The Reform Thread

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Sir Ralph said:

Hence my suggestion to help the 'responsible tax payer'. There are clearly people taking the piss out of the benefits system, some of whom I know of (but am not friends with). Some on here seem to think its ok for the long term unemployed to milk the system on the two child cap point. I dont.

Of course we don't think the unemployed should milk the system - we've all said that benefits need massive reform. The issue is this is not the hill to die on, and unfortunately your ideas are too simplistic, as shown above.

Just letting people fall though the gaps is utterly unacceptable on the back of the fact that people game the system.

[Sir Ralph]

17 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

So as far as you are concerned, a family unit should contain two full time working parents at all times? Are you aware of the ridiculous cost of childcare? Easily will clear out more than one of those salaries. Why wouldn't the above benefit from the removal of the cap btw?

This is just one scenario - there are a thousand of these different scenarios. Who is going to administer all these different nuances? It's going to take a huge amount of people, doing a huge amount of interviews, to administer these rules, as all these stats just aren't available.

I think I have very much proven my point here.

You cant unilaterally decided you have proven your point! 

We disagree thats it. You think its too complicated to stop the long term unemployed milking the system and there are too many negative impacts. I dont.

[sadoldgit]

8 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Hence my suggestion to help the 'responsible tax payer'. I've literally just suggested that!

There are clearly people taking the piss out of the benefits system, some of whom I know of (but am not friends with). Can you tell me that there arent and what percentage are receiving an appropriate level of welfare?

Some on here seem to think its ok for the long term unemployed to milk the system on the two child cap point. I dont.

 

Milk the system? None of us have got any idea but I am prepared to bet that the vast majority of people on benefits are not milking the system.

Have you ever tried to get benefits? 

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Milk the system? None of us have got any idea but I am prepared to bet that the vast majority of people on benefits are not milking the system.

Have you ever tried to get benefits? 

So you will bet on something you dont know the answer to....

Ive been through this before. My family lived below the poverty line in this country. My pareants refused to take beenfits. We batted through, despite having very little. We were fine and probably taught me the value of money and the need to work hard. In my opinion, that is what is currently lacking in the UK.

Edited 17 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

27 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

You cant unilaterally decided you have proven your point! 

We disagree thats it. You think its too complicated to stop the long term unemployed milking the system and there are too many negative impacts. I dont.

No, you've proven it's too complicated.

[Farmer Saint]

52 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

So you will bet on something you dont know the answer to....

Ive been through this before. My family lived below the poverty line in this country. My pareants refused to take beenfits. We batted through, despite having very little. We were fine and probably taught me the value of money and the need to work hard. In my opinion, that is what is currently lacking in the UK.

Christ, you trying to outSOG SOG?

[sadoldgit]

“Far right” trigger alert.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0q57yy0pyvo.amp

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

So you will bet on something you dont know the answer to....

Ive been through this before. My family lived below the poverty line in this country. My pareants refused to take beenfits. We batted through, despite having very little. We were fine and probably taught me the value of money and the need to work hard. In my opinion, that is what is currently lacking in the UK.

I am not sure what a beenfit is?

Good for your family. So what? Plenty of people work really hard and still find it hard to make ends meet.

Anyway, any chance of hearing what my “extremist” views are? Judging by your recent comments I’m guessing they involve supporting the welfare state.

[sadoldgit]

26 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Christ, you trying to outSOG SOG?

Please don’t compare me to him.

[CB Fry]

3 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

So you will bet on something you dont know the answer to....

Ive been through this before. My family lived below the poverty line in this country. My pareants refused to take beenfits. We batted through, despite having very little. We were fine and probably taught me the value of money and the need to work hard. In my opinion, that is what is currently lacking in the UK.

You're lucky. We lived for three months in a rolled up newspaper in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the newspaper, eat a handful of hot gravel and crust of stale bread, go to work down the mill, for a 14 hour day, week in week out for 6 pennies a month, and when we got home, and dad would beat us about the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were lucky.

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

You're lucky. We lived for three months in a rolled up newspaper in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the newspaper, eat a handful of hot gravel and crust of stale bread, go to work down the mill, for a 14 hour day, week in week out for 6 pennies a month, and when we got home, and dad would beat us about the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were lucky.

 

It's freeloaders like you that give the welfare state a bad name. Why, when I were a lad I'd have to start my chimney sweeping shift 6 hours before I finished my shift doon pit. Hot gravel? Luxury! We had to live on the soot and slurry we could catch between our teeth, fighting off the pit ponies, bats and other mutant children for the privilege! Oh, we used to dream of being beaten with a broken bottle! But we had to combine our mining with placing radioactive canisters doon pit. We had no time for such affection. And no time to spend any pennies, which is why they were kept from us by our evil workhouse owners. Not that we got to stay in the workhouse, mind you! Those of us not blind from the radioactive sludge or falling masonry injuries would possibly see it through the smog from a distance. If we were lucky!

[Turkish]

18 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

It's freeloaders like you that give the welfare state a bad name. Why, when I were a lad I'd have to start my chimney sweeping shift 6 hours before I finished my shift doon pit. Hot gravel? Luxury! We had to live on the soot and slurry we could catch between our teeth, fighting off the pit ponies, bats and other mutant children for the privilege! Oh, we used to dream of being beaten with a broken bottle! But we had to combine our mining with placing radioactive canisters doon pit. We had no time for such affection. And no time to spend any pennies, which is why they were kept from us by our evil workhouse owners. Not that we got to stay in the workhouse, mind you! Those of us not blind from the radioactive sludge or falling masonry injuries would possibly see it through the smog from a distance. If we were lucky!

You think you’ve had it tough? I once went to a brunch and didn’t meet anyone who know someone famous or could back up what I was posting on here about 

[Weston Super Saint]

7 hours ago, Turkish said:

You think you’ve had it tough? I once went to a brunch and didn’t meet anyone who know someone famous or could back up what I was posting on here about 

Lunch?  Lucky you.  I once went to an all day brunch.  It didn't last all day.

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/reform-forced-to-defend-candidate-from-their-own-racist-supporters-401249/

 

Wow, the Reform councillor messed up there. Should have gone for British born and a full British citizen as the minimum. 

 

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/reform-forced-to-defend-candidate-from-their-own-racist-supporters-401249/

 

Wow, the Reform councillor messed up there. Should have gone for British born and a full British citizen as the minimum. 

 

Not all Reform voters are racist, but all racists vote Reform.

[sadoldgit]

22 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Not all Reform voters are racist, but all racists vote Reform.

They might not all be racist, but if they vote for a racist party they are racist enablers.

[Sir Ralph]

9 hours ago, CB Fry said:

You're lucky. We lived for three months in a rolled up newspaper in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the newspaper, eat a handful of hot gravel and crust of stale bread, go to work down the mill, for a 14 hour day, week in week out for 6 pennies a month, and when we got home, and dad would beat us about the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were lucky.

 

You're lucky. Imagine being born in Liverpool.

Edited 4 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Not all Reform voters are racist, but all racists vote Reform.

I believe there are still many dyed in the wool racists that vote Conservative and Labour. 

Reform does not have exclusivity on racists.

[Sir Ralph]

7 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I believe there are still many dyed in the wool racists that vote Conservative and Labour. 

Reform does not have exclusivity on racists.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54731222

[Farmer Saint]

16 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I believe there are still many dyed in the wool racists that vote Conservative and Labour. 

Reform does not have exclusivity on racists.

I was being slightly facetious here TBF - I'm sure there are many old school racists who are so partisan they will never move, but the vast majority will follow whichever party is the one to "Get 'em deported".

[rallyboy]

All parties have always had racism issues but in 2025 Reform is the natural home of the racist, and they have flocked there in vast numbers.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, rallyboy said:

All parties have always had racism issues but in 2025 Reform is the natural home of the racist, and they have flocked there in vast numbers.

That's what happens when it is encouraged.

Edited 2 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[revolution saint]

16 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

So you will bet on something you dont know the answer to....

I

Isn't that the whole point of betting?

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

They might not all be racist, but if they vote for a racist party they are racist enablers.

From an anti semite who voted for Corbyn 😂