The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[LGTL]

18 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

England fans paying their “compliments” to Kier Starmer during the Andorra game. Can’t remember for a long time England fans singing derogatory songs about a PM. These lot really are unpopular 

Keep politics out of Football!! Or something. 

[LuckyNumber7]

9 hours ago, benjii said:

Seriously concerned that those knuckle-draggers will get the government they deserve next time.

Do we have the government we deserve this time?

[Gloucester Saint]

18 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

It’s a different crowd now at England. Can’t remember England fans singing about any other PM. Maybe he has come in for special treatment because he is hugely disliked. 

Again, whatever is put as evidence you will try to rebut rather than just accepting the public really don’t like this Government one year in. Just because people are anti Labour / Starmer it doesn’t mean they are right wing. Also the polls don’t lie, including the dramatic decline of the Labour Party, and the polls are the most accurate reflection of society. Today’s signing is a reflection of that. The majority don’t support them or their policies. It’s ok to accept that rather than blindly standing up for them whenever anyone says something negative about them.

Those type of people also spent an entire flight from Rio to Heathrow racially abusing John Barnes after his wonder goal in the Maracana. And for West Ham, Leeds and Chelsea on club duty throwing bananas at Danny Wallace from the Archer cage. They also kept signing ‘No Surrender to the IRA’ long after the Good Friday Agreement was signed.

I won’t be putting any store in the ‘views’ of the England members travel club any more than I would Mark Collett from Patriotic Alternative (Nick Griffin’s former deputy).
They also spent most of Euro 2016 in the bars of Germany singing about Brexit - look how that’s turned out for them. 

This is typical of them https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c51y7p8rnggo and same Neanderthals who sent the racist abuse to the lads who missed penalties in the final of Euro 2021.

Same type of knuckledraggers have also vandalised local roundabouts. My England international sport is hence watched at cricket test/ODI venues and Twickenham where people can behave and respect a range of views. 

Edited Sunday at 16:53 by Gloucester Saint

[Gloucester Saint]

Chris Philp moans on about asylum seekers and hotels - let’s see how he and Yvonne Cooper compare:

- September 2023, 56042 ASs housed in hotels when Philp was Home Office Minister

- June 2025 (most recent data) ASs housed in hotel 32059.

(source Private Eye)

Edited Sunday at 16:28 by Gloucester Saint

[Saint86]

On 05/09/2025 at 16:14, trousers said:

Of all the cabinet - this is the fucktard that actually has to go. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, Saint86 said:

Of all the cabinet - this is the fucktard that actually has to go. 

And he’s very isolated now she has gone. 

[Saint86]

7 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

And he’s very isolated now she has gone. 

He may be isolated, but its extremely telling that he is still there and hasn't even been moved.

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

He may be isolated, but its extremely telling that he is still there and hasn't even been moved.

Last sop to the Labour left as they have another go at welfare reform I would guess, but people more ITK with the Labour Party might know better. 

[trousers]

4 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Like trousers said, that attitude contributes to Reform getting votes.

Sometimes it's difficult to work out who's most 'thick'... The actual thick people or the people that continuously mock the thick people...

[Challenger]

If you don't want a Reform government then get your fucking act together NOW you fucking bunch of useless tards.

[hypochondriac]

21 minutes ago, trousers said:

Sometimes it's difficult to work out who's most 'thick'... The actual thick people or the people that continuously mock the thick people...

Particularly if the mocking produces the opposite result than the one the mockers want!

[aintforever]

Who votes for a party because they are being mocked in social media?

[Gloucester Saint]

5 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Who votes for a party because they are being mocked in social media?

Quite the opposite - Reform UK spent £40k just between mid-July and mid-August 2025 on Facebook and Instagram adverts mainly about asylum.

This figure was considerably more than the main parties spent combined.

Rather drives a coach and horses through the idea of Reform as plucky underdogs clutching St George flags. Chances are the money came from overseas.

Edited Sunday at 17:42 by Gloucester Saint

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Who votes for a party because they are being mocked in social media?

You don't think that mockery and being told their views are unimportant and don't matter contributed to a buildup that made things like brexit more likely?

[aintforever]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

You don't think that mockery and being told their views are unimportant and don't matter contributed to a buildup that made things like brexit more likely?

Both sides mock each other, I’ve seen plenty of stuff online that mocks left wing people.

[trousers]

20 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Who votes for a party because they are being mocked in social media?

If you're saying you'd have to be stupid to vote for someone because of being mocked on social media, then maybe the answer is in your question...

Edited Sunday at 17:56 by trousers

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Those type of people also spent an entire flight from Rio to Heathrow racially abusing John Barnes after his wonder goal in the Maracana. And for West Ham, Leeds and Chelsea on club duty throwing bananas at Danny Wallace from the Archer cage. They also kept signing ‘No Surrender to the IRA’ long after the Good Friday Agreement was signed.

I won’t be putting any store in the ‘views’ of the England members travel club any more than I would Mark Collett from Patriotic Alternative (Nick Griffin’s former deputy).
They also spent most of Euro 2016 in the bars of Germany singing about Brexit - look how that’s turned out for them. 

This is typical of them https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c51y7p8rnggo and same Neanderthals who sent the racist abuse to the lads who missed penalties in the final of Euro 2021.

Same type of knuckledraggers have also vandalised local roundabouts. My England international sport is hence watched at cricket test/ODI venues and Twickenham where people can behave and respect a range of views. 

You’ve basically tarred any England fan that doesn’t like Kier Starmer with this brush which is a ridiculous statement. “If you chanted about Kier you’re a right wing facist and racist” - it’s a poor comment. We don’t live in the 1980s anymore and this was a home game against Andorra.
 

Anyway it’s immaterial - the polls are what matter. The England fans reflected what the wider country thinks. You can ignore it all you want but that doesn’t matter. It reflects  the level of dissatisfaction.

Edited Sunday at 18:08 by Sir Ralph

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

Sometimes it's difficult to work out who's most 'thick'... The actual thick people or the people that continuously mock the thick people...

Uh oh. Now I'm worried there's a third thick group of those that can't work it out. 🙂

  A simple maths problem will make me feel less thick...

7 hours ago, whelk said:

Only way this cunt can function is grouping everybody. So like SOG although SOG probably has 5 times his intelligence 

That's handy.

5*0 =...

 

[Saint86]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Particularly if the mocking produces the opposite result than the one the mockers want!

Now that just sounds like the democrats in America 😅

[Saint86]

51 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Quite the opposite - Reform UK spent £40k just between mid-July and mid-August 2025 on Facebook and Instagram adverts mainly about asylum.

This figure was considerably more than the main parties spent combined.

Rather drives a coach and horses through the idea of Reform as plucky underdogs clutching St George flags. Chances are the money came from overseas.

A lot of Tory donors have switched to reform now, as well as them starting to attract business. They are the largest party at this point - I think it will come down to whether labour can sort themselves out and/or whether people actually think reform can form a serious government. The tories are normally wounded as far as the next GE goes. The other question ofc is whether Corbyn splits the left wing vote - which would also be devastating for labour.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if labour push through PR to at least stop reform getting in - even if it's long term suicide for labour.

I don't think it's that unlikely that we see reform and lib Dems as the main two parties next GE.

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

Both sides mock each other, I’ve seen plenty of stuff online that mocks left wing people.

Where did I suggest otherwise? My point is if you wanted future events like brexit or reform to be less likely to happen I would have thought the people that didn't want that would try to avoid attitudes that we know make those things more likely to happen. It does now seem that Labour are finally cottoning onto that and are trying to address some of these concerns rather than calling those people thick or racist. Remains to be seen if they can actually do something about it.

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Where did I suggest otherwise? My point is if you wanted future events like brexit or reform to be less likely to happen I would have thought the people that didn't want that would try to avoid attitudes that we know make those things more likely to happen. It does now seem that Labour are finally cottoning onto that and are trying to address some of these concerns rather than calling those people thick or racist. Remains to be seen if they can actually do something about it.

It won’t be long before Rwanda style policy is floated in the media, along with having military in the Channel

[hypochondriac]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

It won’t be long before Rwanda style policy is floated in the media, along with having military in the Channel

Kind of hilarious they are now talking about using army barracks -something they previously suggested was inhumane. If Reform do nothing else positive,one thing you can say is they've forced Labour into a more hardline stance on illegal migrants. If it gets them out quicker and prevents them from milling about in the community as much then all good.

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Kind of hilarious they are now talking about using army barracks -something they previously suggested was inhumane. If Reform do nothing else positive,one thing you can say is they've forced Labour into a more hardline stance on illegal migrants. If it gets them out quicker and prevents them from milling about in the community as much then all good.

Oh, there will bound to be stories about how cruel it is living in accommodation that was good enough for troops in some cases

Edited Sunday at 19:00 by AlexLaw76

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Oh, there will bound to be stories about how cruel it is living in accommodation that was good enough for troops in some cases

I don't think the majority of the country gives a shit quite frankly. You shouldn't be breaking into the country if you're upset about army barracks. 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

You’ve basically tarred any England fan that doesn’t like Kier Starmer with this brush which is a ridiculous statement. “If you chanted about Kier you’re a right wing facist and racist” - it’s a poor comment. We don’t live in the 1980s anymore and this was a home game against Andorra.
 

Anyway it’s immaterial - the polls are what matter. The England fans reflected what the wider country thinks. You can ignore it all you want but that doesn’t matter. It reflects  the level of dissatisfaction.

Bollocks. What a load of. Unlike you, I’m not a politics-obsessed nutcase. Do you know how many England football, England cricket, rugby let alone several hundred Saints and neutral matches I’ve sung a song about a Prime Minister or any politician?

Answer: like 99% of normal people, never. Not about a Tory, Labour, Lib Dem etc. The only time I’ve ever heard it was from the Northam in solidarity with Ukraine straight after Putin’s illegal invasion.

If people want to sing about that sort of thing, go to a party conference or a Patriotic Alternative event. I go to watch sport. Full stop. Same applies to the Just Stop Oil nutters who nearly injured Bairstow and Warner invading Lords during the Ashes. 

Reform has nowhere near a majority of support. 70% don’t. 48% of Remainers for a start - me included - and that figure is higher since Brexit has failed so dismally. The party I voted for has around 70 more seats for a start.

Edited Sunday at 20:30 by Gloucester Saint

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

I don't think the majority of the country gives a shit quite frankly. You shouldn't be breaking into the country if you're upset about army barracks. 

They will probably prefer army digs to The Bell Hotel in Epping.

[Sir Ralph]

41 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Bollocks. What a load of. Unlike you, I’m not a politics-obsessed nutcase. Do you know how many England football, England cricket, rugby let alone several hundred Saints and neutral matches I’ve sung a song about a Prime Minister or any politician?

Answer: like 99% of normal people, never. Not about a Tory, Labour, Lib Dem etc. The only time I’ve ever heard it was from the Northam in solidarity with Ukraine straight after Putin’s illegal invasion.

If people want to sing about that sort of thing, go to a party conference or a Patriotic Alternative event. I go to watch sport. Full stop. Same applies to the Just Stop Oil nutters who nearly injured Bairstow and Warner invading Lords during the Ashes. 

Reform has nowhere near a majority of support. 70% don’t. 48% of Remainers for a start - me included - and that figure is higher since Brexit has failed so dismally. The party I voted for has around 70 more seats for a start.

The point I made was I’ve never heard anybody at a football game sing about a PM which shows how unpopular he is. Very simple point. You dismissed it by essentially calling them all right wing nutters. I called you out and I’m a nutcase.

Somehow you have got onto John Barnes, Danny Wallace, the IRA, the England Supporters Club, Brexit and Reform. You missed out Trump though, which I’m sure is coming 😉

Edited Sunday at 21:03 by Sir Ralph

[trousers]

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

I’ve never sung a song about a politician

This one not your doing then...? 😁

 

[Gloucester Saint]

30 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I’ve never sung a song about a politician either. I didn’t comment on the rights or wrongs of it. You did. The point I made was I’ve never heard anyone do that before shows how unpopular he is. Very simple point. You dismissed it by essentially calling them all right wing nutters. I called you out and I’m a nutcase.

I didn’t mention reform - you did. I didn’t mention Brexit - you did. I was saying how unpopular Labour are. You seem to think they are popular. You don’t need a majority of people to get into power - Labour did with 33.7% of the vote. 
 

The common theme of deflection 

Yes, I did comment on it because I know the mentality of the people who do that sort of thing. I grew up and moved on my life, some people don’t or can’t. Yes, they are right wing nutters same as anyone signing about Boris at SMS when he was PM would be branded a loony leftie understandably. It’s abnormal. 99.9% of people want to watch a game. If I wanted to hear political signing, I’d go to a Conservative, Liberal or Working Man’s club. God forbid, even that dump of a pub Reform bought in Blackpool if I wanted a pint of Carling from filthy pipes. 
Governments don’t tend to be very popular in power. Maggie wasn’t popular at all 1979-82 and 1988-90. Maggie recovered with the Falklands, Cameron won in 2015 but only by promising the referendum. Blair did maintain good ratings, Boris started spectacularly and plummeted. Major started well but never recovered from the ERM. 

Oh, and what part of ‘I’m a Liberal Democrat voter’ was difficult to comprehend? 

Summary: Russell Martin is asked to comment on whether he’s met Rishi at a midweek game. Says he hasn’t and their politics are different. Gets hammered from the right-wingers for being out of his lane and apparently is disrespectful.

A few hundred National Front sing about a centre-left Prime Minister at a nothing and dire England game - that’s Ok apparently.

No need to correspond further on the topic. There’s loads of people at other England sports with a divergence of views and rugby/cricket is Conservative with a small c. But people there have manners, education and keep things in a decent place focused on the sport. Also, our Barmy Army hasn’t smashed up town centres or racially abused people. England football fans or a segment of them have been doing it since the early 70s.

Edited Sunday at 21:19 by Gloucester Saint

[hypochondriac]

If i start a chant on Sunday about deporting the fetid, disease ridden Westwood to a camp on Hayling Island is that classed as political chanting?

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

If i start a chant on Sunday about deporting the fetid, disease ridden Westwood to a camp on Hayling Island is that classed as political chanting?

No, because he isn’t a politician. All in favour of deporting him but Hayling Island is actually quite a nice place. How about those forts in the middle of the Solent if the fans of both clubs have a whip-round?

Their fans like him as much as we do. Hopefully wouldn’t hear his bell from there either. Petersfield would smell more pleasant too.

[Sir Ralph]

 

10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

If i start a chant on Sunday about deporting the fetid, disease ridden Westwood to a camp on Hayling Island is that classed as political chanting?

It would be transphobic though. 😆What an utterly weird thing to do. 

https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/football/portsmouth-fc/portsmouth-fc-fan-john-westwood-banned-for-fourth-time-this-season-after-going-into-ladies-toilets-claiming-he-was-transgender-4062862

Edited Sunday at 21:35 by Sir Ralph

[hypochondriac]

6 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

 

It would be transphobic though. 😆What an utterly weird thing to do. 

https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/football/portsmouth-fc/portsmouth-fc-fan-john-westwood-banned-for-fourth-time-this-season-after-going-into-ladies-toilets-claiming-he-was-transgender-4062862

Fucking hell. Is he even allowed in our stadium? He makes East stand nic seem like a mensa candidate by comparison.

Edited Sunday at 21:41 by hypochondriac

[Sir Ralph]

11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Fucking hell. Is he even allowed in our stadium? He makes East stand nic seem like a mensa candidate by comparison.

 “They” - transphobe 😆

[Gloucester Saint]

25 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Fucking hell. Is he even allowed in our stadium? He makes East stand nic seem like a mensa candidate by comparison.

He pissed on the seats at the league cup game in 03 and was banned for the PL game at Xmas. I remember singing ‘Ding Dong Ding Dong, where’s your Bell gone’? at their section.

Then tried to go to the England v Kosovo qualifier wearing a Pompey shirt (idiot) and wasn’t let in. Just add some more bitterness and mythology from them.

If he’s in the bubble next Sunday morning and they’re banning alcohol on board he will have the shakes like crazy.

[Weston Super Saint]

12 hours ago, Challenger said:

If you don't want a Reform government then get your fucking act together NOW you fucking bunch of useless tards.

Ludicrous!  There's nothing the current Government can do to stop Reform winning the next General Election because thick people something something.

[Turkish]

Record number of illegal migrants crossed the channel this weekend. Smashing the gangs going really well 

[AlexLaw76]

41 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Record number of illegal migrants crossed the channel this weekend. Smashing the gangs going really well 

Forensic stuff from our Kier 

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Forensic stuff from our Kier 

at least they're accelerating the end to asylum hotels so there will be plenty of space to put them in.

[Turkish]

[east-stand-nic]

17 hours ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

Do we have the government we deserve this time?

Quite brilliant. Note you got no reply as the idiots just cannot see how stupidly blinkered they are. When it is there side it is OK. When it is anyone else, we are all thick, and get what we deserve. 

[OldNick]

A big shame is that the Rwanda scheme was stopped as soon as they came to power. It was not a case we had to send 10s of thousands of people there, but it would have been a deterrent for them to travel here in the forst place. If you actually look at Rwanda, it is a modern country where these people would have been welcomed and they have a young population who wanted them.

Having 1000 arriven on saturday is incredible, the money we give France just does not seem to work and why we keep sending back the dinghys and life jackets is incredible (if indeed this is the case)

When or how can we stop this flow? I wonder if Agenda 30 really is going to come to fruition ( if you dont know about it look it up, it is scary)

[Farmer Saint]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c5yqgnzw759t

Got a horrible feeling that Capitalism (well, Western Capitalism) is starting to fail...

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c5yqgnzw759t

Got a horrible feeling that Capitalism (well, Western Capitalism) is starting to fail...

Seems like you've found a Brexit benefit - not having to bail France out 

[Jeremy Corbyn]

32 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c5yqgnzw759t

Got a horrible feeling that Capitalism (well, Western Capitalism) is starting to fail...

Feels like even the boomers are starting to realise how much of a mess they've created, which I suppose is positive.

[Farmer Saint]

46 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Feels like even the boomers are starting to realise how much of a mess they've created, which I suppose is positive.

I know my parents feel very bad about their generation and the world that they are leaving us (and our children). 

[whelk]

6 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Quite brilliant. Note you got no reply as the idiots just cannot see how stupidly blinkered they are. When it is there side it is OK. When it is anyone else, we are all thick, and get what we deserve. 

Shouldn’t you be worried about Thai politics and whatever the current issues are over there? Deserters should fuck off and stay out of shit that doesn’t involve them……and in your case they don’t understand

[whelk]

Where’s Ralphie boy to laud it about France’s booming economy and low inflation?

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Feels like even the boomers are starting to realise how much of a mess they've created, which I suppose is positive.

It’s not anyone’s fault per se , the way economies and empires rise and fall. China will take over from the West and it won’t be Starmer’s fault