V6T-U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 He comes across as uncommitted. Understatement of the century, but I still think he'd be better at LB than Molyneux. I honestly think Lee is awful, but I will happily give him more time to prove himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samwhocan Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Who are these Skacel critics? Me! He has the laziness of a striker coming back from offside... yet he plays left back. This really doesn't wash with me. He is always caught out of position when at left back, and when he plays left midfield he hardly ever is far enough forward to get decent crosses in. Uncommitted... ha... not nearly harsh enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 He comes across as uncommitted. Give me one example on the pitch? When I've seen him he's always looked one of our most commited players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 1. He was over-hyped when he came here. (not his fault) 2. He is a very average player but seems to rate himself much higher 3. He seems "uncommitted", not willing to play for Saints, as illustrated by some of his comments in interviews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Me! He has the laziness of a striker coming back from offside... yet he plays left back. This really doesn't wash with me. He is always caught out of position when at left back, and when he plays left midfield he hardly ever is far enough forward to get decent crosses in. Uncommitted... ha... not nearly harsh enough! Needless to say I completely disagree with you. If Arizona could let me know his assists for a couple of seasons ago that would be fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samwhocan Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Give me one example on the pitch? When I've seen him he's always looked one of our most commited players. Nonsense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2009 1. He was over-hyped when he came here. (not his fault) 2. He is a very average player but seems to rate himself much higher 3. He seems "uncommitted", not willing to play for Saints, as illustrated by some of his comments in interviews When? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Nonsense! I agree with alex. Not a dig but are you a season ticket holder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 i dont dislike him but i find his constant waving to the crowd annoying and a bit cringy to be honest. he has been treated badly and i think we are not using him the right way,imo he should be playing left mid and not left back.i dont think he has the pace to play there and although he has played well for the majority of the season he has sometimes been done for pace,something i think other teams have noticed and have taken advantage of. so to summarise on his time with us i would say that he came with a big expensive shiny label but didnt do what it said on the tin.....something which could be partly down to the way he is used in the team and perhaps partly because he's not that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint.tom.clancy Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 IMO he isnt great, but does get stuck in which is what we need really. But is he better than Molyneux? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 It annoys me a bit on here when everyone criticises Skacel or says he was ****e. In my opinion he has been treated pretty shabbily by those in charge and certainly deserve a place in the team in a number of positions. Who could honestly tell me that they do not believe he is a better footballer than Molyneux, Holmes or Smith? Persoannl I would play him wide left but he has never been given a chance there. Why do those in charge seemingly ignore his obvious ability? Ok he hasn't lived up to the ridiculus hype of when he signed but he is a lot better than quite a few players on the pitch. He should play and his contribution to the team should be recognised. Great question hypo, think mostly the answer lies in our present paranoia about the relative effort/commitment to salary equasion...probably not his fault. The best answer would be for him to play a couple of really whole-hearted performances and then ties his whats'it to mast with a "I am a loyal and committed to Saints cause" statement in the press or on SFC site....certainly a decent player who's obvious talent could help us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I agree with alex. Not a dig but are you a season ticket holder? I am, and I think he isn't committed. There was a point in a game a few weeks ago (can't remember who against) when we were a goal down with a few minutes to go and he had a free kick just inside our half, and instead of looking for someone and playing it to them, he just turned around and hit it upfield without any aim or pace. He is still my choice for LB as he is still a good player even when he doesn't give a sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 He hasn't been used properly IMO by Burley or his successors. I agree with most that he ought to be playing LM or it might be interesting if he had a free roaming midfield role too. Because of the **** treatment that the club has dished out to him, I don't blame him at all for his attitude. I think that a manager with good man-management ability will give him a go, build his confidence and return him to the player that he was at Hearts. Not having him in the team when it comprises so many raw youngsters or useless rejects from other low division teams is a total waste of talent and experience that could make a real difference to our survival prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 My view of Rudi has changed since the start of the season. At first, I thought that he was tempramental, unfit and had no motivation. But, his re-emergence his impressed me - much more professional, in realising that if he is to move, it is in his interests to be in top condition. WHEN he has been given the opportunity to play this season, I feel he really has been a bright spot on the team. Who do I blame though for him going off the boil??? Burley. I really think that Burley ****ed around with many of the player's heads - one minute he thought some of them were better than sliced bread (Rudi and Rasiak) - next they are discarded. TBF if we look back at decisions that cost the CLUB - Burley's decision to drop Rasiak for half a season will be seen as the catalyst for where we are now. Can you imagine Birmingham dropping Phillips if he was their top scorer??? Absolutely spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 So in short there are a few people who dislike him. Pretty sure i could pick any player in the squad and would be able to find someone who could have a moan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2009 So in short there are a few people who dislike him. Pretty sure i could pick any player in the squad and would be able to find someone who could have a moan... There have been many many posts on here from people calling him lazy, selfish etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I agree with you completely. He was really keen to join us, I reckon, and in my opinion he did the business in his first season, despite intermittent use by that idiot manager of the time. however, he was really piissed off by same said manager last season. I reckon he has played reasonably amongst the idiocy fielded this season... Why do people get on his back ? I can only think they feel somehow he has let down the #7 shirt. however, he has done better than Andreii Kanchelskis did, and I am not sure many players can fill the shoes of Keegan or Matty... Burley persuaded Skacel to move South, and not a bad move either - except he got stranded somewhere in left midfield when GB let it become the Gareth Bale Show! I think he'd have done better to have played at left back and had Bale further forward, the way everyone said Bridgey should play, but RS was Burley's man and always got a game. When Burley left...he was stranded. I'm sure if GB had gone to a club side he'd have bought Rudi like a shot. ..but there is no Skacel tartan as far as I know....and now with the steady stream of " coach/managers " he's been in and out of the side and as someone who wanted to continue playing(in his case) for his country..frankly I don't blame him for being pi**ed ! I think he's a good player, (he's not in Ivan Golac's league) but has a similar style and I like that bit of aggression from a full back..(ala Hollywood, Dennis, Mills, Benali and a few others) but since we had Bridge and Bale - they were young and hadn't developed that " extra grittiness " a defender should have. IMHO It needs (someone) to show interest and encourage him more. I'd like to think that Svensson could encourage him 'cos if he stays I think he could become a permanent part of side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Needless to say I completely disagree with you. If Arizona could let me know his assists for a couple of seasons ago that would be fantastic. Here you go http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalAssists/0,,10794~20067,00.html Eight assists along with Gareth Bale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 There have been many many posts on here from people calling him lazy, selfish etc etc. Lazy could be down to having a running style that makes him look like he's running though thick mud... McGoldrick suffers from it too. And i think James Beattie had all the running finesse of a knackered carthorse... This could lead people to that opinion. Also shrugging one shoulders on a football field is a cardinal sin which all footballers should be taught at a very early age. Fans can't stand it. Rudi has been known to shrug his shoulders on many an occasion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Burley persuaded Skacel to move South, and not a bad move either - except he got stranded somewhere in left midfield when GB let it become the Gareth Bale Show! I think he'd have done better to have played at left back and had Bale further forward, the way everyone said Bridgey should play, but RS was Burley's man and always got a game. When Burley left...he was stranded. I'm sure if GB had gone to a club side he'd have bought Rudi like a shot. ..but there is no Skacel tartan as far as I know....and now with the steady stream of " coach/managers " he's been in and out of the side and as someone who wanted to continue playing(in his case) for his country..frankly I don't blame him for being pi**ed ! I think he's a good player, (he's not in Ivan Golac's league) but has a similar style and I like that bit of aggression from a full back..(ala Hollywood, Dennis, Mills, Benali and a few others) but since we had Bridge and Bale - they were young and hadn't developed that " extra grittiness " a defender should have. IMHO It needs (someone) to show interest and encourage him more. I'd like to think that Svensson could encourage him 'cos if he stays I think he could become a permanent part of side. As far as I'm concerned that's rewriting history. That's not how I remember it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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