The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

19 minutes ago, whelk said:

I just hope the ID cards are suitably high tech and a chip can be inserted under the skin to save carrying something

It's the upgrades you have to watch out for.

As I found out when I got a betamax player inserted into the back of my head.

[AlexLaw76]

29 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

It's the upgrades you have to watch out for.

As I found out when I got a betamax player inserted into the back of my head.

The only logical step is for a government issued iPhone (every 5 years) to stores said ID Cards on

[Holmes_and_Watson]

17 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The only logical step is for a government issued iPhone (every 5 years) to stores said ID Cards on

It's the logical step to bring all the data harvesting and surveillance tech together in one easily tracked package.

As Starmer said in his historic partnership with Apple " Did you know that you're only 200 feet away from McDonalds and that those trousers you have on are very last season? Remember non-activist citizen: Growth, growth, growth."

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11 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

ID Cards and such like will happen one day.

however, the thought of the UK Government being guardians of such data is pretty scary given the biggest and best companies, who pour unlimited funds into cyber security, suffer from significant data breaches.

HMRC - government. They have personal data for all legitimate working people. 

I'm not persuaded that the government storing data about working people that the government already has is a point at all, let alone a good one. 

[whelk]

18 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

It's the logical step to bring all the data harvesting and surveillance tech together in one easily tracked package.

As Starmer said in his historic partnership with Apple " Did you know that you're only 200 feet away from McDonalds and that those trousers you have on are very last season? Remember non-activist citizen: Growth, growth, growth."

It is essential to have a GPS chip that is open to FOI requests so we are all free to know everyone’s movements if we wish. I just hope they partner with that lovely ethical fellow Mark Zucherberg

[Weston Super Saint]

21 minutes ago, egg said:

HMRC - government. They have personal data for all legitimate working people. 

 

Which is a good point.

The question still remains though, how do digital IDs solve the issue of illegal workers?

Let's not forget that all non UK citizens already have an online digital ID which allows them to work, but that hasn't had any effect on illegal immigration.

To me (and I couldn't give a shiny shit whether I need one or not), I'm not seeing how it solves the problem we're being told it will solve. Someone will still need to be checking IDs to find the illegal workers, which they can do right now of the appetite was there...

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2 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Which is a good point.

The question still remains though, how do digital IDs solve the issue of illegal workers?

Let's not forget that all non UK citizens already have an online digital ID which allows them to work, but that hasn't had any effect on illegal immigration.

To me (and I couldn't give a shiny shit whether I need one or not), I'm not seeing how it solves the problem we're being told it will solve. Someone will still need to be checking IDs to find the illegal workers, which they can do right now of the appetite was there...

I agree with that. I don't have an issue with an ID card, but like you, I don't see how it addresses the fundamental issue. 

An ID card without bodies on the ground to police them is pointless. 

[whelk]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

I agree with that. I don't have an issue with an ID card, but like you, I don't see how it addresses the fundamental issue. 

An ID card without bodies on the ground to police them is pointless. 

We need to go full draconian and say any firm employing someone without an  ID card gets fined so heavily that they will go out of business. Or send directors to prison

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4 minutes ago, whelk said:

We need to go full draconian and say any firm employing someone without an  ID card gets fined so heavily that they will go out of business. Or send directors to prison

Absolutely. It needs a proper deterrent, and for it to properly enforced. Utterly ridiculous that firms are getting away with hiring whoever they want without penalty.