The Reform Thread

[whelk]

9 hours ago, The Kraken said:

At least say it out loud as to why, Ian

Because they will go after nurses pensions 

[Farmer Saint]

9 hours ago, iansums said:

This is an even better post, outright indignation followed by comedy genius.

Not sure indignation is the correct word there, no anger involved.

I assume you don't want to have a go at telling us which one of them you like?

Edited yesterday at 07:34 by Farmer Saint

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

With the Conservative right wing membership and those who left that party as they felt it wasn’t right wing enough, certainly. And he’s miles better than Braverman or any of the other defectors, or indeed Farage or Tice. But he’s as ambitious and ruthless as Boris was in a party one man likes to call his castle, however much Farage realises he needs to build a front bench and plenty disliked him in the Tory party, including some on the right as well who saw an opportunist right winger compared to Braverman, Patel and others who they viewed as instinctive. It’ll be a bumpy ride and his intention is clear - bring the parties together with him as leader which plenty on both sides don’t want. 
Outside of the Tory right, he struggles with centrist voters and his southern gazumping estate agent image allied to the stench of planning related corruption allegations will deter ex-Labour potential Reform switchers in the Midlands and North. Boris could unlock those voters, Farage could unlock some, but I don’t think Bob has the same pulling power. But he could win them seats in the SE, East and SW. 

Sure but there's advantages and disadvantages to having him vs not having him. Imo I can see why those at the top of reform think that the advantages would outweigh the disadvantages and tbh I would agree with them. You've said yourself he's miles better than most of the others. Long way till the election but I reckon Jenrick attracts more votes than he repels personally.

[Winnersaint]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Because they will go after nurses pensions 

And teachers etc, they can fuck right off. They're not having my 'gold plated' pension. 

[rallyboy]

Jenrick might bring in support, unlike Suella who has probably knocked a few thousand off the Reform fanbase - seeing her circus act yesterday reminded me of those Boris cabinet yes-men and women who would spout literally any old lies, just to harvest votes from the thick.

The Conservative party looks less hateful and more palatable than it did yesterday morning.

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

The only reason I would not vote Reform is Farage himself. I think they need a new leader. Not sure if Jenrick would be the man for the job and would rather it was Zia Yusuf myself. But under Farage I could not vote for them. If there was an election right now I have no idea at all who I would vote for. Labour and Tory, absolutely no way.

It will be these lot, just admit it, you fit right in

The Official Monster Raving Loony Party – Vote For Insanity

 

[iansums]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Not sure indignation is the correct word there, no anger involved.

I assume you don't want to have a go at telling us which one of them you like?

Not a fan of either to be honest in terms of their personalities and records. There are some politicians you warm to and others that grate on you, across the whole political spectrum. I've mentioned before that I admire Streeting and Mahmood for instance.

[Farmer Saint]

25 minutes ago, iansums said:

Not a fan of either to be honest in terms of their personalities and records. There are some politicians you warm to and others that grate on you, across the whole political spectrum. I've mentioned before that I admire Streeting and Mahmood for instance.

Not sure why you've taken so much umbridge with what I said then.

Edited yesterday at 09:30 by Farmer Saint

[iansums]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Not sure why you've taken so much umbridge with what I said then.

I didn’t, just thought it amusing so thought I would mock your posts. I guess  I should have added a smiley emoji 🙂 

[Jeremy Corbyn]

2 hours ago, rallyboy said:

Jenrick might bring in support, unlike Suella who has probably knocked a few thousand off the Reform fanbase - seeing her circus act yesterday reminded me of those Boris cabinet yes-men and women who would spout literally any old lies, just to harvest votes from the thick.

The Conservative party looks less hateful and more palatable than it did yesterday morning.

a good couple of weeks for Kemi I think, handled the Jenrick departure authorititively, lost some waster MPs and been more likeable doing the circuit.  They're obviously a long way from government but they'll improve if they quietly develop back in to the safe and calm party whilst reform and labour make all the noise.

[rallyboy]

Tories just need to offload Philp, Holden and one or two other lunatics and they'll look normal again.

[Farmer Saint]

31 minutes ago, iansums said:

I didn’t, just thought it amusing so thought I would mock your posts. I guess  I should have added a smiley emoji 🙂 

Hmmm, how odd. Not sure your "mocking" ended up how you envisaged it.

Edited yesterday at 11:45 by Farmer Saint

[sadoldgit]

There are people on social media in this country saying they think that Trump is doing a great job and that we need ICE on the streets over here.

They have actually watched the videos and think we should have some of that over here. 

We live in strange times.
 

[iansums]

10 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

There are people on social media in this country saying they think that Trump is doing a great job and that we need ICE on the streets over here.

They have actually watched the videos and think we should have some of that over here. 

We live in strange times.
 

Have to agree with you on that

[tdmickey3]

Duck will be pleased 

[spyinthesky]

Seems that India and the EU have agreed a big trade deal.
I wonder what Nige and his Brexit followers make of this?

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

Seems that India and the EU have agreed a big trade deal.
I wonder what Nige and his Brexit followers make of this?

Our deal will be biggerer and betterer once we get the Government the country deserves.

Edited yesterday at 13:03 by badgerx16

[mickn]

4 hours ago, rallyboy said:

Tories just need to offload Philp, Holden and one or two other lunatics and they'll look normal again.

Philip is one of the most detestable politicians in any of the parties. 

[Sir Ralph]

It’s amusing that an unelected party who has never been in power is getting more grief on this forum than the current government. 

Edited 23 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

8 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

It’s amusing that an unelected party who has never been in power is getting more grief on this forum than the current government. 

This is the REFORM thread. There is a perfectly serviceable STARMER thread elsewhere.

[whelk]

9 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

It’s amusing that an unelected party who has never been in power is getting more grief on this forum than the current government. 

Echo chamber blah blah blah echo chamber, taxes arrgghhh taxes, Dubai, Dubai

[LVSaint]

Copying a Whitehouse Trump AI image without really thinking about it...and introducing a lot of obvious unwanted apocalyptic connotations into the mix....(although I like the idea of freeing penguins from London Zoo) Morons...

[Patrick Bateman]

3 hours ago, LVSaint said:

Copying a Whitehouse Trump AI image without really thinking about it...and introducing a lot of obvious unwanted apocalyptic connotations into the mix....(although I like the idea of freeing penguins from London Zoo) Morons...

This is abysmal, what a shower that party is.

[badgerx16]

11 hours ago, LVSaint said:

Copying a Whitehouse Trump AI image without really thinking about it...and introducing a lot of obvious unwanted apocalyptic connotations into the mix....(although I like the idea of freeing penguins from London Zoo) Morons...

From the Indy;

Journalist and author Oliver Kamm wrote: “I may be wrong but I suspect the instinctive obeisance given by Reform UK to a thuggish, seditious, repressive, violent, imperialist, kleptocratic, corrupt, xenophobic & ferociously misogynistic US administration will not prove an electoral advantage.”

[whelk]

22 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

From the Indy;

Journalist and author Oliver Kamm wrote: “I may be wrong but I suspect the instinctive obeisance given by Reform UK to a thuggish, seditious, repressive, violent, imperialist, kleptocratic, corrupt, xenophobic & ferociously misogynistic US administration will not prove an electoral advantage.”

Said before I have faith that the British have a better sense of fair play than the Americans and won’t warm to a bully. This maybe naive but these lot can have surges but there is a decent proportion of voters that see them for what they are. I mean you couldn’t collect a bigger load of cunts from the Tories than the last three to join. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Said before I have faith that the British have a better sense of fair play than the Americans and won’t warm to a bully. This maybe naive but these lot can have surges but there is a decent proportion of voters that see them for what they are. I mean you couldn’t collect a bigger load of cunts from the Tories than the last three to join. 

I remember thinking the same when Boris got the top job. His popularity and personality easily overcame a life of lying, back stabbing and grifting. I can't recall how many of the New Reformers were also tainting his government.

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

From the Indy;

Journalist and author Oliver Kamm wrote: “I may be wrong but I suspect the instinctive obeisance given by Reform UK to a thuggish, seditious, repressive, violent, imperialist, kleptocratic, corrupt, xenophobic & ferociously misogynistic US administration will not prove an electoral advantage.”

I wouldn’t be so sure. From what I have read there are plenty of people here who think that what Trump is doing in the US is fine and want that here. Add in those of the hard of thinking who will just take Farage’s soundbites at face value and we could end up with him as PM. 
The American’s elected Trump for a second term. Anything is possible!

[hypochondriac]

5 hours ago, whelk said:

Said before I have faith that the British have a better sense of fair play than the Americans and won’t warm to a bully. This maybe naive but these lot can have surges but there is a decent proportion of voters that see them for what they are. I mean you couldn’t collect a bigger load of cunts from the Tories than the last three to join. 

If you could choose who are you wanting as the next party in government in a few years?

[iansums]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I wouldn’t be so sure. From what I have read there are plenty of people here who think that what Trump is doing in the US is fine and want that here. Add in those of the hard of thinking who will just take Farage’s soundbites at face value and we could end up with him as PM. 
The American’s elected Trump for a second term. Anything is possible!

I think Trump words and actions over the past few weeks may have changed that to an extent.

[whelk]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

If you could choose who are you wanting as the next party in government in a few years?

I don’t honestly know. Reform I detest so not them. Greens are just mental. Tories - currently a disaster with no heavyweights but if shedding the ERG nutters then become slightly more palatable. LibDems bit too drippy for me. And then Labour who despite what you may think I have no real love for although respect their sense of often wanting to be fair, but many of their MPs are not in the real world. I like Streeting as seems reasonably principled and willing to acknowledge problems. I don’t hate Starmer like many do but hard to manage that party with so many lefties who are willing to disrupt and not accept pragmatism of having to govern, and he doesn’t seem to be managing it that well. Being the incumbent isn’t easy for anyone with the state of the world as it is though. But if had to give an answer would probably still just be Labour. 

[whelk]

The laughing paedo lurks

[hypochondriac]

18 minutes ago, whelk said:

I don’t honestly know. Reform I detest so not them. Greens are just mental. Tories - currently a disaster with no heavyweights but if shedding the ERG nutters then become slightly more palatable. LibDems bit too drippy for me. And then Labour who despite what you may think I have no real love for although respect their sense of often wanting to be fair, but many of their MPs are not in the real world. I like Streeting as seems reasonably principled and willing to acknowledge problems. I don’t hate Starmer like many do but hard to manage that party with so many lefties who are willing to disrupt and not accept pragmatism of having to govern, and he doesn’t seem to be managing it that well. Being the incumbent isn’t easy for anyone with the state of the world as it is though. But if had to give an answer would probably still just be Labour. 

Cheers for the honest answer. I agree there isn't really any party that doesn't come with significant downsides. Lib Dem are a joke party and I would never vote for them again, having previously done so at a general election. 

[hypochondriac]

52 minutes ago, whelk said:

I don’t honestly know. Reform I detest so not them. Greens are just mental. Tories - currently a disaster with no heavyweights but if shedding the ERG nutters then become slightly more palatable. LibDems bit too drippy for me. And then Labour who despite what you may think I have no real love for although respect their sense of often wanting to be fair, but many of their MPs are not in the real world. I like Streeting as seems reasonably principled and willing to acknowledge problems. I don’t hate Starmer like many do but hard to manage that party with so many lefties who are willing to disrupt and not accept pragmatism of having to govern, and he doesn’t seem to be managing it that well. Being the incumbent isn’t easy for anyone with the state of the world as it is though. But if had to give an answer would probably still just be Labour. 

Unfortunately with Labour and especially Starmer there are just some things I am ideologically opposed to that mean I could never vote for them in a general election. Trying to ram through the terribly flawed assisted suicide Bill, the tendency for big government, politics of envy penalising richer people often for very little benefit, this Chagos deal makes no sense to me even though I knew nothing about it prior to it being reported, scrapping jury trials is horrifying both left and right, I hate the concept of digital ID that Blair keeps trying to push through because of it being ripe for abuse and farmers inheritance tax was idiotic. Added to that all the minor stuff when they came in promising that the adults were back and that grubby politicians doing dodgy deals for stuff was over. I'm not sure how I could ever vote for that stuff-particularly under Starmer.

Edited 17 minutes ago by hypochondriac