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badgerx16

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8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I do. I also have spent the last few months learning what the likes of Socrates and Plato thought of “democracy” and how and why it leads to tyranny (which is currently happening in the USA). Democracy has lead to the disaster that was Brexit. Democracy could also lead to Nigel Farage being the next PM of this country. Read Plato’s Republic. It is as prescient as Orwell’s 1984.

"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

In your perfect World, who gets to choose who is allowed to vote, and what they are allowed to vote for ?

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Gloucester Saint

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That’s an even stranger move by Farage than taking Zahawi. Corrupt Bob is a different level of sleaze again, the epitome of a smarmy estate agent shaking your hand whilst smirking and gazumping you.

If you’re making the pitch to be genuinely different, he’s the last person you’d want on board.

All of the shit they’ve exchanged on social media is an easy stick to hit them with as well.

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sadoldgit

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6 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

In your perfect World, who gets to choose who is allowed to vote, and what they are allowed to vote for ?

I don’t have a perfect world. There never has been and never will be as long as humans are involved.

If you go back to the cradle of democracy, women, anyone from outside of Athens and slaves were denied votes. It wasn’t that long ago that women were denied the vote in this country was it?

Socrates and Plato were of the opinion that there would be no votes and that the Republic should be governed by what they call “Philosopher Kings.” The argument they put forward it too complex to go through here but if you are interested in it, read The Republic.

What they do particularly well is explain why various forms of governments end up in tyranny. It explains perfectly what is happening in the US right now and warns of what could happen here if we go down the populist route championed by Farage.

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sadoldgit

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3 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

That’s an even stranger move by Farage than taking Zahawi. Corrupt Bob is a different level of sleaze again, the epitome of a smarmy estate agent shaking your hand whilst smirking and gazumping you.

If you’re making the pitch to be genuinely different, he’s the last person you’d want on board.

All of the shit they’ve exchanged on social media is an easy stick to hit them with as well.

Farage’s position seems to be that he wants big names (experience) on his front bench. Fair enough, but you could question his choices!

What intrigues me is that he says he is going to unveil a Labour absconder next week. Who the hell will that be?

whelk

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Just had to switch over from news after forgetting what an odious weasel Jenrick is. Badenoch sums him up nicely. I think she has had a much better day than Farage

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Gloucester Saint

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13 minutes ago, iansums said:

Sorry, I don’t take that organisation seriously.

This was pitiful https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/nigel-farage-refuses-to-directly-apologise-to-rishi-sunak-over-racist-comments-b/837094701249910/

https://nen.press/letters-farages-racist-glasgow-remarks-betray-the-true-welcoming-spirit-of-scotland/

Defending multiple racist comments https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78z4eyvnx1o

https://news.sky.com/story/farage-defends-ukip-candidates-chinese-slur-10378308 and https://www.facebook.com/100063703086121/posts/nigel-farage-sparks-fury-over-chinky-slur-row-️nigelfarage-has-ignited-a-storm-o/1419439373522819/ and https://www.facebook.com/northants.et/photos/reform-uk-will-not-be-taking-any-further-action-over-wellingborough-councillors-/1499534681889275/ and https://www.thenewworld.co.uk/rats-in-a-sack-the-reform-councillor-and-the-white-supremacist-dating-site/

I don’t agree with what Soggy said to you earlier though. That was wrong.

 

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sadoldgit

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1 hour ago, iansums said:

Sorry, I don’t take that organisation seriously.

You don’t have to, there is plenty of hard evidence out there, much of it from his own mouth. Also go and look at the political organisations that he has been involved with. This isn’t fake news. It is factual. If you are going to vote for him you really need to properly look at what you are voting for.

More for you to think about…

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farages-most-controversial-moments-ukip-brexit-b1122381.html

 

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sadoldgit

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Honest Bob, Newark MP. The only Member of Parliament whose character is an anagram of his constituency.  

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sadoldgit

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“𝗡𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝘁𝗿𝘂𝘀𝘁 𝗮 𝗧𝗼𝗿𝘆” 𝗡𝗶𝗴𝗲𝗹 𝗙𝗮𝗿𝗮𝗴𝗲
Nigel Farage: Ex Tory member.
Richard Tice: Ex Tory member.
Zia Yusuf: Ex Tory member.
Lee Anderson: Ex Tory minister.
Nadin Zahawi: Ex Tory minister.
Nadine Dorries: Ex Tory minister.
Jake Berry: Ex Tory minister.
David Jones: Ex Tory minister.
Johnathan Gillis: Ex Tory minister.
Malcom Offord: Ex Tory minister.
Danny Kruger: Ex Tory MP.
Lucy Allen: Ex Tory MP.
Anne Marie Morris: Ex Tory MP.
Marco Longhi: Ex Tory MP.
Chris Green: Ex Tory MP.
Lia Nici: Ex Tory MP.
Ross Thompson: Ex Tory MP.
Andrea Jenkyns: Ex Tory MP.
Ben Bradley: Ex Tory MP.
Graham Simpson: Ex Tory MP.
Adam Holloway: Ex Tory MP.
Adrian Burley: Ex Tory MP. 
Alan Amos: Ex Tory MP.
Laila Cunningham: Ex Tory councillor.
Sarah Pochin: Ex Tory councillor 
David Bull: Ex Tory member.

100% of Reform UK 2025 LTD MP’s are ex Tory members.

67% or 616 out of 924 of Reform UK 2025 LTD councillors are ex Tories.

21 ex Tory MP’s have now defected to Reform UK 2025 LTD.

Everyone of these MP’s was in the Conservative government at some point over the last 14 years they were in power. Between them they ruined the economy, gave us austerity and made the average person worse off than any time before they came into power. At the same time we have more billionaires and food banks at any time in our history and that’s down to them.

Now they and Farage have the nerve to tell us they are here to fix the country as part of Reform UK 2025 LTD after they destroyed it as part of the Conservative government?

How stupid does Farage think people are?

Rumour has it Liz Truss has been approached to join Farages business venture, she would be a perfect fit after her disastrous budget that Farage said of and I quote: “The best Conservative budget since 1986.”
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sadoldgit

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16 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

No one will vote reform. People will walk up to the polling booth and vote for their usual colour of politics, I'm certain of that. 

I wouldn’t bank on it. I know a firm Remainer who voted for Brexit because he didn’t like Cameron and wanted to demonstrate his displeasure, thinking that Remain would win. We all know how that ended.

There can be no complacency and if people want to demonstrate their displeasure, spoil your vote, don’t give your protest vote to this shower.

Gloucester Saint

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Telegraph has a clip privately recorded of Bob at the Tory Conference breakouts saying that Reform couldn’t run a football 5-a-side outfit.

Expect more from the papers still loyal to the Conservatives who haven’t gone all in with Farage yet to leak out over the next few weeks.

Badenoch has done Bob and Nigel up like a (U)kipper today.

 

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Gloucester Saint

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3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I was going to say that I couldn’t see a Labour MP going over to Reform but then 30p Lee ended up there so who knows?

Anderson was a councillor in the East Mids not an MP. A Labour MP going straight to Reform would be a real long shot, not as long as Lib Dem to Reform or vice versa but close to it. David Owen nearly joined the Tories but would have gone Labour Minister-SDP-Alliance-Liberal-Tory to do it, and still couldn’t quite do it despite his growing Brexit views. That’s why all of the national level defections are from the Conservatives pretty much.

Badenoch must have been enjoying something strong and smiling - she had a great week not just with today but Zahawi was another trap she laid with the peerage begging which Farage fell straight into. Surprised Tice didn’t veto it but shows it’s a one man party. Bob has an ego as big as Nigel’s - I give it 12 months maximum.

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JohnnyShearer2.0

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8 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

No one will vote reform. People will walk up to the polling booth and vote for their usual colour of politics, I'm certain of that. 

I dunno and I'm not so confident. I have two friends, who are mid 40s.

One says Labour is screwing him over his business and thinks Reform will be positive for his bank balance. 

The other is a reasonable person who has seemingly fallen into the X rabbit hole. He now quotes me shitty things off X which I push back on. 

They normally vote Tory but I dont think they will this time.

whelk

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1 hour ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

I dunno and I'm not so confident. I have two friends, who are mid 40s.

One says Labour is screwing him over his business and thinks Reform will be positive for his bank balance. 

The other is a reasonable person who has seemingly fallen into the X rabbit hole. He now quotes me shitty things off X which I push back on. 

They normally vote Tory but I dont think they will this time.

Local elections in Hampshire in May. Will be interesting test although don’t see the council going the way of Kent

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1 hour ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

I dunno and I'm not so confident. I have two friends, who are mid 40s.

One says Labour is screwing him over his business and thinks Reform will be positive for his bank balance. 

The other is a reasonable person who has seemingly fallen into the X rabbit hole. He now quotes me shitty things off X which I push back on. 

They normally vote Tory but I dont think they will this time.

I know many people who see reform as the way to go. All former Tory voters.  They'll get votes, and if we had a GE tomorrow, I think they'd win by a distance. 

People are disillusioned by Labour, and the more they keep reminding the public how bad the Tories were, the more they're selling an alternative. 

The defections, I think, help Reform. Although they have tried to distance themselves from the Tories, people see them as an alternative, and almost a new reincarnation, and the defections play to that point. 

Let's see how things go in the locals, but I think anyone saying they won't get votes is just being wishful. 

Gloucester Saint

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27 minutes ago, egg said:

I know many people who see reform as the way to go. All former Tory voters.  They'll get votes, and if we had a GE tomorrow, I think they'd win by a distance. 

People are disillusioned by Labour, and the more they keep reminding the public how bad the Tories were, the more they're selling an alternative. 

The defections, I think, help Reform. Although they have tried to distance themselves from the Tories, people see them as an alternative, and almost a new reincarnation, and the defections play to that point. 

Let's see how things go in the locals, but I think anyone saying they won't get votes is just being wishful. 

On the other hand, the Tories own private polling shows that 25% of their members would vote Labour in a seat where the Tories can’t win but Reform is the main competitor to Labour and even more so the Lib Dem’s. Agree that there’s plenty of ex-Tories wanting an even hotter right wing curry loaded with Habaneros and Reform will get 100 seats+ there’s also a large ‘stop Farage at any costs’ tactical vote bloc building which has plenty of other current and ex-Tories in it. None of the polls despite the hyperbole have really convinced me that Reform gets over 326 seats on their own. 

It won’t help Labour’s own tally as people will also switch Lib Dem and Green but between the parties there’s enough to keep Farage out. They’ll still get around 200 though maybe more if the economic upturn can sustain and no way Starmer is leader by the next GE. Lib-Lab coalition or Lib-Con vote by vote minority. 

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whelk

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10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I’m tempted to vote for reform just because of the reaction on here 

I for one will never put a smiley emoji on any of your posts ever again

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Holmes_and_Watson

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1 minute ago, whelk said:

I for one will never put a smiley emoji on any of your posts ever again

A threat level Trump can only dream of. 

I voted tactically last time. But if I go through the manifestos (for what they're worth), I'd be surprised to see enough weight and thought in Reform. I'd be looking for more than surface fluff before taking them seriously. I would find out though, as the others have been so poor. I can see lots of ego clashes between Farage and everyone else, before I can see solid policy making.

With this labour government, it's been the bonus policies of assisted dying and ID cards that have been a turn off. Everyone expected them to have the tension between Starmer's (say anything to get elected from the centre) and the very left (that he couldn't purge in time). You know what you're getting.

But it's made them dysfunctional. The core launches ideas without consulting their own party, send out defenders of it, only to swiftly back track. All while trying to react to reform.

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tdmickey3

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15 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I will probably vote Liberal Democrat. 

Yep me too but its almost no chance they will get in except by coalition

Be good to have a poll on here to see how the vote would go

Turkish

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7 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Yep me too but its almost no chance they will get in except by coalition

Be good to have a poll on here to see how the vote would go

That won’t really tell us anything as most people who post on here are woke, lefties cunts. What it will do is enable us to see SOG have an absolute meltdown because Reform will get a couple of votes so probably worth doing for that reason alone.

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